I have to say it is refreshing to see a dpreview article that is critical of this camera. All other A7RII articles, while informative, seemed a little too "cheerleader-y" to be objective.
Sony should license Pied Piper's compression algorithm.
kodakrome: Digital imaging has gotten so good...it's hard to understand why people complain so much. Instead of appreciating the images that a camera like this can produce, people just want to blow the shots up and argue over a couple of pixels. Total insanity.
People who are interested in buying a 42MP camera are certainly the type to complain about pixels.
Panasonic has:25mm 1.420mm 1.7and now...25mm 1.7
meanwhile Olympus only has:25mm 1.8
They got some catching up to do. Better hurry up before Panasonic makes a 25mm 1.2. At least Zuiko's look sexier (in silver).
"Cameras offering this [silent] mode in the past have typically had a noise penalty associated with its use"
Noise as is audible noise? Or as in 'signal to noise' noise?
" In addition, a lens adapter allows existing Holga lenses to be used with Holga Digital."
"It features F2.8 and F8.0 two-stop aperture settings, 4:3 and 1:1 aspect ratios, an 8MP 1/3.2" CMOS sensor"
Compatibility with existing Holga lenses will be great, if you want super telephoto lenses. Good luck shooting from the hip. At least there will be lots of DOF to counter the dreamy look of the plastic lenses.
Can't wait for this to be included in the dpr studio scene.
WillWeaverRVA: Wow. That's terrible. There are smartphones with larger sensors than that...you could potentially get an old compact with better IQ than that for $57...
The Holga's intent has never been to produce high IQ.To think otherwise equates to a low IQ.:-)
acidic: It's a pro lens people, so it will be undoubtedly be purchased by CPS members who need such a lens.
But, to a larger extent, it will be purchased by rich people who keep their high end Canon bodies set to the 'green square' mode. Why? Because the salesperson told them that this lens is essential for high quality photography.
Kinda both. The CPS part is definitely true. It's why I used to get Canon pro lenses over others when I was a member.
The other part is kinda made up, part anectodal. Over the years, I've seen tourists at various attractions using high end gear set to the dummy mode. These include lenses like the Nikon 14-24, Canon 24-70, Canon 85/1.2, etc. For some odd reason, I am always the guy being asked to take a group photo for someone (I must look approachable, plus the fact that I was carrying a dSLR didn't hurt). And countless times it was a nice lens on a nice body set to auto mode. No lie.
Often times these tourists belong to the 'nouveau riche' class. I'm sure part of the reason for these purchases are nothing more than conspicuous consumption.
RedDog Steve: What I Need To Know - is if the lens mount has been improved at all from the binding scratchy tightness of the original ?
Nose oil also works to hide scratches on negative film when printing in a dark room. Strange but true. Oh wait, this is DIGITAL photography review, sorry folks, wrong website!
radissimo: As this camera does a lot things right lets concentrate on my TOP NEGATIVES :D
1) no new sensor2) awkward on/off switch placement ( typical for few Oly bodies)3) EVF in the middle (not as good for right eye shooter, but I guess good for minority)4) poor grip (needing additional cost and bulk of the grip)
for me the 2) is most significant- I hold camera with my right hand, so I need left hand to switch it on?
If I spoiled a day for an Oly supporter, I am sincerely sorry :)
Umm, that's why radissimo said "my TOP NEGATIVES" and not yours or anyone else's.
1Dx4me: looks as big as my canon 1Dx DSLR, so why drop my fantastic DSLR and get this monster-what do i gain? this is the question all DSLR owners ask and stay right where they are, especially the professionals ;-)
The OMD series are nice because you are not burdened with having to lug around a large sensor, which arguably weighs much more than a m4/3 sensor.
acidic: 1. Before digital cameras became affordable and fun (early 21st century), people didn't take many photos. Many of those who did opted to use really low end point and shoots, or even disposable cameras for their special events and travel.
2. Digital cameras became affordable and fun and cheap to own and operate, plus photos could be printed at home, or emailed to friends and family.
3. Just about every digicam and dslr had (and continues to have) a point and shoot (aka "dummy") mode.
4. Camera phones were horrible, and most didn't have internet connectivity and/or data plans, so people continued to use their digicams.
5. Smart phones are everywhere, with image quality that easily surpasses earlier digicams, with these added benefits: (a) multi-function devices - people are carrying their phones regardless (b) internet connectivity (c) compact (d) fun, app- and social-driven experience
6. People are taking more photos than ever before, most of which are from smart phones.
Summary:If smart phones take photos that are good enough (far surpassing the image quality of the low-end point and shoot digicams people were accustomed to a few years ago), why bother with a dedicated digital camera?
1. Before digital cameras became affordable and fun (early 21st century), people didn't take many photos. Many of those who did opted to use really low end point and shoots, or even disposable cameras for their special events and travel.
It's a pro lens people, so it will be undoubtedly be purchased by CPS members who need such a lens.
acidic: It would be nice if they tested low light AF with zooms, and not just primes, since zooms are undoubtedly used by the majority of photographers these days.
Perhaps such tests with f/2.8 or f/4 zooms were omitted because if they were included, dpreview would have to use a less exciting headline.
"Maybe people who buy $400 DSLRs use zooms most of the time. But if you buy a $1000+ body I think you should be wise enough to know that if you will be in extremely low light situations, or want very high IQ you will be using a fast prime."
This is simply laughable, well most of it anyways. The majority of mid to high end dSLR users I see have a zoom attached to their cameras. I bet most don't even own primes! Many photographers (including pros) will end up in low light situations without their primes, mainly because they come across "found" photo ops and weren't planning for it. Or it could just be a compromise to make everything else go smoother that day (e.g. weight constraints). As someone who used to shoot lots of events, often times in dimly lit environments, I would stick with the zoom if it got the job done, even if I had a prime or two in my bag.
There were others who left comments stating they wanted to see a test with zooms as well.
"The only time I shoot zooms is for long telephoto reach where the added framing versatility is immensely useful, but for 95% of my shooting I shoot prime."That's great. I still think it would've been nice to see results for zooms. But maybe that's just me.
"Many of the non-sports pros I speak to also ascribe to (1)"I didn't realize dpreview is a site for professionals. I suspect in reality, the vast majority of visitors to this site are anything but.
"We found what we honestly thought was a really cool finding..."Yes, very interesting. Just wanted to add what else I would've wanted to see in the article.
"Do you think it could be any/all of those?"Yes, as well as other reasons. Headlines drive clicks, clicks attract advertisers, advertisers provide revenue. That's part of dpreview's business model (the other part is driving consumers to its parent company Amazon).
"Easy math."Condescending much? I bet a good percentage of your readers don't even understand the math.
acidic: Canada Post is a joke. US to Canada mail arrives faster than Canadian domestic. For Canadians close to the border who have time sensitive mail, it makes more sense for them to drive into the US and send their mail from a USPS post office. Go figure.
That's exactly right, Neez.When Canada Post accepts domestic mail for delivery, it ends up taking way longer than when the US Postal service accepts mail to be sent to Canada. Though Canada Post still handles the delivery part of the latter scenario, it still arrives quicker than domestic Canadian mail.
acidic: I still have an omd em5. Mk1. Any reason I should get the em10 mk2? The way I see it, I would be gaining WiFi and smaller body, but would be sacrificing weather sealing. Sound about right?
Thanks for the replies. I am also guessing that the 5 axis IBIS would be comparable between the EM5 mk1 and the EM10 mk2? Assuming I'd have to step up to the EM5 mk2 to see improvements?
I still have an omd em5. Mk1. Any reason I should get the em10 mk2? The way I see it, I would be gaining WiFi and smaller body, but would be sacrificing weather sealing. Sound about right?