Jogger: Sony A6000 looks best to me, esp. RAW and fine detail.
balios, these shots are taken at F5.6 .. all these lenses exceed sensor resolution at that step down aperture, so what you are saying is completely irrelevant.
Nick8: As a DxO believer, I noticed that Canon G7X has a higher DxO Overall Score than Sony RX100 III (71 vs 67).It is not a big difference in practical terms, but still an accomplishment, IMO.
Plastek , all modern Sony's sensors (starting with 12 MP CMOS sensor) have built in A/D converter built in in the sensor. Look it up. This is a known fact.
Some cameras may apply raw NR (such as Pentax) that may inflate the scores, but there is not much to do here. There is also color filter that might change the result (a weaker color filter would result in higher DR scores at the expense of color separation, ie some of Nikon cameras). That's about it.
AussieBarb: What about including the Ricoh GR in this line-up? You rated it highly.
GR has F2.8 fixed lens, but given most of these compacts are F1.8 at wide angle, the larger sensor advantage pretty much disappears. The only thing that is left is that the camera has no zoom and worse video..
dxomark scores are based on raw, not on imaging processor. And given the difference is less than 5 points, that means the difference is less than 1/3 stops, as 5 points equal 1/3 stop according to their site,. That means the difference is within margin of error.
stormy_weather: "The a7 II is the world's first full-frame camera with in-body image stabilization" ... really?
snapa: And for those not wanting go get into FF because of price, weight, size, there may even be an a6000 upgrade, with smaller/better/sharper lenses?!
If that happens, it will be another nail in Canikon's coffin. I know, it's only a rumor, but I will be getting one if it happens ;)
I don't trust the first link you posted, and the second link rates the rumor as SR2 -- which means the rumor is from unknown source, i.e could be a totally false rumor.
ProfHankD: THE QUESTION is: does this 5-axis sensor movement work with UNCHIPPED manual lenses? For their A-mount bodies, the answer is very foolishly no. I hope that Sony has not forgotten to put menu options in that allow users to specify the focal length of the lens so the IBIS can do its job without requiring a chipped adapter. This is absolutely critical!
"THE QUESTION is: does this 5-axis sensor movement work with UNCHIPPED manual lenses?"
Yes it does, you set focal length in menu. There is option to set focal length in menu.
tesilab: But does the shutter still make a loud "clack"?
A7 never was as loud as A7r -- as A7 had an electronic first shutter curtain.
russbarnes: Also, can't believe they've released this before further lenses...
"I don't want to use a body like this with an adapter where metering is guesswork "
metering is not "guesswork". This is not a DSLR that has a separate metering system. It's mirrorless where the main sensor is used for metering. There is no "guess" there. Metering should work pretty flawless
Macintosh Sauce: Too bad it will probably have the same crappy metal/plastic E-mount. :/
That mount is all metal like A7s, unlike A7 and A7r. You can see that from the image
Staxxx: The new zoom lens with this camera sounds like a good compliment for my RX1. Looks like I'm Sony all the way now....
The announced zoom lens is for A-mount -- not E-mount.
RichRMA: The first of its kind? How does it differ from the Olympus 5-axis unit?
It's Full-Fame mirrorless with IBIS. That makes it first
dmartin92: So it's probably a waste to get 4K if you don't have a 4K television ? That's my question.
SmilerGrogan, big difference between shooting movies in 5K and editing and releasing them in 4K. Movies are released as 2K. Given it takes millions of dollars to edit these movies, they won't redo them as 4K even if they have 5K unedited footage.
Red has been bragging about their 4K cameras for past 6 years, but I think at best one or 2 movies shot by Red were rekeased as 4K. I don't think any movie in 2014 so far has been released as 4K. If you know any, let us know, but I doubt it's more than one, if any.
Almost all Hollywood movies are released as 2K.. The 4K theaters just play the upscaled 2K movies.
Given it will cost billions of dollars to upgrade all theaters in large markets like India and China to 4K, don't hold your breadth. Holywood will continue to master/release movies in 2K, as they have been doing so far
Joe Ogiba: "Wow, it's amazing how clueless some people are. There are thousands of 4K theaters worldwide. "
These 4K theaters play 2K movies upscaled to 4K. There are no movies that are released in 4K, because there are millions of theaters all over the world that are 2K -- not 4K
No movie in 2014 was released in 4K, even if shot on 4K cameras. Hollywood movies are are edited/mastered in 2K and released as 2K. 4K theaters just upscale the 2K movies.
What 4K theaters? There are no 4K theaters in some of the world largest markets, like India with Bollywood movies.
In fact, no Hollywood movie in 2014 was released in 4K; even if shot on 4K camera, movies are edited and released in 2K.
SmilerGrogan: How are we all so sure that this is going to be such a rotten camera? I've shot with the C100 and the pictures I've created are pretty stellar.
BBC will sometime even except IPhone footage from it's journalists
I wasn't defending Canon until I saw you exaggerating about how bad "AVCHD" is like a moronic idiot. FS700 and C100 both AVCHD cameras have been used to shoot tons of music and commercials and weddings.
Stop exaggerating like a moron
Not with "external" recorders. There is no recorder on C100 that is being used to shoot documentary for CNN
Stop posting exaggerated lies about AVCHD. It might be bit outdated, but it has been used to shoot tons of commercials and weddings.
C100 is a pretty popular camera, and I have not doubt Canon will sell plenty of C100 Mark II
Doesn't matter. AVCHD can be edited just fine, and given C100 has been used to shoot bazillion of commercials & music videos is a proof of that.
You are now exaggerating BarnET. No, it's not impossible to edit/grade AvcHD footage.
C100 and FS700, both AVCHD, have been used to shoot tons of commercials and documentaries. So was unhacked GH3 (again it was ACCHD). Philip Bloom is currently using F55 to shoot a documentary for CNN, and one of the B camera used by producer is C100.
Stop exaggerating. Yes, Canon should have upgraded the codec primarily due to what competition offers, but there is no reason to doubt that C100 MarkII will be used by many professionals, just like C100 and C300 are being used already.
These are very popular cameras, indeed with low budget independent professionals, these have been #1 most popular rented cameras of 2014 so far, and will continue to be that way until Canon upgrades C300
Sdaniella: lol.too many folks confuse needs differ between Cinematography and regular videographye.g. the look of AF, wobbly like Pany GH4/GH3, no AF in 4k (GH4), or fast AF in sports (dSLRs, EOS 7DMkII), or smooth-n-slow pull focus as in Cine (EOS 70D) or fast smooth 'no wobble' AF in Cine/videography (EOS 70D), etc
e.g.Autofocus Comparison - Canon EOS 70D vs Panasonic GH4EunJae Imhttp://vimeo.com/96882002"Yes, I think both are working well. I just try AF Mode (49-Area & Custom Multi) on GH4 and it was bit more faster then 1-Area (center). BTW, AF is almost useless at 4K mode." - EunJae Im
Pany's AF in both GH4/GH3 is 'wobbly', unfit for serious Cine, but fine for regular videographers/handicamers where Cine-centric smooth speed-customizable focus pull matters, as would be the case for EOS Cine C-series users, or even 70D Cine users with smooth 'no wobble' Touch AF or AF racking
Sdaniella, FS700 is not small sensor camera. It's super 35mm like Canon C100.
FS700, FS100, and the newest FS7 all have AF with E-mount lenses, and they have PDAF AF with A mount lenses when using SLT adapter. These are not small sensor cameras.
FS7 is only $2000 more than C100 Mark II but check the specs. It does 60 fps 4K internal recording. Upto 180 fps full HD, and upto 240 fps raw with external recorder.
It does 10-bit XAVC internally and it can do 12 bit ProRes with external recorder