absentaneous: it's a well done photo, apart maybe that reflection in her eyes which might be a bit disturbing but overall one was done fine, no complaints about that but this good effort was literally ruined in post processing. I mean it's about taste when it comes to smoothing the skin to this level even if to me it doesn't make any sense because it's simply too obvious for one to appreciate it but the real problem is that if you decide to go this way at least do it properly. I don't know how many people checked the full resolution version but this touch up was a fail. there are portions around the eyes, nose and mouth that simply were note processed. so it really looks noobish.
and who cares if you take pictures for a living. it's a person's actions and not his skills that give him credibility.
and Professor/Inspector Absentaneous,Don't point the finger back at me. You're the one who loves to analyze pictures. So you should be the one answering questions and not asking them. Did you even bother to look at the photos in this user's gallery before making your unsolicited criticisms? I did his and yours. Obviously he knows his photography. "do it properly"? For all you know he could have been hurriedly & secretly PPing this photo in a small window to hide it from his boss while doing his daytime job.. and he still pulled off the win. If it's your thing to criticize other peoples photos, ATLEAST YOU DO IT PROPERLY. Challenge stat numbers don't mean anything to you? No wonder you like to rob people (like dibilio57) of the joys of their victories. Did it ever occur to you that they mean something to them? I got on your nerves? This isnt even half as bad as what you did to the poor winner in the cayote thingy. I was expecting that you could take it as good as you could dish it.
@mapemu,i agree with you on your first statement. Many people, just like you and me, are here to learn from others. But trust me, when the time comes and you win your first challenge which i sincerely wish you do, you wouldn't want this guy anywhere near your winning photo. Unless it's ok with you for someone to publicly suspect you of being a cheat and call your photo a fake (even the PP rules say "weave your PP magic"), demand a raw file from you just to satisfy his curiosity, then publicly confirms his suspicions if you refuse.
wow, for a flawed argument you certainly put a lot of words and effort to it..even to the point of using the photo in another site (which i assume without the owner's permission) just to prove your point..well, to me it just shows that you obviously dont have anything better to do with your time...not that i'm defending him, but read my post and see your challenge stats...that's my basis...and by the way, how's it going with the cayote thingy? any progress with your cheating suspicions? You should try reading the PP rules sometime. If and when you start winning some challenges yourself maybe then people might take you seriously.I may be stupid to you, but it takes someone twice as stupid to go through all the trouble just to prove a point against a stupid man's flawed argument.. :p
well, looking at the photos in your gallery and your challenge stats, you don't even come close to being noobish compared to this photographer...i suggest you apply your theoretical expertise on yourself first before you start critiquing other people's work... :D
Neeyon: I get the various aspects of the argument being thrown around about whether or not this challenge is appropriate (artistic expression vs cultural sensitivity vs forum rules etc. etc.). It's an interesting debate but the reality is that it is certainly not going to be settled here. At the end of the day it will be up to DPReview management as to whether this challenge goes or stays, so let's wait and see (I personally have no problem if it stays, but that's just me...others have every right to a differing opinion).
One thing I do feel very strongly about though is that if you're offended by nudity, and you see a challenge entitled "clothing optional", then simply don't click the link. If you choose to click on the link and look at the pictures then don't blame anyone but yourself if you get offended. Honestly!
oh i know i'm in the right place...it's some of these pictures and their owner that need to be redirected to the sex shop or an amateur nude art gallery... :p
we all have equal rights in this site and should not be told by any member which link we should click or which ones we should not...only DPR has the right to do that by banning us..but for the sake of discussion, i think if there's anyone who should be told not to click a link, it should be the challenge hosts who have no regard or simply don't understand the rules set by DPR...the link that they click to create challenges.
christian jacob: It's fine to respect other people's cultures, but mustn't dpreview then only allow pictures of women in burkhas, if everything is even?In reality the ban on nudity is caused by us-american sensibility, and the ad-revenue generated by that audience, not out of respect for other cultures.
yes DPReview should only allow pictures of women in burkhas...lol..how silly does that sound....but of course we all have a certain level of tolerance...whatever the culture...
its all about respect....respect for the rules and respect for other people's cultures. if some people complain because it is offensive to their culture or because they respect the rules, let them complain. But please don't shove your own personal or cultural beliefs into their faces. These "modern" cultures that accept public nudity have their own taboos too. If someone would host a challenge titled "The Middle Finger" or "Dog and Cat Meat", do you think they would still say "Oh it's ok.. it's not offensive... as long as it's presented artistically and in good taste." ?
trepiloo: I really don't understand what this challenge is about........on the internet???
just my opinion, two of the most important things to consider to stay anonymous on the internet are your name and your picture. With social networking sites being the in thing among netizens, an unrecognizable profile pic should be a must to stay anonymous on the net. I think this is more to the point rather than a picture of a person accessing a computer.
Collett: Can you post instructions or a link on how to add the line overlay for those not proficient in Photoshop?
just do 2 youtube searches.. 1st how to place grids then how to draw lines in photoshop...took me less than 10 mins after watching the vids...