people need to understand that cameras like the D700,D3,D3s and this are drugs. The main appeal is the monstrous, light-sucking sensor. Nothing else gives this kind of performance for a relatively accessible price.
Just wait for the D800S if you guys want it at a more sane price.
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Posted on Jan 6, 2012 at 17:54:28 UTC
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Retro Joe: Looks great but for the price you can get yourself(or many other high end camera combos for that matter...this is just one example to illustrate the overpricing by Nikon):
Unless you specifically require the improvements, what's the point in buying? The one thing I will say in its favor, high end cameras today are holding their value better and longer as the tech improvements have slowed dramatically in past few years.
thats the same as saying that you could afford more than 50 canon A1500 powershots. Nikon doesn't really overprice considering the D700 exists with a similar sensor to the D3s (which you conveniently ignored).
You're comparing a bodies made of normal materials versus higher end qc + much more expensive materials.
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Posted on Jan 6, 2012 at 17:44:12 UTC
I hope they implement wifi on the NX20. That would have so many practical implications that would make the camera so much more useful than just a piece of equipment by itself.
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lifelibertyproperty: This is such a stooped article! No love for Rokinon/Samyang 85mm f/1.4?! BIAS ALERT! At $280 (seen as low as $240 in last few months) that lens is a bargain compared to the ones listed above. Also, the 35mm f/1.4 ain't bad for $500-600.
If you read the article, they made a mention to those lenses.
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Posted on Nov 22, 2011 at 05:04:34 UTC
NetMage: I think the Samyang lenses should mention they are manual aperture as well as focus - MF doesn't bother me too much, but I'm not interested in manual aperture as well. Definitely a con for me.
That is not the case with the pentax, sony alpha, and Nikon mount lenses; those ones have auto aperture, with the option of manual aperture.
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Posted on Nov 22, 2011 at 05:02:09 UTC
That noise pattern is very different to the some of the samples that we've seen on the forums. this looks like it was shot with a preproduction firmware? RAWs please :)
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Although everything isn't about noise performance, I find it somewhat astounding that the RAW noise level of this camera is outright the worst even at base sensitivities even when compared to old CSCs like the NX100. And the resizing theory does not really hold that well as programs don't know what to bin as noise.
Everything else about the camera is good however, but I'd love to see a better sensor inside it; possibly a camera thats more focused on image quality than features which alter, but not really improve the shooting experience.
Landscape photographers will be very happy with this though.
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Kenneth Margulies: I see a lot of negative comments, and am disappointed that people who like photography would not be supportive of a totally new way to take pictures. This is a new technology that is still first generation. Isn't the potential of this technology of interest to anyone? It's like film photographers, when looking at early digital cameras, saying that the digital technology is just for gadget freaks. This is cool and it could have a decent future...
photographers are full of pride/ego usually; they don't like it when something else can do more than what they have.
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I don't know how people can go 'this isn't for people who want to create art' here. Being able to have whatever you want in/focus/out of focus surely would let you do something like multiple shallow depth of fields within a single image; is this not creative/arty?
We haven't been able to do such 'focus bracketing' within one shot before.
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Posted on Oct 20, 2011 at 01:36:05 UTC
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Carol Stee: The Nikon V1 costs $200 to $300 more than the 'peers' it is compared with. With a kit zoom the prices are: Nikon V1 $899 Panasonic GF3 $599 Sony NEX-C3 $649 Olympus E-PL3 $699 It can't compete with similarly priced cameras: Olympus E-P3 $899 Panasonic GH2 $999 Nikon D5100 $899 Canon T3i $899 Or even cameras costing $200 less: Sony NEX-5N $699 Panasonic G3 $699 Which shows that it is ridiculously overpriced.
and you forgot about the samsung NX which cost under $500. And still outperform it.
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Posted on Oct 17, 2011 at 00:33:04 UTC
people need to understand that cameras like the D700,D3,D3s and this are drugs. The main appeal is the monstrous, light-sucking sensor. Nothing else gives this kind of performance for a relatively accessible price.
Just wait for the D800S if you guys want it at a more sane price.
Retro Joe: Looks great but for the price you can get yourself(or many other high end camera combos for that matter...this is just one example to illustrate the overpricing by Nikon):
1.D7000 $1199
2. 5D MkII $2299
3. K5 $1099
4. a77 $1399
Unless you specifically require the improvements, what's the point in buying? The one thing I will say in its favor, high end cameras today are holding their value better and longer as the tech improvements have slowed dramatically in past few years.
thats the same as saying that you could afford more than 50 canon A1500 powershots. Nikon doesn't really overprice considering the D700 exists with a similar sensor to the D3s (which you conveniently ignored).
You're comparing a bodies made of normal materials versus higher end qc + much more expensive materials.
flood much?
I hope they implement wifi on the NX20. That would have so many practical implications that would make the camera so much more useful than just a piece of equipment by itself.
OSAM: Where are my SBs?
SBs come nowhere close to these studio flashes...
Like the NX200, when will we see the NEX7 review?
Zebooka: Will Samyang ever produce such lens for FX format?
I wanna fish-eye with stereographic projection like this one.
they have a full frame 14mm f2.8 fisheye
lifelibertyproperty: This is such a stooped article! No love for Rokinon/Samyang 85mm f/1.4?! BIAS ALERT! At $280 (seen as low as $240 in last few months) that lens is a bargain compared to the ones listed above. Also, the 35mm f/1.4 ain't bad for $500-600.
If you read the article, they made a mention to those lenses.
NetMage: I think the Samyang lenses should mention they are manual aperture as well as focus - MF doesn't bother me too much, but I'm not interested in manual aperture as well. Definitely a con for me.
That is not the case with the pentax, sony alpha, and Nikon mount lenses; those ones have auto aperture, with the option of manual aperture.
You guys should probably have a check of samyang's 35 1.4; the premium lens killer :)
Is it just me or are panasonic carrying the m43 platform themselves these days?
Nice, this basically makes it their first EVIL camera.
That noise pattern is very different to the some of the samples that we've seen on the forums. this looks like it was shot with a preproduction firmware? RAWs please :)
Why isn't there a report from the samsung stand?
This would be awfully unbalanced given how light a S2 body is...
A S2 for street photography? You guys must be nuts; this thing's only for studio work.
Although everything isn't about noise performance, I find it somewhat astounding that the RAW noise level of this camera is outright the worst even at base sensitivities even when compared to old CSCs like the NX100. And the resizing theory does not really hold that well as programs don't know what to bin as noise.
Everything else about the camera is good however, but I'd love to see a better sensor inside it; possibly a camera thats more focused on image quality than features which alter, but not really improve the shooting experience.
Landscape photographers will be very happy with this though.
Kenneth Margulies: I see a lot of negative comments, and am disappointed that people who like photography would not be supportive of a totally new way to take pictures. This is a new technology that is still first generation. Isn't the potential of this technology of interest to anyone? It's like film photographers, when looking at early digital cameras, saying that the digital technology is just for gadget freaks. This is cool and it could have a decent future...
photographers are full of pride/ego usually; they don't like it when something else can do more than what they have.
I don't know how people can go 'this isn't for people who want to create art' here. Being able to have whatever you want in/focus/out of focus surely would let you do something like multiple shallow depth of fields within a single image; is this not creative/arty?
We haven't been able to do such 'focus bracketing' within one shot before.
Carol Stee: The Nikon V1 costs $200 to $300 more than the 'peers' it is compared with. With a kit zoom the prices are:
Nikon V1 $899
Panasonic GF3 $599
Sony NEX-C3 $649
Olympus E-PL3 $699
It can't compete with similarly priced cameras:
Olympus E-P3 $899
Panasonic GH2 $999
Nikon D5100 $899
Canon T3i $899
Or even cameras costing $200 less:
Sony NEX-5N $699
Panasonic G3 $699
Which shows that it is ridiculously overpriced.
and you forgot about the samsung NX which cost under $500. And still outperform it.
one of the best uses of HDR....