TN Args: I have never seen such obfuscatory writing.
Try reading DuncanDovovan's comments.
Or, take a photo with a D810. Now take the exact same photo again, but before pressing the shutter, place a Four Thirds sized mask over the sensor. According to you, the SN ratio just went up due to random shot noise because only a quarter of the light was captured. Well it couldn't. It was the same exposure on the same sensor.
Trying to make the images the same size is YOUR assumption, and pointless, because it would actually make a lot of sense to buy a full frame camera if you want larger final images than previous practice. But they will only be of the same image quality, not higher.
@calocedrus: Note that printing images to the same size implies the same downscaling and its associated benefits.
Viewing two images at the same size on a monitor with good software that downscales properly, instead of just throwing away data, also implies downscaling with its associated benefits.
Viewing a higher MP larger image from a distance (whether printed or displayed with a monitor) so that it appears just as big as a lower MP version, also amounts to (optical) downscaling.
As a result, Richard's assumptions are appropriate even when concerning the physical world, as opposed to just applying to image processing.
Charlie Jin: So, instead of built-in flash, we get GPS.I would like to get both ;-) but if I have to choose either one of them... I'm not sure.... Perhaps I would choose a built-in flash that can control remote flashes - because if I really need GPS I always carry my smart phone which has a good selection of apps that can do that. But I don't carry flashes all the time. What would be your choice?
Carlos' point is that a measly pop-up flash is a mismatch for an expensive DSLR that is meant to be used to make good looking images.
Have you ever used the pop-up flash of a DSLR? If so, you should know that the result equals "no picture". It just looks bad.
If you accept this kind of picture then just use your smartphone to take your snap.
Your arguments all build on an "emergency" situation where one forgets a small radio receiver that fits in every pocket or camera bag, but one always, without fail, has one's smartphone to do everything that a built-in GPS can do. Well, a smartphone cannot replace the built-in GPS for astrotracing purposes and the built-in GPS beats the smartphone for convenience.
BTW, earlier you wrote "To me, if someone is thinking about seriously using the builtin GPS on a TOP FF DSLR, then that someone should consider using a cell phone camera instead."
Seriously? Where is the logic in that?
Isn't the Ricoh GR II using the still very competitive Sony 16MP sensor that has been used in a lot of other cameras (e.g., Nikon D7000) or perhaps even an update of it?
This sensor is not noisy at all so I'm wondering whether the impression that the Ricoh GR II isn't good at high ISO may stem from a "hands-off" approach to noise reduction (for both JPEG and RAW formats).
force10: Capture One is an excellent program, but it does take time to get the best out of it, though the company are good at accepting suggestions for improvements. As it can take some time to work out how to use many of the features, I would recommend their excellent weekly Webinars, which demonstrate how to do things, and this will help people to learn more quickly than they would by trial and error (and frustration). They helped me no end, and now I really love the program.
Details of the Webinar programme can be found on their website at:
Actually, I have to revise my previous post. I wish I could delete it, actually. I just remembered that I did enter some communication with PhaseOne after the initial disappointing lack of response in the forum. The support was very friendly and tried to be helpful. Unfortunately for me, my ideas apparently did not align with their views back then. Meanwhile, Capture One appears to have received additional support for standard DNG files, so I'll be sure to check out the software again.
He is an excellent speaker with great command over language and a very effective delivery. It would have been nice to better hear the audience. It appears to be implausible that the audience showed as little reaction as this recording suggests.
How about a Canon 5D (Mark I, II, III) or 6D level pop-up flash? Hint: These higher-specced cameras don't have one.
The notion of leaving astrotracer functionality to a smartphone sounds good in theory, but in practice the camera would still have to support the sensor control, get a compass reading as well as GPS coordinates, rely on the phone for proper calibration, and would have to be physically aligned with the phone for valid readings (in particular of the compass). So in practice, I don't see it happening.
Your phone cannot let the camera track stars (like the "astrotracer" function can) and you have to tag images from the camera in post, making sure clocks are aligned before.
The built-in flash of the K-3 cannot control external flashes in HSS mode. Optical triggering only works for simple setups anyhow and radio triggers are much more flexible and convenient (power control from the camera position).
So the choice is easy: GPS rather than a toy flash.
dprived prev: i know many people here or elsewhere will not like what i'm going to say but i'm saying it anyway:
please listen to my demand here as a serious semi-pro photographer who doesn't care much about large size prints but does care so much about less noise!
take the example from Nikon D4 please:
no more than 16 or 18 (or 24 at the most) mega pixels on this camera's sensor! (unless you do really have a great sensor that can handle more pixels comfortably!?)
don't sacrifice professional noiseless image *quality* for prosumer hyper *quantity* craze please!
There are literally millions of FF Pentax lenses out there, some of them of world class quality.
There won't be a shortage of great FF glass for K-1 buyers.
And again, there is no trade-off between "high resolution" vs "low noise and high DR". One does not have to compromise noise/DR at all, in order increase resolution. Microlenses are used to ensure a close to perfect fill-factor, independently of pixel pitch.
The 36MP Nikon D810 matches the 16.2MP Nikon D4 in terms of noise performance (except at extremes beyound ISO 25600) and beats it in every other aspect (dynamic range, colour depth). Compare the respective sensors at DxoMark and see for yourself.
More MP do not imply more noise. Sadly, the stupid fad of omitting Bayer-AA filters makes an increase in MP desirable independently of output size in order to reduce moiré and false colour artefacts. I'm not sold on the variable filter solution by Pentax, as it only works up to a certain shutter speed and even below this threshold the consistency of blur achieved may be an issue.
My reservations against high-MP images are the impact on burst-speed during capture, storage requirements, and slow down in post-processing.
fedway: OK, what about the size? How does it compare to the bloated Canikon FFs? Something a bit smaller than the d750 would be nice. Did the DPR peeping tom get an idea before it was hidden?
Thanks for the clarification, Barney. Much appreciated!
I still have trouble viewing the lack of a "video start" button as an ergonomic quirk (on the contrary, either they take up prime space and/or can be pressed accidentally, or they are placed in places that are less reachable than the shutter release button).
However, I agree with providing any kind of information that may help a reader make a decision. After all, some may really like a "video start" button.
SmilerGrogan: Will this be the camera that finally breaks the stranglehold of the anti-Pentax contingent at DPR for too long? We can only pray
@Simon Joinson: Good to know, thanks.
CameraLabTester: Full Frame?
Seriously, Ricoh... you should have just gutted the innards of an MX, replaced it with digital soul, and made a splash.
But instead... you just made a spray.
Luckily the Nikon Df was "the only step aside".
This retro trend is literally taking steps backwards making ergonomics worse instead of better.
Parameter dials with fixed printing on them are archaic because they do not work with modern modes in which there is a fluid change between automation and manual control. You cannot have Pentax's HyperProgram and HyperManual modes with old-school dials; their simple "A" setting does not cut it when you would need the dial to turn to a new settings as determined by the camera (typically when requested by the user -> "green button").
@Simon Joinson: Wouldn't it be better to ignore posts like that by SmilerGrogan and instead respond to questions to DPReview like the one I posted earlier?
Here it is again: Why does DPReview assign any importance to the presence of a dedicated "video start" button and downgrades a camera without one?
Is it not true that most "video start" buttons are less ergonomically placed than the shutter release button (or take up prime space and may be accidentally pressed) and that not using the shutter release button for starting a video prevents video to be started via a remote (cabled, IR, radio trigger-based)?
Is the argument that it needs to be possible to quickly switch between still photography and video? Do you agree that the "video/stills" switch on the top of the new Pentax FF should support the same swift switching without requiring a dedicated "video start" button?
kriztian: Dear god. Where is the video button!!!! Please let there be one in the final production. No 4k I belive not many people will buy the camera.
@Tan68: Why are video buttons important?
They can often not be placed as ergonomically as the shutter release button and they prevent regular remote controls from working.
I don't get the idea that one needs to be able to switch from video to stills and back in a millisecond. Unless one is after snapshots and life coverage, video and still photography are so different that there really is no need for a super fast switch.
Having said that, I don't know why the Pentax FF solution shouldn't be as fast as having separate release buttons.
robbo d: Scary thing is weight..... k3 is already slightly heavier than a D750 body. Add battery grip, high quality glass and flash X2 when doing weddings ..... i hope its not too much of a tank.Might have to add a gym membership.!!!Pentax k3/k5 are small in form but theyre little heavy suckers ..... so if barney thinks it looks bulkier than D750 ... hmmmm
A quality construction weighs something, no way around it. But I regard this as a plus, making it harder to impart hand shake on the camera and giving a better balance to large and heavy glass. This is not meant to be a pocket camera for pancake lenses.
Regarding Barney: He wasn't able to take measurements and I'm pretty sure he will have to revise his opinion on bulkiness. I expect the Pentax FF model to be very comparable in size to the D750, if not smaller in some aspects (e.g., width).
T3: I just wonder if there's really enough of a market for another big, chunky FF DSLR at a time when FF mirrorless is coming into play. We're at the beginning of an inflection point in the camera market. Pentax may be a little too late to the game with this FF DSLR product line. I think it would have been a lot more interesting, and future-forward of Pentax to have introduced a FF mirrorless body instead.
Don't drink the mirrorless kool aid served by people who have an interest in selling cameras that are cheaper to build.
A quality system will always have a substantial size (Physics, even the "Light 16" won't change that) and a small mirrorless camera just becomes an inadequate grip for a big lens once you need serious quality.
EVFs are becoming better but still a) feature lag, making action photograpy harder,b) cost battery life (the Sony A7 models are great, but I wouldn't use one without a number of spare batteries),c) require the main sensor to always be active with detrimental effects on image noise.d) need white-balancing that may or may not fit the scene.
DLSR selling numbers still exceed mirrorless figures by a large margin and even if mirrorless cameras will become the default choice for most customers in the future, DSLRs will continue to be relevant for a considerable number of serious photographers.
66GTO: I think that LX-D would be an appropriate name for this one. I hope that it is successful for them. Would love to use some of my old P-glass on full frame.
Photos (peeping under the sticker) suggest that the name will be "K-1". I'd like that!
@Barney Britton: Thanks for the reply, much appreciated!
I think you will have to revise your opinion on bulkiness. I expect the camera to be very comparable to the D750, if not smaller in some aspects (e.g., width).
Could you please respond to my question about the video button? I was always puzzled about the importance DPReview has given to this button that does not make a difference to a still shooter (on the contrary, can get in the way) and the philosophy behind adjusting ratings based on its presence.
If the argument is that a camera should support a swift change between video and still photography then a) I don't think that is a scenario that occurs with significant frequency, and b) the "video/stills" switch of the Pentax FF model at the top should support an equally swift change.
@Barney Britton: Do you have measurements?
If the dimensions of the FF model are similar to what the 3D printed prototype was like then it may be a bit taller than the D750 but otherwise may even be a bit smaller.
It will probably be heavier, though, due to the typical Pentax quality construction.
N.B., would you downgrade the camera if it turns out that that there is no customisation option to turn any of the existing buttons into a "video start"-button? If so, why?
Starting videos with the shutter release button has advantages, such as being able to use a remote cable control, or remote radio triggers.
Why do you need a dedicated video button?
People using cameras with video buttons often want at least an option to use the shutter release button to start the video. One advantage of the latter arrangement is that one can remotely start a video recording with a conventional remote control or remote radio trigger.
My only concern is that DPReview will criticise the absence of a video button and reduce the rating accordingly (for no good reason, AFAIC).
P.S.: @DarylK: The control you are referring to is the "video/stills"-switch. I believe kritztian is concerned about a "video start" button.