Petrogel: Dxo is ranking Samsung S5 and Sony Xperia Z2 higher than any Nokia Lumia Gigapixel ?????……. Poor Nokia fanboys…..
you get my point menneisyys? trolls are addicted to attention, they only want to provoke, you're not going to win them to your side. the best thing is to keep quiet and let them have the last comment.
you see menneisyys, it is a sure sign of a lack of education when someone comments on a thread without even mentioning phone cameras, it's so awkward.
menneisys, you've been doing this for two years, haven't you learned already? this isn't a discussion about phone cameras. this is a demonstration of how what a hypocrite would say. hypocrisis is from the word ὑπόκρισις, maybe some people do it better than others.
this would be like someone driving his range rover for one mile to get to the park, then proudly insist to bicycle owners that other brands are better, while obnoxiously proclaiming that he will never consider seriously using one himself. people should just silently recognize that while one is always free to shout and flail his arms, his opinions were always worthless and that by leaving him alone, someday there will be a very tiny chance he'll grow up.
bobbarber: Not sure about the comment that a traditional setup has to be fixed to the microscope. There are many ways to make a camera-microscope setup portable. The eyepiece of a microscope often slides out and can be replaced with whatever kind of adapter you want. I've done a lot of photography like this, specifically of histology slides of fish gonads.
I used to use a 5 Mp Nikon Coolpix and 7 Mp Olympus C-7070, both high resolution cameras at the time. I had a hard time convincing other scientists that my setup was better than the 600x400 pixel (or thereabouts) setups that had been marketed to them as "made to take pictures through the microscope". They definitely had a blind spot where photography was concerned.
but you still mount your cameras to the microscope to prevent hand motion blur. with OIS these scientists have the speed and flexibility to take handheld images on multiple microscopes.
muzzy66: I really find you guys amusing, sitting here trying so hard to argue that the 808 is better than the Z2. Do you not really how rediculous this argument even is?
The Xperia Z2 is a full featured smartphone. It's a phone, it's a serious mobile gaming device, it's a multimedia device (5.2" Full HD IPS display and stereo front-facing speakers), it's a personal assisant and it's rated to the highest standard of dust and water resistance.
This is a device that you will carry everywhere with you as an all purpose device, and the camera is there purely so that if an unexpected 'candid moment' pops up you can get a quick snap.
The 808 has minimal 'smartphone' capabilities and was pretty much built as a camera first, phone second.
That the Xperia can even challenge the 808 is a hell of an impressive feat because no normal person will ever carry an 808 every day in the real world - you'd only take it if you know you willbe taking photos. It's basically a camera that can make calls.
"To try to argue that the 808 is CLEARLY the superior camera is an argument that is not demonstrated from these shots." - yeah because your link compares 5mp images with 8mp images. and instead of linking phonearena's version, try reading the original source http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/flow/item/19729_Camera_initial_head_to_head_No.php"Personally I prefer the Z2" - who wouldn't prefer the item that they own?
Houseqatz: i jumped ship from an iphone to the lumia 1020, for the camera. however, if apple were to include OIS, and a high megapixel/large sensor, with their version of oversampling baked in, i'd be tempted to go back...
there are so many good ios apps that simply do not exist in the windows phone 8 ecosystem
8GB iphones are available in the U.S.
"sitting here trying so hard to argue that the 808 is better than the Z2" - it's actually not hard at all. on the other hand, arguing that the Z2's advantages over the 808 are a hardware shutter and AF to capture the quick moment just goes to show that someone doesn't know that the 808 has these too. also, a statement such as "no normal person will ever carry an 808 every day in the real world" is only true for a very narrow-minded definition of "normal" and "real world".
too bad DxO doesn't publish the full size samples they took and let everyone confirm the white spot issue on the Z2
Michael Piziak: I hate when they come out with different and smaller cards. The Sim card in my fathers phone couldn't be used on his new phone because it's now "micro Sim"
"The Sim card in my fathers phone couldn't be used on his new phone because it's now micro Sim" - yes it can. google sim cutter. and you can go back to the old phone if you don't throw away the cutout.
808 photo: 78 + 80 + 73 + 84 + 88 + 89 + 81 = 573Z2 photo: 88 + 74 + 84 + 83 + 84 + 68 + 85 = 566both score = 81?
RichRMA: Jobs. "640k is enough memory for anyone." "No one is going to buy a big smartphone." Sure he was such a god visionary he's purported to have been?
not him either. a lot of famous people quotes are mis-attributed or completely fabricated.
Menneisyys: Still image quality key areas:
Photo Artifacts:Z2: 68 pts808: 89 pts
Noise:Z2: 84 pts808: 88 pts
Texture:Z2: 83808: 84
Color:Z2: 74808: 80
I don't really see a lead for Z2 here. Do any of you?
What did make the Z2 "better" overall? In addition to video (Z2: 73; 808: 68), autofocus (Z2: 84; 808: 73). Something that, assuming you have time for pre-focusing, has no effect on the overall IQ.
And something that is plain unacceptable and really questions the entire testing methology: Flash:Z2: 85 pts808: 81 pts
Only this is what I can agree with, knowing the relatively low DR of the 808:
Exposure and Contrast:Z2: 88808: 78
Nevertheless, in _all_ other still areas the 808 either beats the Z2 or has a dubious loss (see Flash above), autofocus aside. This is, however, only one area and, when shooting low-DR stuff and with plenty of time for repeating your shots, this won't really be an issue. In all other, key areas (color / texture / PA /Noise) the 808 wins.
i should've ended my earlier comment with "end sarcasm"
your assessment is inadequate, DXO mobile defines Image Quality as both stills and video because, y'know, scientific, bias-free, protocol.
Menneisyys: Speaking of the 808's flash, yesterday, I made tons of open-air "social" shots in the evening, with the 808. The subjects were typically at least 5-6 meters away. Everything was on auto, incl. the flash. I used CameraPro Qt in its 41 full-sensor Mpixel mode.
The 808 chose ISO 640...1000 for the shots. Of course, I did manual focusing before each shot. All the shots were good (again, if you carefully pre-focus, there won't be focus problems) and the subjects (people) pretty well lit by the Xenon flash. The, in addition to the (possibly) high brightness, other advantage of Xenon flash, namely, movement freezing, also worked just fine.
Now, do the same with the Z2's cr@ppy LED flash...
"DXO lost their credibility when they've ranked 808 1st" - Petrogel" i do too refuse to let a site guide me for what's good or bad product" - Petrogel
why mot argue with yourself?
tunitowen: Here's hoping LG can get close to Apple with this one. Not much is getting close to the iPhones for picture quality (Maybe Xperia / Lumia are getting there).
as someone once said - Time to take the tin foil hat off my friend
HappyVan: Cor Blimey!
All this effort to review a camera phone? Really?
Congratulations! You have just established which camera phone is best. But, are you buying a phone just for the camera?
"There must be a minority who think that DPR can do no wrong!" - way to go making another irrelevant assertion in an attempt to sidetrack people from watching how your unwarranted criticism gets easily dismantled
"I like the insights offered by the CNET guy" - then people like you are grateful that there are sites that cater to your specific intellectual needs. the rest of the world should consider themselves lucky to receive your deep wisdom on how DPR is doing things wrong.
"I question whether DPR should have a Connect site. They are not experts on handphones. Don't offer a comprehensive analysis of handphones." - your statement, while true, is irrelevant. DPR reviews cameras in phones only, no one said they look at all "handphones". show us another website that provides an 11-page comprehensive analysis of a phone's camera, and then tell us if you still question Connect's existence.
PaulDavis: Sharp looking camera. Sony should have added a left shoulder dial like this on the a7/r cameras.
what psam? http://stech1.firstpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/xt1leak_3.jpg
FocusPuller: Because what the world needs is YouTube videos of cats, babies, and people falling down in 4K? Thanks, Sony.
you must be purposely watching those kinds of videos. youtube's 4k lists have none of that. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=4k+playlist