Just looked at the two cameras in person the Sony looks and feels like Leica in quality versus the Panasonic.
I like Sony's aperture ring I use aperture shift a lot the way I think. The ND filter is a biggie to me too. I know their sweep panorama auto HDR and Twlight mode are benefits to me since I already use them.
My vacations are in tropical sites mostly, so Sony's weather seal is a big plus too.
It the Panasonic's autofocus is better and 400 telephoto make it a better "family cam" for kids stuff like soccer games it makes it really hard.
I have a good pocket cam (rx100) and ok DSLT (a55) so this would be move to move the DSLR out since this isn't a pocket cam
Any thoughts on the Panny's ability to shoot sports?
random78: At what focal lengths the maximum aperture on FZ1000 drops below f2.8? And specifically what is the maximum aperture for FZ1000 at 200mm?
Meh, I owned a couple highly touted panasonic bridge cameras (most recent fz 50).
Their 4/3 may be as good or better but I have way more apprehension from a Panasonic cameras than Sony. Little things like commonly used technology like panorama, HDR and multi frame noise reduction have in the past worked better on Sony.
Nikon used to take Sony tech and make better pegs in then same sensor... But they are in bed with Samsung too so Sony will hold back. Olympus noted for their great jpegs pre Sony may be a player. They can add to the party/competition.
IMO: Canon is slow moving toward innovation and relying on history. Yes, great pro cameras mostly from the lens lineup but consumer, blah.
aggressor: Nikon D3300 + Nikon 18-300 f/3.5-6.3, about 1000g total weight and about $1300 total price. Much better option, no?
No... The Nikon lacks key features... But still a good camera.
Check out how much a Nikon lens to match the Panny and Sony cost... Wait they don't offer one..
Sirandar: This little piece of current events so illustrates that camera pricing has very little for do with manufacture costs.
Did the cost to make a Sony RX10 drop 300$ overnight? The price of a camera is what the market will bear.... until you get close to the bottom.
As good in a first hand experience?
Curious did DP review update their Mano o Mano with Panasonic...? Their $500 price difference was not accurate from The get go and now does the fulcrum move towards Sony?
Both camera are cool...
Nukunukoo: Whoever does full sensor 4K for low-light performance and at 60P on a fixed aperture with uncompressed HDMI out and better than AVCHD codec on a bridge cam for less than a K gets my money!
Curious why 4K is such a big deal to you?
If you are thinking years ahead, then why a camera today?
Heck, Blue-ray hasn't really beat DVD yet... the incremantal gains are small... The key is what media providers stream.
I have not seen one 4K video other than a cloesed loop to sell the TV.
Can you confrim that the Panasonic had Hand held HDR, Twight mode and sweep panorama tha t match Sony? These feature are great; my last Panasonic the FX-50 was behind the 8 ball on these key features. No review to date investigates these parameters. My first hand experience needs updating...
specs are a start but take a few hand held twilights pics by Sony and a "religious": conversion may occur.
gskolenda: There is another feature that dp review is forgetting. The RX10 is weather proof, and the FZ1000 is not. I think Panasonic was betting that more people would want 4K video over the other features the RX10 has, that the FZ1000 dosen't.
I'm a video guy, and a Ziess lover! The RX10 lens just rocks!
Also, the 4k video that the FZ1000 is giving you is crap at 30fps. If I'm going to get a camera with 4K, it's going to have 60fps, and full sensor scanning. and Panasonic is not going to give you that because they would start to rob there GH4 sales. WHich is the Camera I'm getting, soon I hope.
So which of the two would you use in light rain?
I don't think (normal) people view this as a underwater camera but my experience with Sony weather resistance has been proven.
Steven Blackwood: This is a real conundrum. While most specs seem to favor the RX10, the absence of OSS seems a real oversight in a camera priced so high. I have a video at Vimeo that illustrates why this is important, esp. at telephoto.The camera used is a 70d with the 18-135 IS lens (which is pretty close to the 200 equiv. on the RX10. The video was originally made to illustrate what people with Nystagmus (wobbly eyes). The video is only 38 sec. long. Oh, and the video is handheld; obviously on a tripod the issue would be irrelevant.
******************************EDIT: Now I am confused. The specs fir the RX10 does say it has OSS but in the head to head video comparison, it seems to say it does not. Does this mean that OSS does not operate in video mode? If not, ny criticism remains. If it DOES operate, forget I said anything: RX10 wins on points (It does have an ND filter!)
I read that Sony has optical stabilization...
mark moe: I like that Sony is weather sealed... I like tropical vacations and rain is a factor. I like its ND feature a lot too.
The extra zoom of the Panasonic does mean as much as the above to me.
So how did some weather sealing in the above posters words become not significant...? For example, recent vacation hiking in a fantastic photo area but crazy off and on showers..
No sealing to me means leave the camera in the car. Sealing means take it. That's my standard.
I'm not a fanboy owned MANY products from both companies....
Sony has three camera features I use all the time:
1. Twilight mode: many shots a merged to reduce noise-- great2. sweep panorama -- easy and good results3. Hand held HDR-- awesome.
panasonic May equal or best these features now but-- I'd like to see proof. If they do, they cut Sony's lead or bested them.
These useful little things I use over and over are why my Sony cameras displaced my Panasonic and Canon cameras in the past.
I like that Sony is weather sealed... I like tropical vacations and rain is a factor. I like its ND feature a lot too.
Wow! That is remarkable....
white shadow: My first experience with Sony was when I bought a Sony P&S camera, the Sony DSC-V1 about 10 years ago. At that time, the V1 was about the best in the market, even beating Canon to it. The technology was ground breaking with night vision. It can take photos in complete darkness like what the army does. It was very useful for stalking animals in the dark. After a subsequent model, the V2, they discontinued it. One cannot see such a camera from Sony again.
Sony will innovate something "ground breaking" but will not follow through with it.
Often, they have good ideas but they are not so user friendly, like their menus in cameras.
Accessories like spare batteries are difficult to get.
After sales service is slow.
Products are often more expensive than the competitor. Laptops is a good example.
Until today, their DSLRs seems incomplete. That's the reason very few pros use Sony.
Cameras are made with novelty in mind that for real photography.
They could and should do better.
So you are a Sony hater.i see that, posting about a ten year old camera and blah, blah, blah. From my POV you are also very ignorant about Sony's current cameras.
Bruce W Roeser: Best pocket-sized Canon I've ever owned. Worth the price.
What pockets does it fit? Purseable, yes...my pockets on a 6 Foot frame don't accept cameras this size in any shirt pocket and only a few of my pants. The pant's pocket would lead to: is that a big camera in your pocket or you just excited to see me?
ijustloveshooting: 175 replies in a few hours? I think this tells something about G15, right? :)
Yes,it's more about the capricious DP reviews wars system than the camera.
Nice camera... However DP reviews is showing how out of touch they are...
ET2: DPR puts RX100 in a different class. They claim the scores are not comparable between different classes, but yet they mention RX100 everywhere in this review. Isn't that hilarious?
RX100 should have been in the same class as S110. These cameras are competing for the same market. Same buyers.
Putting RX100 in the same class as larger -- not pocketable -- big sensor p&s (such as G1X) or cameras with a fix lens primes like Fuji X100 was really really dumb.
Yeah, the inconsistency here is out of control. It's like sports officials with instant rep,ay and they still get it worong and come up with lame excuses.
Ditch the award system or make it more fair. Other sites are more consistent.
So DP review continues its inconsistent award system... Let's see, in the past week two Gold awards in the same category--almost pocketable zooms (Canon, Panasonic).
And when the camera that virtually professional reviewer says "the best pocket camera" they give a silver. Fine. Imaging resource reviews are better anyway. They emphasize print output and are consistent.
BTW: this negative comment is directed at the "poor officiating" here not at the camera. Enjoy your pursesable camera. Being a guy I'll stick to the best pocketable camera.
Sdaniella: Best of 2012?It's small size exacts too high a price in poor ergonomics for pocketability. as well as a small sensor packed w/ too much Mp exacts a price in poor IQ; that's a double compromise, just so one lugs less than a full dSLR in hopes of having good flexible IQ:
can't even keep up w/ the PowerShot G1X for IQ
You gotta be kidding... The G1X...focuses as slow as a snail, slow lens, no hand held HDR and WAY bigger.
Look if you are gonna cal someone elses baby ugl,y you shouldn't do it when your holding onto a baby that need a bag over its head ugly.
The RX100 is good enough that I will be leaving my dslr at home on my vacation. This will be the first time I havent brought at least two cameras (one big one pocket) on a vaction since I got into digital 10 years ago.
Right now, the RX is the pocket king.