Bobby72: Also making highend Panaorama photos is a nice bonus. I did it a lot and makes my hobby a lot more pleasant. The video quality really impressed me. With the xlr inputs and Rode Video mic pro the end results are stunning. It is much more complete compared to Nikon and Canon. I would say give the Sony A99 a try and make your own comparison with the camera you use now.
D800 has crappy video quality. Ugly moire. It's not better than A99. 5D Mark III is better, but if video is important, something like FS100, which is about the same price, blows the crap out of D800 and even 5D Mark III. D800 is a joke for video
marike6: On page 10, the review talks about Continuous Shooting. I thought the advantage of SLT was that the mirror didn't have to flip out of the way for each exposure allowing extremely high FPS. So why does the A99 shoot a max of 6 fps full res images instead of the 12 fps like the A77?
Since, as DPR mentions, the A99 buffer gets cleared "twice as fast as the 5D and D600" why "only" 6 fps like the Canikon? Clearly the Boinz processor is capable of moving data quickly, why is the A99 not like other SLT cameras with blazing fast FPS? And ideas?
marike6. get educated. The image processor (such as Boinz) is just one of the factor. The sensor itself has to be able to handle 10 fps in ful resolution. A77 sensor is capable of that, but obviously A99 sensor isn't.
57even: Nice to see Sony committed to this path, because otherwise we would not have alternatives. I don't get the resistance to different ideas. Don't like EVFs? Buy Canon or Nikon. I like to see innovation in the camera market.
Since using EVF CSC cameras I have no issues with them. The elimination of lens tuning and mirror lockup is a big bonus. The inability to see real-time tracking info for high speed burst, is disappointing but is the only real downside. Hopefully in future a live video feed will be possible in high frame rate modes, even if not full resolution...
Conversely SLT cameras are a far more successful crossover design for combining stills and video. If you have used an EVF camera for shooting video, and video production was a key part of your work, I assure you you would give the A99 a very serious look.
Sadly in the UK, Sony charges silly prices for their glass, and not many people sell it. Less third party support as well.
There is no "tearing" on OLED EVF. More crap from marike6. Will this guy ever stop?
falconeyes: Strange, DPR gives the A99 a better low iso rating than the full frame cameras w/o light absorbing SLT mirror and same sensor tech. Must clearly be a mistake. Moreover, DPR finds no nice words for the A99 AF system. Still gets the top score. Strange I find.
marike6 , boy, DPR has used all these cameras and concluded A99 is just as god -- if not better. You are just a Nikon fanboy.
marike6: Sony made a big gamble by dropping the OVF on all their cameras. A top level pentaprism OVF will always be the state-of-the-art, while in one or two years time, the A99 EVF will be old technology, superseded by new models. Just ask Fuji X-Pro1 users how they felt when the X-E1 came out with a higher specified EVF. So perhaps one of the negatives of adopting an evolving technology like EVF is an increased need to upgrade. Whereas a 100% OVF of a 5D3, D800 or A900 will always be about as good as it gets.
This is the dumbest post, ever, but that is marike6 for you. He is a genius around here.
" A top level pentaprism OVF will always be the state-of-the-art, while in one or two years time, the A99 EVF will be old technology, superseded by new models. So perhaps one of the negatives of adopting an evolving technology like EVF is an increased need to upgrade. "
In a few years Sony will release a better sensor, making Sony sensor in D600 "old technology". Does that mean one of the negative of D600 is that it is using a digital sensor (made by Sony) instead of film?
It doesn't even make sense. All digital cameras become old and are replaced with newer better camera with better electronics (including the sensor, the most important part in a camera). What are you going to do with the OVF if the rest of the camera (such as sensor) is old technology? Wouldn't that be a reason to update D600?
The original comment should be awarded the dumbest comment of 2012.
RStyga: An upper IQ limit of ISP 6400, and then it gets visibly worse than the competition.
Typical Sony DSLR IQ... strong sensor manufacturer but somehow they mess up when using them in their DSLR.. it doesn't make sense...
D600 is not in "another" class. It uses 24 MP sensor made by Sony, just as D800 uses a Sony sensor. A99 should be 1/2 stop lower due to SLT mirror and RX1 should be pretty close to D600.
And while we at it. VG900 that shoots RAW stills should be very close to D600 too. D600 is not in any special class. Both RX1 and VG900 should have very close RAW performance.
All these cameras are using the 24 MP Exmor sensor made by Sony, not Nikon
K-5 uses RAW NR. If you go by jpegs, Nex-5N and Fuji cameras both do better than K-5. Even OMD with smaler sensor does better.
D600 doesn't do better than RX1 at high ISO. Wrong again
Lee W: Beats the D800 hands down!
You obviously care, as you are whining about it. Why are posting on this thread? Why were you posting on RX1, RX100, A57, and F55/F5 threads? You seem to have obsession.
DPR may not be the ultimate authority on cameras, but you definitely are no authority. You haven't even touched most of these cameras ..
I know SLT affects high ISO. You didn't know that it also affects DR score on dxomark. That's why I said you are known to post stupid things, and you confirmed it. Thank you very much.
Yes, SLT has slight affect on image quality (1/2 stop pretty minor) but there are positives too (no mirror vibrations, EVF, video PDAF AF, EVF in video mode, less shutter lag due electronic first shutter curtain, faster fps at lower cost, etc).
Glad you admitted that on DPreview A99 scored higher than D800 and 5D Mark II .. must pain you a lot, huh?
Ah ... that's so sad ;)
No Nikon doesn't score better. Nikon D7000 and Sony A580 both scored 80 points on dxomark. A55 scored lower due to SLT mirror. Sony cameras also tend to score slightly lower in DR on dxomark due to stronger CFA filter. This is all well known.
Butr no, Nikon doesn't do better. All the scores (with cameras without SLT mirror) are within margin of error.
schufosi777: Pity I cannot buy it. I am an English speaker living in Japan and it comes with Japanese menus only and Sony will not allow it to be imported from anywhere. So its down to the other two who do have English menus.
No, the reason is that Sony doesn't want Japanese models to be imported outside Japan in grey market.
marike6 , funny you say you don't post stupid stuff than you go on to claim that SLT only affects high ISO, not DR and color depth scores on dxomark. This is factually false. Check A55 and A580 scores on dxomark.
Yes you post stupid things, as you did just again. A580 and D7000 both scored 80 points. Nikon doesn't score higher with the same sensor without SLT mirror. Sony makes the sensor, not Nikon.
I have now seen you in RX100, RX1, A99, A57, F55 and F5 articles. You seem to have an issue with any positive review of Sony by DPReview.
A99 scored higher than D800 on DPreview .. does that pain you?
No, the Sony cameras bought in Japan with default Japanese language can't change the language, neither from menu nor from FW upgrades. You can change the language on cameras bought anywhere else outside Japan.
marike6 is known to post stupid comments. Of course D800 will score higher on dxomark as the Sony sensor in D800 doesn't have the SLT mirror in it's way. Just scoring higher on dxomark doesn't mean one camera is better than the other. If that was the case, all Canon cameras ever made were worse than all Sony cameras ever made. Yes that's stupid, but that is marike6 for you.
In any case, as it happens, A99 on dpreview ended up scoring higher than both D800 anmd 5D Mark III.
Live with marike6, instead of venting your frustration here.
Francis Carver: DigitalCinemaReview.com, thanks for the heads-up on the exciting Sony PMW-F5 & PMW-F55 digital film cameras. Now, once Sony publishes some LIST PRICES for these things and the myriad of 100% proprietary accessories for it, we will know whether to be happy or sad. Everything you own from Sony now -- would have to be replaced by those getting an F5 of F55 digital cinema camera from Sony.
BTW, not only will these cameras not come with lenses, they will not come with a viewfinder, battery, battery charger, XLR audio module, video connectivity module, 4K recorder module, not even a top-side handle. Congrats to Sony -- the must-have accessories for the F5 & F55 will cost almost as much as the camera brain will, most likely.
And if you read the press release carefully -- almost all the features that these cameras can perform will be subject to some "future upgrade" hinted to happen sometime down the line, for prices yet to be determined. Thanks, Sony Son, you've been.... well, real.
who told you these cameras will not come with battery, battery charger, XLR audio module?
This guy is the biggest idiot on DPR.
Just scroll down and see he has been posting crap -- almost everything he has been posting is crap.
dark goob: Conveniently did not mention price. haha
I'm guessing six figures for all components in that picture?
And more crap from Francis continues. You don't need the recorder to shoot with F5/F55. Unlike Red, these cameras record internally too on SxX cards.
Lea5: Fantastic news! Don't forget the F5 too, which was announced today with the F55. Sony really listening to the end user and offering cinematographers two very good cameras. Both can record at 50Mb/s at 4:2:2 to SxS cards, this is long overdue. The new Sony PL lens lineup looks promising as well!Now we can put our old PMW-EX3 to rest. But I'm not sure yet if the F5 or F55 will be the one. I want to see a few tests.
More gas coming out of Francis's ass. Blackmagic camera is crap. You can't even change the battery as it'd built in to the camera, and the battery life is crap.
And F5 does 2K XAVC 422 10-bit 1-120 fps internally, you stupid moron.
Why you keep posting about a topic when you clearly are clueless about it?
KingDon: F55 video
Gosh Francis is an annoying twit who posts his ignorant crap all over DPR.
Where did you get that 300 mbits number? Out of your ass? SxS Pro+ has a minimum recording speed of 1.3 Gbit/s with a theoretical maximum speed of 8 Gbit/s
PMW-F5 15,340 EuroPMW-F55 27,804 EuroExternal RAW Recorder 5,206 EuroAXS-CR1 Access Card Reader 549 EuroAccess Card 512GB for External Recorder 1,535 Euro
DPR puts RX100 in a different class. They claim the scores are not comparable between different classes, but yet they mention RX100 everywhere in this review. Isn't that hilarious?
RX100 should have been in the same class as S110. These cameras are competing for the same market. Same buyers.
Putting RX100 in the same class as larger -- not pocketable -- big sensor p&s (such as G1X) or cameras with a fix lens primes like Fuji X100 was really really dumb.
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