Just looked at the two cameras in person the Sony looks and feels like Leica in quality versus the Panasonic.
I like Sony's aperture ring I use aperture shift a lot the way I think. The ND filter is a biggie to me too. I know their sweep panorama auto HDR and Twlight mode are benefits to me since I already use them.
My vacations are in tropical sites mostly, so Sony's weather seal is a big plus too.
It the Panasonic's autofocus is better and 400 telephoto make it a better "family cam" for kids stuff like soccer games it makes it really hard.
I have a good pocket cam (rx100) and ok DSLT (a55) so this would be move to move the DSLR out since this isn't a pocket cam
Any thoughts on the Panny's ability to shoot sports?
Curious did DP review update their Mano o Mano with Panasonic...? Their $500 price difference was not accurate from The get go and now does the fulcrum move towards Sony?
Both camera are cool...
Wow! That is remarkable....
white shadow: My first experience with Sony was when I bought a Sony P&S camera, the Sony DSC-V1 about 10 years ago. At that time, the V1 was about the best in the market, even beating Canon to it. The technology was ground breaking with night vision. It can take photos in complete darkness like what the army does. It was very useful for stalking animals in the dark. After a subsequent model, the V2, they discontinued it. One cannot see such a camera from Sony again.
Sony will innovate something "ground breaking" but will not follow through with it.
Often, they have good ideas but they are not so user friendly, like their menus in cameras.
Accessories like spare batteries are difficult to get.
After sales service is slow.
Products are often more expensive than the competitor. Laptops is a good example.
Until today, their DSLRs seems incomplete. That's the reason very few pros use Sony.
Cameras are made with novelty in mind that for real photography.
They could and should do better.
So you are a Sony hater.i see that, posting about a ten year old camera and blah, blah, blah. From my POV you are also very ignorant about Sony's current cameras.
Bruce W Roeser: Best pocket-sized Canon I've ever owned. Worth the price.
What pockets does it fit? Purseable, yes...my pockets on a 6 Foot frame don't accept cameras this size in any shirt pocket and only a few of my pants. The pant's pocket would lead to: is that a big camera in your pocket or you just excited to see me?
ijustloveshooting: 175 replies in a few hours? I think this tells something about G15, right? :)
Yes,it's more about the capricious DP reviews wars system than the camera.
Nice camera... However DP reviews is showing how out of touch they are...
ET2: DPR puts RX100 in a different class. They claim the scores are not comparable between different classes, but yet they mention RX100 everywhere in this review. Isn't that hilarious?
RX100 should have been in the same class as S110. These cameras are competing for the same market. Same buyers.
Putting RX100 in the same class as larger -- not pocketable -- big sensor p&s (such as G1X) or cameras with a fix lens primes like Fuji X100 was really really dumb.
Yeah, the inconsistency here is out of control. It's like sports officials with instant rep,ay and they still get it worong and come up with lame excuses.
Ditch the award system or make it more fair. Other sites are more consistent.
So DP review continues its inconsistent award system... Let's see, in the past week two Gold awards in the same category--almost pocketable zooms (Canon, Panasonic).
And when the camera that virtually professional reviewer says "the best pocket camera" they give a silver. Fine. Imaging resource reviews are better anyway. They emphasize print output and are consistent.
BTW: this negative comment is directed at the "poor officiating" here not at the camera. Enjoy your pursesable camera. Being a guy I'll stick to the best pocketable camera.
Sdaniella: Best of 2012?It's small size exacts too high a price in poor ergonomics for pocketability. as well as a small sensor packed w/ too much Mp exacts a price in poor IQ; that's a double compromise, just so one lugs less than a full dSLR in hopes of having good flexible IQ:
can't even keep up w/ the PowerShot G1X for IQ
You gotta be kidding... The G1X...focuses as slow as a snail, slow lens, no hand held HDR and WAY bigger.
Look if you are gonna cal someone elses baby ugl,y you shouldn't do it when your holding onto a baby that need a bag over its head ugly.
The RX100 is good enough that I will be leaving my dslr at home on my vacation. This will be the first time I havent brought at least two cameras (one big one pocket) on a vaction since I got into digital 10 years ago.
Right now, the RX is the pocket king.
I have an IPAD3 (bought by my company)... If I was buying a tablet I'd insist on usb and a card slot.
Apples refusal to have the above makes it a toy to me... A nice toy yes, but not what I need to operate in the business world w/o frustration. (On top of this, I'm NOT a fan of Itunes--I use it out of necessity.)
I hope MS Surface is excellent--that along w/ the driod tablets should make for a healthy competetion.
Hmmm. Fixed lens that's not especially fast--kind of wide but not a landscape wide. Definitely not a portrait lens.
...I hope they are OK with both the cameras they will sell.
I use Sony's in camera HDR on two different cameras...my experience is that going beyond + - 3 ev is risky past that on most shots it looks too flat. With post processing, I've kept a ccuple 4EV spreads. I'll try some vivid color space like the author used, this may keep things from looking flat,.
BTW: Sony's in camera HDR micro aligns the pics for all hand held shoots, WAY easier and nice results.
Notice how many posters have stated that their large camera is not getting much use anymore--that it is the ultimate complimant to the RX100. It doesn't match them but it's convienence to carry exceeds larger cameras better images/viewfinders/lenses/flash a lot of the time. f
I've seen owners of these cameras give it very high compliments:
Canon 5D, 7D,T2i, T3i, T4i Nikon D800, D5100, D7000, D4, V1 Sony A55/65/77 Panasonic G series and Olympus Pen Series.
We know a good camera when we buy one.
breivogel: The idea of a $600 camera in your jeans pocket is pretty dumb - unless you have too much money. The life span under such conditions is probably pretty low (be sure to get an extended warranty covering accidental damage!) I always use a case, even for small cameras.
They compromised so much usability to get a small footprint is rather disappointing. A LX7 with a similar sensor would be a killer.
Those who think that no viewfinder is no big deal, don't shoot outdoors in bright sunlight. The lack of decent macro, crippled (28mm vs 24mm) wide angle, no provision for filters (e.g. polarizers), limits this for serious outdoor photographers. The loose control wheel sounds like a real bother. Cab you can really operate this camera with gloves on.
Maybe the target market is DINKs taking snaps of their friends in dark restaurants.
Hopefully a more usable version will follow.
breivogel :Speak for yourself--You'll never know what a pocket camera can do because your too afaid to use one. My Canon S90 lived in pockets since the day it was released, it went everywhere: on boats, hiking... Never a problem. Iexpect the same out ot the RX. I shoot in bight sun all of the time--I live in Ca. and goes to Hawaii 1-2 times a year. I have a large camera too--but it gets used WAY less. The only DINK is the one whom projects his value set on others--that'd be you.
Well, the reivew was so late that it added little to what one already found out on the net. The bottom line of this being the best POCKETABLE camera is supported. I gues that it depends on your pocket (or purse) size. I live in California so a jacket is a 2 month of year thing at best, unless I go skiing or traveling--so I want the best camera that fits in a shirt or regular pants pocket. This camera hit a home run--WAY bette than the S90 it replaced.
Responsive, great output and features second to none.It's a fun camera to me--the memory funstions make it freindly. It allows my camera system to be kept in the closet 90% of the time-mostly for sports use.
Wish DPR would have an option to normalize image sizes in the comparision tools. E.G. We'll really know if a 20MP 1" sensor is better than a another sensor size with its MP if the images are the same size--at least as an option.
BTW: if you haven't used in camera HDR and sweep panorama then you are missing out on fun features.
Who makes the sensor? Nokia or another company??
Dougbm_2: Impressive. Maybe they should give up on phones and switch to cameras?
I can't belive DPR has so many haters... If this was listed as a great PS camera w/ HD video which also has a smart phone built in would that help?
I thin this is a true eveolutionary step and due to competition we'll all benefit.
thx1138: meh, I'm waiting for the 50x P520 with 22MP. They aren't pushing the envelope hard enough.
LOL! Agreed... No mater who stands at the urinal, this is the mines bigger winner.
tBTW: The ISO 1600 shots at full tele did resolve the difference between a barn and a goldfish.
Wow! A lens that exceeds the distance that a heat seeking missle can resolve.