The Nikon lawsuit reminds me of Apple's "rectangle with rounded corners" crap.
The cameras (functionally, sensor, software, lenses, etc) have nothing in common.
MrSkelter: I am still surprised at this. Does Sigma not have an official license to Nikon's lens communication protocol? Even if not and it's reverse engineered why would the Df break compatibility?
What am I missing here...?
That's not true. You can license it from Canon and Nikon. Tamron and Zeiss officially license the mount specification from Nikon and Canon. The difference is that Sony's E-mount there is no licensing fee.
Sigma reverse engineers the mount and that's why they always have these problems. Sigma lenses had the same incompatibility problems with Sony A-mount.
Tamron lenses have no issues.
Jogger: Thank goodness for Sony supplying the sensor. If Oly had to rely on Pana sensors the EM1 would still be in the dark ages. At least now they can almost compete with Canon APSc SLRs on image quality.
Nikon APSc sensors (D5300) are still many times better though. Now Oly has to bite the bullet and license AVCHD from Sony/Panasonic.
GH3 has a Sony sensor
christiangrunercom: Why is the Ricoh GR left out ? It would have nuked all the others...
Plastek, GR ONLY has one focal length. 28mm. Nothing else. At 28mm RX100 is F1.8 and GR is F2.8.
That's exactly one stop more light on RX100, diminishing the larger sensor advantage for GR.
GR does not have image stabilization. A user can take better lowlight shots on RX100 as they can use slower shutter speeds handheld with IS combined with faster lens.
The FPS is slower on GR. Video is much inferior. GR is more expensive. AF is slower on GR.
Most importantly, unlike RX100, GR does NOT have Zoom !!!!
How would Ricoh GR nuke all others?
It has larger sensor, yes, but the lens is one stop less bright. RX100 at 28mm is F1.8. GR is F2.8.
GR does not have image stabilization (not even optical one).
No zoom of course.No 1080 60p videoMore expensive.
RX100 beats it, hands down
DT200: I think DPR did a good job here. I am always surprised at the number of people who deem Sony cameras to be "revolutionary" sight unseen (remember how SLTs were to take over the world and APS NEX was the end of Canikon!)?.There will be a small very happy group of people who wil love this camera, but for the majority of us, it can't do what we want, or does not have the lenses nor features we desire. There are a lot of great cameras on the market now, but that market is quickly going to shrink, and companies will pursue niches, high mark-ups and try to sell $1000+ lenses. We will see more of that (like the Nikon Df).
Thanks for confirming that you are banned account Everdog and Just Having fun as you repeated the same thing as you used to do with those accounts. And lets not forget Lab D account that you have been using too.
"for the majority of us"
Speak only for yourself, Everdog (aka Just Having Fun).
$1400 EM1 isn't a camera for the "majority" either, while we are it. The majority is happy with cellphones.
liviutza: Just as this debate was getting cold, I read the Galaxy NX short review; there they say the studio shots are done using a in-house available Pentax macro lens; I'd really say this reflects quite badly onto how they treated the K-3 so far...
There is nothing "unfair" abut these images. K-3 is being sold with 18-135mm kit lens, just as Ricoh gave one to a DPR reviewer in Huwei. DPR always use prime lens to test studio scene, as they did with NX and will do with K-3
DPR has used kit lenses to take sample hundreds of times before. More recently, A7 images were mostly with 28-70 kit lens.
Ge over it, guys. Stop whining like the typical buthurt fanboys
Galaxy NX images were taken in studio in Seattle. K-3 images were taken in Hawaii. They used the lenses given to them by Ricoh.
Gesture: "Samsung's lens collection is relatively small at this point"
That simply isn't true. I stopped there. Not to mention that you can fit thousands of legacy lenses to the NX bodies.
See Viking79 below. And it is a very rational line-up that hits a great progression of prime focal lengths. Who else has such an affordable 24mm equivalent, or 30mm and 45mm equivalents.
"Samsung's lens collection is relatively small at this point"
That's absolutely a true a statement, No third party supports Samsung mount either
naththo: I suspect this is a pre-production photos. It is not a full review yet with proper sample yet. Just have some patience. Those pre production sample won't be as nice as a proper review sample. When the DPR gets chance to get fully produced camera to do the review. DPR will get proper pentax glass lens for the full review.
These 6000 x 4000 vs 6016 x 4000 do not prove anything as different companies can use different crop raw even if the sensor is identical.
Nukunukoo: Curious to see how this Sony sensor compares to the Toshiba ones. Very tempting if the IQ is right. With a Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 + on-cam OIS, it could potentially be a great indoor Wedding shooter. Had the opportunity to work with a K-5 II and am very impressed with the low-light focus compared to my Nikons. I hope the K-3 keeps that feature, contrary to what posters here say.
Chipworks has not shown the design is that different. All they have shown is that the sensor was fabed by Tosshiba,
Zvonimir Tosic: It's 30-60 mm in 135 format terms — it covers both classic 35mm and 50 mm FoV, with extra few mm on both ends. To many this could be the only lens they'd ever need. And it's WR too.It also has a classic touch to it, with a Super Takumar focus ring type.
Posts like this is the reason why Zvonimir Tosic doesn't have credibility. What he wrote above applies to all kit zooms (some of them, like Pentax and Oly) are weather sealed too.
Just say that it's small, beautiful looking, optically high quality (hopefully), though expensive lens.
No need to make up nonsense
Ken Johnes: 500 $ for a silly firmware upgrade? and the target audiance for this camera have been waiting eagerly for this AF upgrade . wow, greed and trying to milk it´s customers with incremental upgrade are gonna hurt the big dogs here, both of em, look at what nikon is trying to do.
i think nikon and canon are competing with each other on how to sell less for more, while other companies are making innovative products at a fair price , no wonder these greedy top dogs have to make up for their loss with such silly act..
It's not a simple firmware upgrade. The camera needs to be sent back to a shop. Maybe some kind of complicated software upgrade to FPGA card that only technician can perform.
That should cost money.
naththo: Why not Sony put IBIS in camera like Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax and Sony Alpha series?
No E-mount camera ever had IBIS. It's probably not even possible with FF sensor in A7 size body.
tlinn: I wish there weren't trade offs (other than price) when choosing between the two bodies. Why no electronic shutter on the A7R? Why a composite body on the A7R vs magnesium for the A7? The A7 seems to have a better AF system too.
technical reasons with the sensor that they weren't able to solve. Possibly read speed isn't fast enough for electronic first shutter curtain.
Thomas Karlmann: Wow, I surely did NOT hear anything about a top-of-the-line 1Dx or D4 killer in the above discussion. The only mention made in reference to D4/1Dx was the A7r. Really? Do you really think that FF crammed into an E-mount body with no IBIS or IS is going to compete with a D4 or 1Dx? Do you think that those E-mount f4 lenses are going to trash everyones' f1.2, f1.4, or even f2.8 glass? I'm hear to tell you: ... NOT!
Funny you mention 1Dx and D4 and then IBIS as argument when neither 1Dx nor D4 has IBIS.
Seriously, dude, get your arguments straight.
Plastek: "what will happen if customers start to lose interest" - yea. What if Hype for mirrorless fades out? Sony would be really screwed. But not even nearly as much as Olympus.
Seriously, cgarrar, given your long history (RX100 --too little too late-, failure to predict GRXwill be a failure in market, glowing K01 intro that failed in market, etc etc etc etc), you shouldn't be recommending what companies should be doing to make money.
You don't have it in you
Horshack: Contrast the entrepreneurial spirit Mr. Maki exemplifies vs what Nikon is about to demonstrate with their forthcoming release of the safe and overpriced DF camera. Hats off to Sony.
"yep just a bunch of mindless magoons buying things because it has Nikon or Canon stamped on it"
No, dumbo, bunch of people buying Nikon as they are already invested in the system with a bunch of lenses. They will also recommend the cameras to friends and family. That's how the world works.
Funny you ignored what I said next that Sony will sell more than Pentax K-3;)
You calling RX100 "Too little too late" on the launch day shows that you are clueless who doesn't understand camera market. That was an ironic title for a camera that became iconic. Goes to show you are an idiot.
BayAreaWZ: It really is interesting that no other companies have come up with a similar product to challenge the RX100 and RX1. I love the concept of the RX10 (but not the price) and have an A7 on pre-order. Keep up the pressure!
R1 is older than X100, much older. And 1" sensor is twice bigger than X10/20, which are not even pocketable, like RX100.
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