ChrClowes: Soft, soft interview - though I appreciate the breadth of questions, the interview itself seemed to follow a well tread path and it never really deviated from politician style answers where they never *really* answer the question - it's lost in sales jargon and reiterating the same point over and over again, except this time it drags on for over half an hour.
Personally, I think *most* of the issues you brought up could have been pressed for more definitive answers. There was continual deviation from Kenta to actually give those definitive answers and it was disappointing (I've seen videos of him to this before, no amount of smiling is going to hide the fact he lacks substance when he speaks). He's not much of a salesman unfortunately, and the soft-jelly type approach to the questioning never really got us anywhere either. This isn't investigative journalism, but hell - a bit of bravado and audacity to press the hard issues goes a long way sometimes.
Better luck next time, Dpreview
@ ChrClowes: I get your point but we need to consider that camera development ist an extremely volatile and competitive business: usually, they are developing several variations of prototypes of one and the same camera model and they certainly don't want their competitors to know what exactly they are eventually going to bring tot the shelves. Most of the time, they don't know either: they want to stay flexible in an extremely competitive and fast changing market - so they cannot tell you "we will bring out camera xy in 12 months from now and camera abz in 6 months. People need to understand how this industry is working.
Can the lens be operated in full manual focus mode, i.e. for zone focusing?
By the way, I fully agree with Mike Fewster that the IQ of the RX1 cameras is outstanding; IMHO it's not only the presicision/alignment of lens and sensor, but the sensor itself that makes a difference.I read somewhere, that the sensors used for the original RX1/r were selected "best" 24 MP processors, while the rest of the yield was used for the A7 series. This may also explain why RX1 got better sensor ratings at DxO compared to A7/II.
If the new RX1rmII also uses only the Hand selected "best of the best" 42 MP sensors, and if the lack of IBIS will lead to better heat dissipation (lower electronic noise) then we might expect the IQ of the RX1 mII surpassing that of the A7rII.
@ at all the haters here lamenting about test methodology or insinuating the tests were "bought" by Sony etc.:
The low-light AF tests presented here show what the A7R II is capable of doing when it's paired with lenses that MATCH the capabilities of the sensor! Just like you won't pair a poor lens (that maybe resolves 10 MP) with a 40+MP-sensor when investigating the resolution of a sensor.
So, the test presented here by Rishi/DPReview shows how well the sensor of the A7Rii is capable of autofocusing in low light - and the A7Rii seems to excel at that. That it needs a very bright lens for performing so well is the second main finding of this test.
I really don't know why some people feel bothered by that.
Disappointing low-light performance for a 1" sensor! Even the old and venerable Nokia 808 shows a substantially better image quality in the low light-simulation of the studio comparison scene.
Sangster: Would using a bigger light gathering lens to concentrate the photons onto the sensor reduce noise, ceteris paribus?
That's exactly what "speed boosters"do: they "concentrate" the light from a larger FF lens to the smaller area of the APSC sensor.
Ron Poelman: ETTR ?Well trolled, DPR.Since when is noise the primary reason for selecting exposure level ?Aesthetic considerations have nothing to do with exposure, right ?Just get the noise right and it's a masterpiece every time. Bizarre.
In case you haven't noticed, this DPR article is about NOISE!!And yes, ETTR is a means for getting quite a few things right, including but not limited to SNR.
Angrymagpie: Steve Huff claims the optical performance of the 35/1.4 easily surpasses the FE55/1.8. He did not specify this beyond "rich rendering" in his preview, but do you guys think we might soon be able to get a 35 AF lens that's both faster and visibly sharper than the FE55/1.8?
@ AngrymagpieYou are totally right that "rendering" is a very non-scientific and generally poor parameter to be used when trying to quantify the quality of a lens. Nonetheless, last time I watched steve Huff's site (where he reviewed the A7II) there were a few pictures taken with the Leica Noctilux which just blew me off my chair. They were neither partiuclarly sharp or anything but they had some "magic". In know, I know, "magic" is an even poorer word than "rendering", but I guess that we are talking here about very complex perceptional phenomena that somehow contribute to either like a picture or to be emotionally untouched by it. Or this is all just placebo )
I am sceptical because of two reasons:
In rangefinder cameras the VF is optical. Some people do really prefer to have direct optical view. This camera however is supposed to have an electronic rangefinder, which may turn off some potential customers.
Secondly, a FF sensor with a DR of 11 stops is quite mediocre as per today's standards.
So, the only truly compelling strength of this camera might be an affordable price that's not only much cheaper than LEICA but that also would compete with today's entry level FF cameras such as the A7 (mark I), which sells for a grand.
Anyways, competition is always a great thing, so let's sit back and see what this new gem will actually bring to the table.
Guys, this is an awesome video!!! Very well done and produced. It was a pleasure to watch. Please go on posting more of these real world video reviews!
I really cannot understand why some people are bashing Canon. The picture quality of samples that I have seen (especially that one portrait) is just awesome. This camera absolutely seems to deliver when it comes to high-end studio work, where you have the right lighting and proper tripod etc.Apparently, the Canon 5ds/5dr are cameras for exactely that purpose: great rendering and top resolution for studio works.
If it can be used as well for handheld street shooting at night? I dunno, albeit I dare to doubt it.
Anyways, the strength of the 5Ds/r seems indeed to be studio works where it might replace much more expensive medium format cameras. What's wrong about that? People who want to shoot street candids handheld at night may prefer the 6D or a Sony A7s. And those who need the highest possible resolution at controlled lighting conditions will certainly have a second look at these new Canon babies.
ottonis: First of all: terrific job with that comprehensive and sophisticated review, DPR! Hats off!
I have one question, though:
When using the studio comparison tool it appears to me that the D750 is on par or even slightly better than Sony A7s in low-light up until ISO 6400 -12800. THis is a huge feat, IMO, considering the A7s has been specifically designed to provide top-notch low-light sensitivity, low noise floor and high-ISO IQ.
I don't know how to read out the exif data, so someone may help me out: have the aperture and shutter speed been the same across the D750 and A7s for this particular studio comparison?
Thanks in advance and keep up the great job, guys!That being said:
@ Steen Bay: thx a lot! very helpful.
First of all: terrific job with that comprehensive and sophisticated review, DPR! Hats off!
Yes, C + N do have by far the largest market share, and this means that much more people are awaiting to see reviews for "their" camera brands compared with e.g. Pentax or Sony of Fuji. DPR is putting a hell of effort in their sophisticated reviews and it is just logical to direct most of their (limited!) resources to the largest possible audience, which definitely IS C + N users.
I am sure, if DPR had 10 additional high-profile reviewers, they would most certainly put that A77ii review as fast as any other review.
Everlast66: So DPR managed to make 2 reviews of the 3 month old Canon7D II, with the second review written specifically for the .02 firmware update,but still have not bothered to review the 7 months old Sony A77 II. Even the 2.0 firmware update of the A77 II didn't seem to be important enough.
No wonder Canon and Nikon have the biggest market share if Sony, Pentax and other smaller manufacturers are getting treatment like this.
phazelag: When I get bothered by the rude comments sometimes on a thread, all I have to do is come to one of these posts to realize the editors and writers take way more abuse any of us ever take. Its insane the lack of respect, thanks, or perspective.
Very true. The amount of disrespect and negativity is just mind-staggerIng. Dpreview makes reviews that are among the most comprehensive, most scrutinizing and best written digital camera reviews available. When they point to some technical or functional weaknesses, people cry foul and bias, Same thing when a review is positive, then it's again biased in favor of a company. When they post sample pictures, people moan about alleged lack of "inspirational art".
Most people don't even realize they are visiting one of the best technical digital photography Review sites worldwide. And man people have yet to realize that Dpreview focuses on technical and functional aspects of digital cameras.
I have to say the quality of posts in public forums has massively degraded within the last decade, and I believe IT has something to do with everybody and the cat now being connected with the interwebs, which was completely different 10-15y ago, wen only those truly interested and skilled in a certain domain were actually actively using the Internet.
rabbitzilla: I don't want IBIS. I want lenses, lot of them.
@rabbitzilla"I don't want IBIS". Hahaha! I have been waiting for that one! Oh man, Sony should apologize to its customers and to the world because of innovating the market and because of being the first manufacturer in the world to implement IBIS on a FF mirrorless camera. How shameful!
ipecaca: I bet all photographs are BW because color representation and noise are unacceptable.
@ipecacaEven cameraphones have an acceptable noise profile and color rendition when shooting in good light/daylight, which was apparently the case here.
ottonis: First of all, thanks for sharing these interesting and nice photos. I like them!
Secondly, the eyes and mind behind a camera are what makes 90% of a picture; the camera gear itself accounts for certain limitations, such as operational speed (e.g. slow AF may let you miss some shots, and the DoF is naturally very large with small sensor cameras). That being said, it is absolutely possible to make stunning pictures with modern cameraphones, within the boundaries of those above mentioned limitations. Some of my best pictures I have taken with a Nokia N8 cameraphone; not because its better gear than e.g. a dedicated DSLR/MILC but because its a camera you literally ALWAYS carry with you.
Thirdly, I really don't know what to make of all the negative comments posted below. Some people seem to have lost all their politeness. For example, people complaining about the title and pics not representing entire Thailand but a small part of it - come on guys, really?? Really???
@mgillespieYes, that's true. I remember Nokia having been caught with their pants down, when they advertised their new optical image stabilization system in one of their Lumia phones (I think it was the 920) and it turned out they indeed used a DSLR rig.Nonetheless, even if posting those pics of monkeys from Thailand has been an advertisement stint for Nokia, it does not take away the message that modern cameraphones are capable of some serious photography. While I think that Nokia has set some benchmarks for cameraphones, any other modern smartphone can take pretty good pictures, if used in the right way (e.g. iPhone, the Sony smartphones, Samsung Galaxy etc). I still think that fixed wide angle lens systems (such as virtually ALL smartphones) are NOT exactely the best choice for wildlife photography, but nonetheless, the pics posted here were not bad at all in my opinion.
continued:That all being said, I wish the photos posted here were of higher resolution, considering the Nokia 1020 provides 5MP worth of pics (with pixel binning) alongside the full 38-something MP pics (max resolution).
The B&W conversion is a matter of taste. The way it was performed in these pictures may not be liked by everyone, but it was the photographer's preferred way to convey the characteristic impression of scenery he saw with his eyes.
Some people have complained about the composition / fraiming. You have to consider that these pics have been done with fixed wide angle lens camera! So yeah, try to get close enough to fast moving or nervous monkeys with a wide-angle lens and then try to stage everything in order to get a great composition. It's almost impossible. That's why wildlife photography is dominated by lenses with long focal lengths. Considering these HUGE limitations, I find the composition of the pictures actually very good!
First of all, thanks for sharing these interesting and nice photos. I like them!