HubertChen: Weird. I compared Studio Shots of MX1 and X20. No significant differences. Yet when comparing the real world shot the MX1 images look much better than the X20? Anybody ?
The "real world shots" were taken in different conditions, different lighting, different scenes, different photographers . How are you comparing them? Magic?
marike6: The biggest Con for both the EPM2 and EPL5 is the 16:9 format LCD. 4:3 native image format on a 16:9 LCD make the actual screen area tiny. It's shocking that this was not listed as a Con over the others as most LCD aren't great in bright light, but almost no LCD but the PENs have black bars on the LCD. An aspect ratio meant for video and native 4:3 format do not work well together.
For the EPL5 (and I'm guessing the EPM2) AF is fast in bright light. Indoors and in low-light AF is much slower and it can sometimes become difficult to lock onto your subject. Use any Nikon 1 camera to see the difference in low-light or indoors for AF Single Shot.
But it''s hard to complain for the price as these are quite decent cameras capable of excellent images.
Aside from being Nikon shill, he also gets really upset if non-Nikon cameras get good reviews. Just read his comments in A99 review. He was banging his head on the walls because DPR rated it higher than D800.
Are there really people who pronounce it with hard G? If there are, I have never heard them. I have always heard it pronounced "jiff"
Not only is he Nikon shill but he almost always popup up in other non-Nikon threads. For example, he was all over A99 review because DPR gave it higher rating than D800
I am not surprised to see marike6 here too with his Nikon promotion. He was foaming at DPR in D5200 review for not giving that Nikon camera greatest thing ever since slice bread award. LOL
D5200 has the crappiest continuous AF in video (and liveview) mode. And Nikon 1 sensor is too small by today's standard. That sensor size should be relegated to fixed lens point&shoot cameras.
marike6: The review is extremely misleading regarding the D5200's video quality. Video is dramatically improved over the D5100, yet surprisingly the D5200 and D5100 scores for video are identical. And the T3i / 600D scores significantly higher for video performance in spite of significant moire/aliasing, poor almost unusable AF and no HDMI-out. This is unfortunate.
Here is what EOSHD said about the D5200:
"The Nikon D5200 is the best mid-range Nikon yet for video. What is more of a surprise is the relish in which it takes on the much more expensive 5D Mark III, Panasonic GH3 and Nikon’s own flagship the D800 and D4."
He goes on to say "The D5200 is particularly welcome for budget shooters, since Canon have stagnated with their Rebel line. Now it is pay back time because the best selling DSLRs for video – the 7D, 60D and 650D – are firmly out-performed by the Nikon D5200. "
I will take DPR over EOSHD anyday, and 60i, no live aperture control are reason enough to rate the video lower than the competition.
There are better cameras for shooting video, including cameras with continuous AF which may not be needed by pros, but it's needed for general consumer market that this camera is aimed.
It's not a good camera for shooting video for general consumers (the intended market)
I would say DPR were too generous if anything
EOSHD definitely knows who I am because he tried to ban me on his forum (unsuccessfully) after I pointed out that no one should take his 2013 GH3 update at NAB seriously as his previous rumors (2011, 20102) were all false too. I also reminded him about his last two year false rumors and Panasonic employee drama on his forum. She was real mad because he was posting false rumors.
Guess what? I was right. This year rumor were false again. No GH3 update at NAB.
He deleted my posts and tried to ban me (without success) . Boo hoo
So yes .. he knows who I am
He is a hypester. See all the hype he is generating about MK III raw even though there are some serious issues (card issues, 30 minute to just convert 1 minute video etc etc). A day or two ago he was trying to mock Phillp Blom on twitter for not drinking his raw coolaid.
I am entitled to my opinion. EOSHD is the guy with a history. That is, he once claimed Canon T2i is just as good as F3. That is, posting false rumors and annoying Panasonic employees. That is, getting sued by Red for defamation. He runs a web site. That's all. He is not a pro film maker like Philp Bloom. I don't take the guy seriously.
As for you, we know you are a Nikon fan who is all upset because DPR didn't proclaim a Nikon camera the greatest thing since slice of bread. The reviewers are entitled to their opinion. They used the camera and gave it a fair review
D5100 is older camera. Time change and rating and expectation change with it. For example, DPR rate G1X and RX1 equal for lowlight score, even though we know that is not true. Do you see me whining about that? G1X is older and RX1 is newer and with time expectation changed. The rating system is just a "moment in time". Thats all. They are not to be taken as some scientific infallible system.
The fact is that you are just a Nikon fanboy who has been spamming this review for a while now. D5200 has pros and cons. All of them are detailed in the review. According to reviewers it gets Silver when all pros and cons are considered.
"Andrew Reid specializes in DSLR video, which is effectively what his entire website is about, and why Dpreview is interested in his opinions."
Exactly, what he does for living is run a web site. There are others who specialize in DSLR videos but they do pro work with DSLRs too .. not just run a website.
And marike6 is a Nikon fanboy (regardless of what he said above). Looks like his poor fanboy feeling got hurt because DPR did not award his camera greatest thing since slice bread award
EOSHD is an amatuer. You have not given me a single example of what EOSHD has produced professionally.
You know what EOSHD does for living? He runs a web site. That's all. He is no Phillip Bloom (who worked for Sky for 17 years and has been freelance professional filmmaker for just as many years).
What exactly is EOSHD resume? He runs a website. That's all. Phillip Bloom thinks EOSHD is a clown. EOSHD got himself sued by Red for defamation, and he has a habit of posting false rumors.
As for 1Dc, it's a DSLR first ad film camera second. It records 8-bit video like other low-end cameras. It is not a professional video camera.
marike6 : "Anyway, nobody cares. This thread is already pushed down the front page by What the Duck news items. Convenient...."
Conspiracy theories! I knew you had issues, but now I know what you are: A Nikon fanboy. No wonder why you were constantly popping up in other non-Nikon cameras reviews criticizing those reviews for not being critical
"He's tested the Canon 1D C, BMCC, the 5DIII Magic Lantern RAW update"
None of these are professional video cameras. Two of them ARE dslrs, and the third one is not even close to what can be called a professional video camera.
Also, I asked you to post what exactly he shot professionally -- for a job -- (even on low-end camera?). I have never seen anything.
Yes, D5200 has a better sensor (according to dxomark -- not everyone even believes in dxomark) than T3i, but the sensor alone doesn't make the camera. DPReview isn't reviewing sensors. They are reviewing the cameras.
EOSHD is not a reliable source. Anyone who claims T2i is just as good as F3 (which EOSHD once did, before the cameras was even released) isn't a reliable source.
EOSHD usually reviews lowend stuff. He has never reviewed any professional video camera. Can you point to any of his professional shoots? I have never seen any.
How are you comparing someone like EOSHD (a random blogger) with Phillip Bloom?
I am absolutely aware and funny thing is that EOSHD part in the review is the worst highly opinionated diatribe part of the review.
If you want to see more balanced review of 5D Mark III, see Philip Bloom review,
Philip Bloom (unlike EOSHD) is a real pro. EOSHD i(Andrew Reid ) actually is nobody. He is not a professional of any kind. He is just a guy with a website ... That's all
By the way, funny you didn't comment on what I said about EOSHD previous history (Canon T2i being just as good as Sony F3 acording to him, false rumors, annoyed Panasonic employee on his forum, sued by Red for defamation, etc. etc).
marike6: There is something strange a mid range camera with class leading IQ / video quality (D5200 is highest rated crop sensor camera on DxOMark, ever), or an absolutely loaded DSLR like the K-30 (100% Pentaprism VF, 16 mp Exmor sensor, weather sealing) being essentially rated as "Mediocre" by DPR.
What is DPR going to do when it reviews the Canon T5i / 700D, which has essentially the same IQ of the T2i / 550D released 2010? A Bronze Award? Or a Silver Award because it has a touch screen?
If DSLRs of the same class are to be judged by price/performance, you'd think that huge improvements in IQ and video (as we see with the D5200) or top end features like a bright 100% Pentaprism VF or weather sealing (like with the K-30) would put these two cameras at the very top of the low to mid-range of DSLRs. But for some odd reason they are not.
Fortunately most users are smart enough to do their own research and don't rely solely on one review site for answers.
Again you are posting your opinion as fact. D5200 actually has a pathetic OVF.
You are all over the place in these comments, and you are a pathetic Nikon fanboy. Grow up. DPR reviewers are entitled to their opinion.
EOSHD is a clown. I don't take anything he says seriously. EOSHD is the guy who a few years ago was claiming that Canon T2i is just as good as Sony F3. which he proclaimed (at that time) was over priced. F3 was not even released then. He also has a habit of posting fake rumors. For previous NABs (2011 and 2012) he was predicting Panasonic would release update to AF100. A panasonic employee repeatedly asked him on his forum to stop posting such false rumors as these false rumors hurt AF100 sales. I was there. I watched that drama on his forum.
This NAB (2013) he claimed Panasonic would release update to GH3 at NAB (another false rumor).
EOSHD was also sued by Red for defamation
I hope you are not comparing credible review site like DPR with a clown like EOSHD
marike6 : "Name me one Entry Level DSLR with a Gold Award?"
"For entry level DSLRs, the K30 and D5200 are two of the best made period"
That's your OPINION, not a fact. Read the reviews. The cons with both cameras are listed
I use Gimp
marike6 likes to harp a lot about dxomark, but D5200 scored like 84 points. There are like dozen cameras on Dxomark that score within 5 points of that score. 5 points on dxomark is only 1/3 stops. The image quality differences isn't as big in practical term.
Barry Fitzgerald: Too many limitations on these Nikon cameras some of which are quite important.No Auto FP/HSS, no wireless flash, no DOF preview and basic live view mode.It's also a shame about the small viewfinder..no in body AF motor and limited metering support on older lenses
No progress has been made on entry level Nikon's for years. Someone should tell Nikon it's 2013 not 1993 budget 35mm film SLR era.
marike6 likes to harp a lot about dxomark, but D5200 scored like 84 points. There are like dozen cameras on Dxomark that score within 5 points of that score
5 points on dxomark is only 1/3 stops.
The image quality "progress" isn't big compared to 3 years old cameras. The real jump was the 16 MP sensor