All 4 cameras compare equally in RAW. Glad you waited and whined for months, ricohians?
kodak is now like polaroid: a name to pay for to slap on your product. I've seen polaroid laptops! LOL!
Frank_BR: That sensitivity of ISO 409600 is real?
If you download the test pictures, you'll find that the EXIF data for exposure ISO 100 and 409600 are respectively:
F5.6 1/50s F16 1/8000s
Doing some calculations, it is easy to see that the settings for ISO 409600 gave an exposure 1280x smaller than for ISO 100. This means the actual ISO sensitivity was 128000, and not 409600!
Is Nikon cheating here?
Maybe that setting has reciprocity effect that causes 2 extra stops of exposure to be used.
szak1352: Okay, we've got a new peak with the ISO 409600. That's marketing.
It's more important that I can see no difference between the D4 and D4s RAW performance. They're basically identical, which is good news. D4 was and is an excellent performer.
I like the JPG output on the D4s better though...
that's apparently all that is different on the d4s - the JPG output.
NikonUser2013: I saw the new D4S at the local Photo show at Birmingham. It is FAR superior to any any that Canon , Olympus etc have on the market. The build quality is excellent to say the least. Very impressive
Wow, you could tell that from looking at it? "far" superior is an extremely bold statement. The 1D X is built like a tank too, dude.
Ronald1959: Honestly? I am not impressed at all. I hope not for the nikon guys that nikon will replace this one over 4 years.
no, they've been refreshing their pro model line at the mid point of their replacement cycle, i.e. 2 years after the initial launch, e.g. d3, d3s, d4, d4s.
Mikael Risedal: Who beats who regarding high iso?You can not compare for example Canon 6D and D4s and high iso, Canon are here at Dpreview exposed after 1/3200sec F 5,6 and Nikon are exposed 1/8000sec F5,6 and 24600 iso. A major difference.
DPR has stated they go after a consistent image result/exposure not using exact settings on every camera. Not all lenses perform exactly the same nor is ISO 800 identical on every brand or even between models within the same brand!
After all, when you take pictures you go for an exposure not going out to shoot at f/2.8 1/400 and ISO 400 and 3200 and see "what happens" now do you?!
No difference form d4 to d4s in RAW, but the d4s is better at JPG at very high ISO. Worth paying for the d4s if you have a d4 or d3s? No.
RedFox88: Does this mean you will actually review it or just make studio comparison photos?
I simply asked a question, I did not ask for tbk's snide remarks.
Does this mean you will actually review it or just make studio comparison photos?
thx1138: Wow, Barney you really let them off the hook with that first question. The answer was insipid and you should have highlighted the fact that the weaknesses are in the lack of sensor development for going on 7 years. From clear leaders to clear trailers. Of course the sensors are still good, but they are not great except for high ISO noise. You could have at least pressed them harder on how they will face the challenge not only from Sony, but Toshiba and Fuji. And FWIW, I am a Canon person through and through, but would dearly love to see a sensor like the Sony 36MP in a 5D IV. Also don't forget even if Canon can match the current Sony sensors, by that time Sony will probably have moved ahead again with their next gen sensor.
Since all the camera companies are Japanese, maybe DPR should consider learning or seeing if your next hires can also speak Japenese to easier get your interviews done?
Horshack: Canon denied they've been spending more time innovating video technology instead of stills, citing the development of their dual-pixel technology as proof...a technology used primarily for video on the 70D :)
That said, their dual-pixel tech is very cool and should play a more prominent role in stills AF for future generation bodies.
Dude, ever hear of live view?! Dual pixel is also autofocus for live view and the 70D and lesser cameras now have touch screens. Plus the interview states USA customers are asking for more video and he mentioned a merger of tasks in the same camera. So users of dSLRs seem to be more than the whiners on DPR!
RedFox88: This is similar to Canon announcing free mirror fortification on 5D models 6 months after the 5D2 came out even though it had been an issue for some units for a couple of years. Had to wait until the new model is out and some owners put down the old model having bought the new model to minimize their costs. It's a business.
you could still probably have your 5D mirror fortified for free. Contact Canon. And contrary to what many say on here, digital SLRs are not disposable these days. A $225 shutter replacement is a lot cheaper than a $900 or $1300 new camera.
This is similar to Canon announcing free mirror fortification on 5D models 6 months after the 5D2 came out even though it had been an issue for some units for a couple of years. Had to wait until the new model is out and some owners put down the old model having bought the new model to minimize their costs. It's a business.
It's sad that cameras in phones have done away with many P&S cameras because the phone pics are worse in part due to no optical zoom. So many pictures of kids far away in the photos along with poor color balance and exposure due to Apple's lack of photographic controls on their phones.
Chris Yates: If Canon put out a phenomenal no holds barred mirrorless, I betcha they wouldn't be in this situation. Period. No brainer.Otherwise, camera sales as such have long plateaud and have been on a decline for some time.
So you volunteered to pay a premium for a camera with a dial and expensive lenses. Good for you.
Shamael: Keep selling the mirrorless bodies to dumping prices, overprice the good DSLR bodies and keep making lenses at prices no one wants to pay anymore and the market will collapse sooner or later. Let's see Sony as an example, good cameras, like A7 or a6000, sell at dumping prices. If you want the next better lens for it, it's right away 800$, if you want a top fast prime in the f1.8 or 1.4 range you end between 1400 to 2000$. Those companies forget that the whole world is in a crisis and 90% of the world population do not belong to those that have money like hay. We see at what level Hasselblad fights and what profits they do. Some companies like Leica might look good, but behind the scene it is much different, Leica fights with bankruptcy since many years and the future will bring us more and more simple cameras with AF and lower prices. You can not survive with top luxury overpriced stuff forever. On the end, what makes the market? Low and mid range DSLR's only, but is that enough?
Dude, not sure where you are looking for your info. Cameras aren't replaced every 8 months. Canon has slowed it's SLR offerings with cameras lasting for 2 years instead of 18 months and the 7D that is now over 4 years old I believe. nikon on the other hand seems to be replacing SLR more frequently, namely the d3000's, d5000's, and a rumor that a d7200 is coming this year.
nicolaiecostel: People got lazy and manufacturers got gready. 10 years ago everyone was raving about DSLR's, lenses and such. Websites like photo.net were swarming with users, in the milions.Now everyone just casually snaps something with the smartphone and uploads on facebook. And the manufactureres got greeady, in their tech showdown made cameras and lenses more and more expensive to the point where the amateur doesn't buy anymore, and even the pros find it hard to justify the amount. Just look at the PC market, it tumbled, everyone just buys a laptop and gets done with it.
The D800 is 500$ more expensive than the D700, the 5Dmk3 the same compared to the 5Dmk2, and so on. Also, cameras got so good, sensors are so great that you can just stick with them for years. The market is going towards a technological saturation, where it's hard to see the update and the old gear is simply good enough. I stil shoot with my D700, and will be doing for years to come just because it's all the camera I need.
Sorry, wrong. The d800 was the same price as the d700: $3000
Funny thing, on Canon USA's webpage about the G1 X II I watched a video about continuous shooting (burst) and the video is for the G16. They showed a guy holding a Powershot camera up to his eye to operate the camera... but the G1 X II has no OVF. Obviously they don't have all the marketing materials finalized for this.
If this was available 18 months ago I probably would have bought it instead of the G15.
Jogger: Much much better option than the Pana GH4 where you need an ext recorder to get prores. The only thing missing is 12V power and XLR input, but, the GH4 doesnt have that either.
no, 32k is the real thing. No 128k is the real thing....