Looks like the RX1(R) doesn't get a look in anywhereStrangeAs it's the best compact
"Sharpness – The amount of fine detail visible in an image before it is compressed to 1/10th its original size to post online" - Classic
The finding on the A7 is confused. It seems that most of the A7 testing was carried out with the 28-70mm, which is unfair.If you look at the "imaging-resource" detailed review of A7 image quality, they find it exceeds every other 24mp and below FF model, except for the RX1(R).
bluevellet: Detail is impressive. High ISO is not so much; barely a stop better than APS-C and M43. I would have liked to check the A7 IQ too to see if the lesser pixel density/MP make a difference in high ISO.
But man, that Phase One image quality is completely in another league. :D
The ISO is excellent.At native 36mp it still beats the noise of many FF and all APS-C and smaller. Downsampled its king (along with D800(E) and RX1(R) )In line with the RX1, as Sony understands that advanced amateurs and professionals would prefer to decide on noise vs detail, they have taken out default noise control on the raw (as per Leica).On face value this can look like more noise, but in fact its more honest and far preferred. A flick of one slider in LR can get rid of noise if required.
srados: I do not own this camera and I agree there is review bias to some other brands.Sometimes DP is leaning to Fuji NIKON,Olympus cameras.I judge cameras by their picture quality and I do pixel peep.To my eye these sample images are comparable and better than Fuji...Fuji seem to me to be a hassle to operate with all mechanical failures (like stuck shutter leafs on some models unreliable WB and focusing). And this is all based from reviews and B&H and Amazon reviews as well...As I said I am not a troll, but I am trying to understand the sentiment of the testers and their preference towards cameras.All above brands,do pump up yellows and reds and maybe share similar sensors.
Fuji is one of the benchmarks for APS-cLook harder
Biowizard: I love the IDEA of an analogue-dial-controlled DSLR. But this looks unbelievably clunky. I bought an OM-1n back in1976, rather than a high-end Canon or Nikon, because it felt streamlined, sophisticated, and took amazing photos with what turned out to be some of the best glass available back then (the wonderful Zuiko primes). Nikon and Canon were making behemoths that weighed half a ton, and even got tennis players angry at Wombledon because of the noise and clatter they made (Olympus famously pushed out a full-spread ad for the OM-1 the day after Ilie Năstase flicked his towel at the photographers, with the slogan, "A camera quiet enough even for Romanian tennis players", or somesuch - but I digress).
The Df reminds me most of the Contax RTS III, which was a very bulky 35mm SLR, largely due to its "vacuum back" designed to suck film flat over the pressure plate. A body this size could reasonably contain a larger sensor than 35mm - medium format, mmm, now that would be tempting!
hey. Its great stories and anecdotes like yours which makes the pain of reading here worth it.Thanks for posting!
molnarcs: This forum has become unreadable. It's basically a troll fest, with overwhelming negativity. Any attempt at intelligent discussion is drowned in the noise. There is a more intelligent discussion of the new Nikon at Canonrumors (!) than here.
I wish dpreview had a feature where the user name could link to a portfolio. At least we could see who are actually photographers and who are just coach photographers - looks like the majority are the latter :-/
true Rob. M4/3s users are the most fanatical.Never understood this, perhaps to do with sensor envy ???
maybebut Nikon selling a camera at twice the price of the D610 with less functionality, no video, 16mp, no weight or bulk advantage and arguably uglier is a bit odd to say the least.Its a bit Hassleblady !!!! maybe they should have called it the Galaxian !!!!
Ok, twice the price, less pixels, same weight, less functionality then the D6xx.Good luck with this one Nikon.
meland: I stumbled onto this page. Can't remember quite how but I have to say I'm amazed. Amazed that so many have the time to be so angry about a thing that's just a tool for taking pictures. Well I thought that's what it was anyway but some might think otherwise on reading this stuff.Q: Is this more important than corrupt politicians salting away cash in offshore bank accounts? A: NoQ: Is this more important than the ice caps melting and polar bears getting too hot? A: No.Q: Is this more important than One Direction's favourite breakfast cereal? A: No.Some of you really, really need to get out more. If you don't like it, just don't buy it.
I believe everyone, including politicians, should be able to put money in offshore accounts.Polar bears are increasing in population (the greens don't tell you this) and will need to be culled.
Otherwise I agree with you, especially about one direction.
GAS and photography are different things.I suffer from both to be honest :)
I am struggling with the point of this body with this sensor.If I want a small sensor super zoom I'll get the excellent panasonic tx40 or the sony hx50. Extra controls for a sensor of this size makes hardly any difference.
The Sony RX10 is a neat compromise. Interested to actually hold one myself.
I think Canon should have thought about giving the capability to use these extra pixels in the picture. Extra AF speed in live view is nice but with the legacy mirror box it's not a camera I would use for live view work.
Zigadiboom: This is no doubt a solid camera. To put it into perspective it costs less than the Sony RX10 which is something I consider seriously overpriced despite being a good concept. Yet it is Canon and Nikon that are seemingly getting criticised left right and centre for everything they do.
I will agree however that it would have been nice if the 70D being an APSC had noticeably better image quality and high ISO performance than the best of what the M43s have to offer. But the gap has narrowed considerably making this camera still a good choice but a less decisive purchase than what it could have been.
That's more to do with the quality of its sensor vs the latest sony ones then the quality of M43s.A last generation APS-C sensor will only be marginally better then a current generation M43s sensor, just as in the APS-c vs ff equation, but a latest generation APS-c sensor will be substantially better.M43s doesn't really stand up to Fuji-x or even the Nex-7 in terms of dynamic range or low light sensitivity
jpr2: What I'd like to know very much is how much impact, and of what kind, will the last week release of the A7/A7r on the one hand, and a quite recent introduction of the a3000 on the other - both of which can be considered as exploration of some variants of a midget-DSLR theme - will have on the future of the NEX line of cameras? The NEX'en are going to be renamed to some other scheme - yes, we know that they will be called Alpha "something" now, but the exact naming scheme of that "something" is pretty much unknown, or at least pretty much unclear.
Specifically, would the future replacements/upgrades of NEX preserve the very small form factor of a tiny-brick design? And even more specifically - how about plans to expedite the release of upgrade for the two years old Nex-7? Will it have an much improved OSPDAF, capable to capture fast action/tracking at the pretty high rate of 10 FPS like the current one, but offering a reasonable keeper ratios for sports etc. very dynamic activities?
Sony will keep a body and lens line up for all budgets. Like other camera makers it will maintain an APS-C and FF line
olypan: By DavidKennard (11 hours ago)They need to get Zeiss designing some Contax G style lenses (assuming the sensor design is compatible with that design of lens). Maybe with their investment in Oly they could get some updates on the nice compact OM primes as well. No need for full frame lenses to be big.
Film SLR lenses did not require light to hit the film square on in the way digital sensors do. The light hitting the film edges did not cause too many problems. 35mm sensors have terrible problems with corners. The mount would need to be twice the diaganol sensor size to overcome this. Olympus came up with the 4/3 format precisely because of this, the largest sensor size and lens mount without impacting the corners.
Contax G was a rangefinder.I am sure the Zeiss lens designs for the A7 series will be optimised as much as possible for size and quality.The corner issue is only if the lenses are not designed for the sensor. For example, with the RX1(R) the rear element is designed to correct light for the micro lenses of the sensor.In addition the A7r has angled micro lenses, so might be better for legacy M mount lens.
whawha: These are really exciting cameras. Too bad the available lenses are so big and expensive, Sony really needs to get their act together with the lenses because they have a potential game changer here.An affordable 35 or 40mm pancake would be perfect for those bodies.
Actually the 35mm is pretty small. Especially for FF. The camera body is very small. It's a bit of an optical illusion with some of the lenses which are al smaller then the Nikon/Canon ones
DekHog: Pretty competetive pricing for the bodies but, jeez, $1000 for a 55mm F1.8? Hopefully Sigma will take this mount on soon...... lens range/price let Sony down every time.
Actually for good quality FF lenses the price is quite cheapYou might want to look at Leica, Zeiss or Canon L primes
Inexplicable scoring.Dpreview's own partner DXOmARK has Nex 7 (just about to be replaced) significantly better then EM5 on every score.Sure the Olympus sensor (now they are using sony) is better then previous versions, but the quality of picture is still far behind APS-c. I know, after editing both, the Nex pictures take far more battering in pp.It is simply misleading to say otherwise
schaki: Lol. Sony and their huge lenses..
the lenses are not bigthe camera is very small and the lenses are smaller then the DSLR ones
tablets are good for browsing, email, games and books/magazines but are no where near laptops for usefulness
Try to download one of your photo's from flickr and upload to another forum on a tablet and see what I mean.
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