If they could make it skin coloured, maybe that would help...
Tal Shachar: it's going to be popular like rebadged Sony as Hasselblad. in other words - it's not going to sell.
With the difference that Leica is responsible for the lens design in that deal. Hasselblad, on the other hand...
Michael MacGillivray: This nonsense has gone far enough. Consumers should be in revolt with camera companies, almost across the board. I'm expecting bad news when I buy new gear and guess what? I'm buying less.
Two suggested articles for DP Review would be a comparison of both the quality control records of individual companies and their customer service. Taking it a step further, it would be great if customer service ratings and QC issues could become part of full reviews and scores, several months out.
I don't think trying just two of their simulations will convince me to buy the rather expensive full product.
SteB: This is just a general interest question, and no attempt to put the camera down. To me cameras are just tools, each having pros and cons.
My question is does Pentax use Electronic First Curtain (EFC) shutter yet, in this or any other Pentax camera?
It does for the Pixel Shift Resolution mode.
fisherman_lol: To DPR Moderators; This jpino79 guy is been flooding this forum all day with his inflammatory comments and you are not doing anything about it? I think if he was bashing CANIKON he would be banned for life. ;)
People always complain. And then they buy the product anyway.
sandy b: Nice looking upgrade to a great camera. Pentax maybe be small but they are giants at keeping their customers happy. I can't afford two systems, if I could, this would be the camera.
@avicenw: Shouldn't post that video without pointing out that Arias is paid by Fujifilm who don't currently sell any FF cameras.
Since everybody's talking about them, here's the link to the full res samples:http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/k-3-2/ex/
Direct links to the two images taken with Pixel Shift Resolution:http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/k-3-2/ex/img/bod_mainImg_02.JPG
badi: "This has two direct benefits: firstly it provides images with full color resolution, [...] Secondly, as a result of sampling the same point four times, the images will have greatly improved noise characteristics. The other benefits over the Olympus system is that it could be faster, as it only requires four exposures, rather than eight"
About the first two benefits... yes, they are true, but they are also true for olympus. Maybe you just rephrase, so that should be clear. The term "the other benefits over the olympus system" suggest that also the first two are "better" in pentax.
About the last one - it's not a benefit, it's a different approach - some will prefer the increased res, as taking 4 shots or 8 is usually about the same thing: it can only be applied to perfect static subjects.Also here, i would rather say that both manufacturers just didn't want to go the full way and make both options available. At least in the case of olympus it's clearly only a matter of software.
Post-processing. Read it slowly, several times. Maybe you will get it. Maybe.
KL Matt: No built in flash is a bummer for triggering an off-camera flash without having to lug around a second one. Also, I use mine for fill in daylight backlit people shots infrequently, and it's really handy to be able to just pop it up. Plenty of power for that purpose. The GPS would be way cool to have, but what will turning it on do to battery power? In any case, this camera will likely bring down the price of the K3, which is probably where I'm headed now that the K5 IIs is no longer available for a reasonable price (missed my window of opportunity there).
audiobomber, given that the K-3 II will only be sold body-only from Ricoh in the US, you may be right that the K-3 will now be the little brother model.
From a marketing standpoint, omitting the flash is pure genius as now Pentax shooters will be walking around with external flash units, which looks way more professional to the lay person. "Ooh, Pentax... is that a new brand, then?" ;)
Plus, another item to bundle AND another place to display the brand name in big letters. Much bonus!
AngryCorgi: Question is: How speed-efficient is the pixel-shift mode? Much like on the Olympus, that factor will be the ultimate determining factor on value of the mode.
Barry Pearson has suggested that the pixel shift mode will operate by electronic shutter only, which means it could be fast. Beyond that, I suspect you'll just have to wait for a test like everybdy else.
deep7, before you go frothy at the fingers, may I suggest that you wait for the tests and see if they show this added resolving power you keep rambling about? Ricoh have said they tried it and saw no benefit, and there is a very good reason for believing that, which is that in the Olympus model, the "pixels" overlap. So you're collecting the same information a second time, in a different compartmentalisation. That simply doesn't add a whole lot of new information, especially if the lens is being outresolved, which is quite likely.
And if you can show me a good RAW converter that can convert a 64 megapixel colour "image" in a millisecond on a typical PC, I'll send some money your way.
ttran88: Looks like Pentax's new FF camera will be having sensor shift tech. Thanks Ricoh for innovating when the two market leaders are just hanging loose.
Ricoh have stated that they tried doing 8 exposures and it didn't seem to significantly increase resolution, which makes sense because of the overlap of pixels. I guess comparative tests will be run between the two systems and conclusions drawn. No point having a fight over it before the harvest is in.
Rooru S: For a moment when I got to dpreview website and saw the article preview picture I thought this was the Pentax FF... I was like holy s**t! Then read the title. Phew..
Don't worry, you'll get that same reaction again later in the year. Without the "phew", that is...
RichRMA: The pixel-shifting is a good idea, might even work as well hand-held as Olympus's HDR mode, but it's definitely not as good as being able to call up 50mp+ resolution.
Lots of apples and oranges here, even some crab apples for good measure. Comparing a $3k camera with a $1k camera has what purpose, exactly? And 1.4x resolution? More like >3.3x, I should think - 4x for blue, 4x for red, 2x for green - except at high ISO where it approaches 4x for green due to the extra detail/lower noise.
audiobomber: Hopefully the K-3 II review will be written by Dan Bracaglia and Rishi Sanyal. They did a great job on the A77 II review, especially the focus testing. The K-3 was sabotaged by all the wrong settings for the AF-C test.
"The slow lenses" seems to be one of those myths that people have clipboarded to the Pentax brand. I'm not an expert on wide and fisheye ranges, but there are zooms covering the entire 16 to 200mm range at f/2.8
The K-3's informal AF tracking test included no proper controls. Claims were made about how other cameras would have performed under the same conditions, but those cameras were never tested under identical conditions. That's not testing at all. That's guessing.
I'm pretty sure that the fact that this system works faster and has a smaller post processing footprint than Olympus is a real advantage.
chillgreg: Thanks. Still waiting for the Ricoh GR though... :(
It got a Gold award in July 2013.
I never expected DPR to get around to adding older models to the new test scene, and while I seem to recall being told that I was wrong, history seems to be proving me right. Still prefer the old test scene - the parrot feathers were much more useful than anything here.