does this mean we will have lens reviews as well soon? Yes please.
Rachotilko: Hey, for $469 you can get this: http://www.dpreview.com/products/sigma/lenses/sigma_17-50_2p8_os
It seems digital photography's golden times are over:
Some 4-7 years ago it was possible to buy P&S compact cameras with excellent optics and 1/1.6" sized sensors for reasonable price. DSLRs were expensive, sure, but their prices descended constantly.
Then the 2008 came, and P&S compacts started their descent into the hell of disposability with a complete disregard of any decency optics-wise (too much of a decentered lens lottery) and the crazy MP and MZ races.
As I am not keen on mirrors (& resulting bulk), so my hope was named "mirrorless". I also hoped mirrorless stuff gets cheaper over time, basically replacing both DSLR's and small sensored compacts. But the opposite happened with mirrorless equipment prices rising each new generation.
Nowadays, the only option for me is a DSLR as the compacts turned rubbish, and mirrorlesses are offered for these exorbitant prices.
Are you aware that a 17-50 f2.8 on m43 is a completely different lens to a 12-35 f2.8...?
I'd beg to differ that the 'golden days are over'. We simply have choice now.
Cameras are only as disposable as the user makes them out to be and it seems your judgement is that the current crop of cameras are disposable.
De-centred lenses have always been a problem.
Riccardo IT: Too expensive.
too expensive when it outperforms more expensive camera. Cool.
Sony, just how many bodies do we need?
VipinJoshi: Finally, the Tilt LCD of A33 makes a comeback in the entry level model, the LCD Size & Resolution reduces though. Have been using the A57 for quite a while now and the low light High ISO JPEGs are mind boggling! They seem to outperform almost everything from Canon & Nikon, barring the Full Frames.
The icing on the cake is the SAM 18-135 bundle (across the range), making for a versatile kit at at amazing price. The (exceptional) EXMOR sensor finally gets a better lens to show its true colours (pun intended), as the 18-55 quality wasn't upto the sensor's potential.
Haven't been this surprised since i saw the Olympus OMD-E5 samples. The features set seems exactly the same as the (amazing) A57, which is a good thing. This one looks like a segment beater to me.
Lupti: Ok, I say take an ordinary DSLR, set it to B/W and take the same shots. I doubt that most people can distinguish them from the Leica shots if not told from what camera they are. Really. I also would go as far as taking an ordinary P&S with B/W mode and compare them with these.I don´t see the point of this camera aside from being a new toy for people with too much money. I also never understood what´s so great about the Leica system, the cameras and lenses cost megabucks for what reason? Handmade in Germany, a red dot? But the parts are so expensive there isn´t money anmyore for a higher resolution display? Okay...there are still too much people with too much money.And no, there is no envy at all.Now I think some people will tell me I´m trolling(I´m not) or that I don´t understand the special art of photographing with a Leica, but really, I couldn´t care less.
normally the leica argument does not hold. However forget this is even a leica for a second. It is a B+W camera, designed for massive dynamic range because of the lack of colour filter array (which causes light loss).
hermanofarias: I think there is some kind of demosicing. If you use dcraw to extract a B&W tiff file from the raw, of any dslr, without demosicing, at 1:1 view, you actually see the the pixels, and not a smooth image such the examples in the DPR preview.
The lens alone does most of the aliasing; most lenses will not be able to out-resolve this sensor.
bigdaddave: 1930's throwback intentionally crippled and they want how much for it?
If I ever see someone with one of these I will make sure I laugh at them
Petka, bigdadave, you guys need to learn what a bayer filter is, and what a photosite is as well. This is entirely different to post processing, think of it as an entirely different type of film.
It is NOT stupid. There are technical and objective reasons behind B&W versus colour.
It saddens me how not technical minded most people who use cameras are. I'm not even going to call them photographers.
A potentially better sensor but I have a feeling they deliberately cheaped out on the ADCs because at higher gain levels the sensor starts having hot pixels (ISO3200 onwards). This is crippleware.
I'm pretty sure the D5200 and D7100 will have the same sensor, but with enhanced ADCs to stop that kind of crosstalk from occuring.
Tape5: One of the greatest attributes of this site is that you can click on just about any article and find people discussing issues totally unrelated
Batteries …. Prejudice against Chinese workers Lenses…..nature vs nurture ISO sensitivity……psychosocial problems in Central AmericaTethering …..18th century German philosophy
It is funny.
This is certainly one of the best posts I've seen on this site.
sensor clearly outresolving the lens here. Still obscene amounts of detail!
topstuff: It's quite obvious that the sensor is Sony. To suggest otherwise is nonsense. It is totally illogical to imagine any other scenario, especially given the fact that Nikon have used Sony made sensors in the past.
But that is not the whole picture. Nikon will have their own processor and supporting tech architecture plumbed into the sensor. As a result, I think we can expect excellent IQ.
Nikon have already demonstrated with the D800 that they can make high MP sensors produce decent noise performance. The D800 is way too close to the 5D3 in noise performance than it should be considering it has 60% more pixels. The difference is not large. This means that the extra MP comes with little sacrifice in terms of noise.
Expect the cheap little D3200 to perform the same trick? Probably.
Well done Nikon.
Now over to you, Canon. What ya got ???
@lensberg, have you grabbed D800 files and downsized them to 22mpx? At the same resolution the 5d mk III is outclassed by the D800. Furthermore you have more control over how much detail you have at the same resolution at higher sensitivities.
for android please
thewhitehawk: It's a shame that the compact models don't seem to have as many manual controls as the Nex cameras, at least the Nex 7's. This seems more user-friendly oriented than enthusiast-oriented, it seems to be more in line with the Nex 5 or the Olympus Pen series.
They do look nice though. Not that it matters much to some photographers, but the construction quality and design seems to rival (or borrow heavily) from Sony's cameras, like Samsung usually does.
the NX200/210/1000 have more manual controls than most CSCs, especially the NEXs, bar the NEX7. :) Two dials.
magneto shot: just give it up samsung. stick to wifi compacts...
Why? When they're better equipped than their competitiors (micro four s***)
snake_b: I can't wait to see the shortcomings of these cams, likely unsolved and covered up with gadget features.
Arent I surprised its snake here.
Stop the libel.
thethirdcoast: The ISO range is pretty interesting to me. The standard range is 100-6400, with 12800 listed as the boost. That seems to indicate this 24 MP sensor may not be quite the high ISO monster that the 16 MP unit in the D5100 and D7000 is.
Personally, I have no idea what I'd do with 24 MP at this point. 12-16 are plenty for me to feel comfortable cropping if necessary. The size of the 24 MP RAWs is also likely to start taxing my laptop's ability to process them, and that's one item I'm not looking to upgrade at present.
I think that is just for market segmentation purposes, rather than being a true reflection of real performance. I'm sure oversampling will allow for noise to be brought down to a relatively similar level though.
snake_b: Wish they and Sigma would come up with weather resistant lenses.
"Moisture-resistant construction helps prevent water from penetrating the lens."
Jack A. Zucker: price is too close to canon. The IS feature won't be enough to cut into canon's sales IMO. At this focal length, IS is not as important. It needs to be $1k to tempt folks from canon's offering IMO unless canon discontinues the 24-70 2.8 MK I
pretty sure with the MK II the MK I will be discontinued.
Jon Stern: Looking at low and high ISO (raw) what impresses me is how good my 5D Mark II is.
I think I'll keep it!
That studio comparison says otherwise.