yabokkie: smaller at lower quality compared to D800/D600, but a killing feature that D800/D600 don't have is A7's can take Canon lenses.
The IQ of the A7r is as good as the D800, according to dpreview and other review sites. For those who are keen on using a small camera with superb IQ all in one package, the A7/r are the best choice right now. If you want faster AF you would either have to cut back on IQ (m34) or on portability/compactness (FF DSLRs).
ottonis: It seems that Sony's announcement of the FF A7/r has got Nikon very nervous, as they suddenly feel the need to come out of the woodwork and make this announcement.Anyways, once more, this shows how important real and tough competition is. Without Sony's bold move with the A7, Nikon probably would have made this announcement in 10 years, if at all.
That being said, these are good times for photographers, as there is plenty of dynamics and innovation in the digital camera market.
@King Penguin: i fully agree with that. I think that every big camera company has prepared concepts and designs and prototypes sitting in their closets, ready to get announced whenever they feel the need for it, i.e. when they feel the market is "ready" for such a product.
It seems that Sony's announcement of the FF A7/r has got Nikon very nervous, as they suddenly feel the need to come out of the woodwork and make this announcement.Anyways, once more, this shows how important real and tough competition is. Without Sony's bold move with the A7, Nikon probably would have made this announcement in 10 years, if at all.
Haha, reading a bit through the comment section, one can conclude that the new Sony A7/r must be the worst camera ever.The same people that have complained about the R1 being "not a serious camera" because lacking a VF, now complain about the A7/r's viewfinder.This is truly amazing.
On a serious note, the A7/r have addressed virtually all shortcomings of the previous NEX line (problems with WA lenses, slow AF, NEX menu, no sealing) and of the RX1 (slow AF, no integrated VF, no grip), and merged the best of both worlds (FF RX and NEX) into one small-ish, well-built, weather-proof and sturdy housing.
For the first time, NEX users who loved the NEX line because of the ability to attach all the nice legacy glass, can do so even better and on a FF body. The FE lenses are yet to come, but let's be honest here: The A7/r is primarily made for the enthusiasts with dozens of old great glass sitting in their closet, wating to be attached to a gorgeous, small FF camera.
ottonis: As an avid user of the legendary Nokia N8, I have been eagerly anticipating the arrival of the new Lumia Pure View installment , and I have to say that I am fairly disappointed by the1020. I am disappointed for two reasons: 1.) Instead of further increasing sensor size, they actually reduced it compared with the 808 (1/1.5 vs 1/1.2). I know that this was due to reducing camera size and making the device more svelte, but this is still just the wrong direction. 2.) Carefully looking at the samples, their IQ is disappointing, especially in low light (totally blown-out highlights). So, while this is probably still the very best camera in a modern smartphone, it's just an incremental improvement over the existing IQ of modern phones such as iphone5 or Galaxy4, while at the same time the gap between modern compact cameras (RX100, RX1) and the best cameraphone camera has further increased, which turns me away from carrying just one device with me (=cameraphone) for taking pictures.
continued..: If you consider the tremendous miniaturization process of modern compact cameras incorporating huge sensors (e.g. nikon coolpix A with APS-C and Sony RX1 with FF sensor) then I really cannot understand Nokia going backwards with regards to sensor size. It appears there is no real innovation anymore at Nokia since Damian Dinning left. The alleged improvements due to BSI technology are negligable in real life, so you HAVE to either increase sensor size and try to innovate around novel lens technology, or you have to be really innovative with sensor technology (curved sensors anyone?) if you want to be the market leader. Now , we have been waiting for more than a year for the 808 successor to come, and what did we get? Very little innovation compared with the 808. For that money (around 700 Euros) you could get a tiny Sony NEX3 with the tiny pwer zoom and call it a day.
As an avid user of the legendary Nokia N8, I have been eagerly anticipating the arrival of the new Lumia Pure View installment , and I have to say that I am fairly disappointed by the1020. I am disappointed for two reasons: 1.) Instead of further increasing sensor size, they actually reduced it compared with the 808 (1/1.5 vs 1/1.2). I know that this was due to reducing camera size and making the device more svelte, but this is still just the wrong direction. 2.) Carefully looking at the samples, their IQ is disappointing, especially in low light (totally blown-out highlights). So, while this is probably still the very best camera in a modern smartphone, it's just an incremental improvement over the existing IQ of modern phones such as iphone5 or Galaxy4, while at the same time the gap between modern compact cameras (RX100, RX1) and the best cameraphone camera has further increased, which turns me away from carrying just one device with me (=cameraphone) for taking pictures.
Charlie boots: Come on Google and Apple,
You have been handed opportunity on a plate.
If apple comes through with great software their mac sales will skyrocket.
Better don't count on google. They are the forefront of everything cloud.
Henry M. Hertz: you should be aware that some of the positive voices here on dpreview are actually from people working for adobe.
for example we have the "Director of Creative Cloud Evangelism at Adobe" here....
Excellent finding. You know that a company is going downhill when they have to resort to covert opration tactics (= shills, pimps and trolls who will praise the company without disclosing their affiliation). Dictatorships are doing this, totalitarian systems, and companies who are not trustworthy. Everybody is entitled to their opinion - even Adobe staff. But when they post opiniated statements without disclosing their affiliation, they are not voicing their opinion anymore but actively manipulating the public. Apparently, Adobe has decided to evaporate their reputation and credibility faster than any software company in recent history. Sending out the trolls to manipulate public forums and major sites is appalling and just low.How can I trust someone who actievely attempts to manipulate my mind? How can we trust these people when they say they won't increase subscription prices and that our access to local files won't be restricted by their cc policy sometime in future?Fool ne once, Adobe, shame on you, fool me twice...you know the rest.
Aside of Adobe's greed, the software subscription model (as an only option to use a particular software) paves the way for a very dangerous development. Just imagine how easy it will get to cut politically non-conforming people or groups from using professional tools.Just imagine what power a government gets to control what you are doing and to stop you from doing / editing / publishing pictures that may convey politically uncorrect or unpopular messages. The government just needs to call adobe and ask to cut certain customers' licences et voila - there you go, George Orwell. This alone may be readon enough to defend our principal human rights of freedom of speech and dismiss business models that may inherently allow for maximal control and patronizing of free citizens.
tdptdp: Adobe usually has 3 or 4 titles in anybody's list of most pirated software, and Photoshop is always one of them. I can't blame them for moving to a model that makes this less prevalent.
Looks like the pirates ruined it for everyone who wanted a boxed copy.
The opposite is true. Moving to the cc model, adobe is chasing away even those customers who used to pay for the software.
SteveJL: Hey DPR! Forget about the Poll and just send Adobe a link to this page. 15 mins on these Comments will tell the everything they need to know.
Here, let me help http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05/08/Adobe-CC-Creative-Cloud-Complaints-Poll-of-Photographers-Photoshop-users
You don't seriously expect them to listen to customer complaints? The only thing they are going to listen to is when their revenues shrink by 70% in the next quarter.People need to vote with their money.
A monopolist trying to rip off customers by extorting them with a subscription program. Beside the monetary rip-off, this is an attempt to cut freedom of people. I will upgrade when I want to uprade and not when a company commands and demands me to do so.Adobe has a track record of poor decision making, their flash fiasco being among the latest. Flash is in the process of becoming history and the company leaders a trying hard to destroy the rest.I wish dxo or any other brand will hire the soon to be released Adobe programmers/coders and develop their own software.Good bye Adobe. What you haven't understood is that while greed may be the driving force of economy, too much of it usually leads into disaster.
Good bye Adobe! Enjoy your new business model, but don't expect me to spend money on your extortion a.k.a. subscription model. As numerous posters elaborated, subscriptions do work only for people who need a software on a regular/daily basis. And just imagine a pro who needs to deliver a photo product IN TIME and just at that moment the internet connection crashes, the Adobe licence servers have downtime etc and because of that he fails to process and deliver his photos. I will support any company that is going to offer offline products for purchase, Adobe has just lost all of my sympathy and my money
Photomonkey: Sigma has done a great job of developing a lens that people have been clamoring for yet we get all sorts of carping about it not being FF, the aperture is "functionally f 2.7" they use "tricks" to get the speed to f1.8. and so on.
This lens IS f1.8. It IS large. It WILL BE expensive. Get over it and enjoy what they have done.
Well said! This lens is a definite breakthrough and it's great to have such fantastic options at our disposal. Of course, everybody will have to judge for themselves if the IQ and speed of the lens outweigh its size and cost. But it's really great to have the option!Well done, Sigma. Kudos to you!
DP-REVIEW, thank you for that great and detailed review.
It's ridiculous that some people here criticize the review because it has not considered their favorite software.
simon65: Yes but the problem is the NEX-7 is here now, and there isn't a decent zoom to pair with it now. How did a company of Sony's size end up making such a huge cock-up as that?
The SEL18200 is actually regarded as an excellent zoom. Are there really that many 18-200mm zooms for M43 systems with considerably better IQ AND considerably smaller size?