phazelag: I really like this camera but a 1/4000th shutter on a $2300 body is joke. These games are idiotic in my opinion and a big reason why started looking away from CaNikon.
I have a D300, D600 and a D800. I bought the D600 after the D800 because of a number of things I needed it to do alongside the D800.
!/8000 or 1/4000 makes no differences to me. I could probably even set auto ISO so that my D600 drops down to ISO 50 automatically and then I would effectively have 1/8000.
There are quite a number of things that make the D800 more 'pro' than the D600. The 1/4000th shutter speed "artificial feature" that you keep going on about is not one of them.
Do you have either the D750 or the D810 to actually backup what you are talking about?
You do realize that you can dial in ISO 50 which effectively gives you 1/8000, right?
And if you slap on a CPL at ISO 100 you get almost 1/160000.
Sometimes I think I will just scream.
Look, the "buyer" apparently has been "investing" in Lik for years.
So, let's say he goes to Lik and says "I want to buy this phantom shot in B&W. And since I have been a loyal customer of yours for years how much would you sell me one for".
Lik says "How about 6.5 Big Ones?.
Really, I mean is this guy just going to pull out his checkbook and write 6.5 with 5 zeroes on the end?
Personally, I think Lik is about to go bust and this is just a desperate attempt of making him look like he's doing just great.
Jogger: Better to have an RX100/G7X type compact that you keep as you upgrade phones and such.
Take care, Einstein. Next time it might not be an old lady but a guy with a knife that doesn't take too kindly to your style of "Street photography".
Are you some sort of a pevert?
If you take a photo of someone, then that's what you've done.
Lying about your intentions is not what Panasonic has in mind with this camera.
In any case how is it that you can fool anyone in thinking that you are reading an eBook when the phone is pointing at someone's face and your elbows locked in the photo-taking position?
Yeah right "Einstein", the lens on the "phone" looks just like a lens on a real camera.
Stick to Relativity or something.
Retzius: This week Sony releases the A7II with 5 axis IBIS and Nikon answers with...
wait for it...
The gold edition Df
Pretty much sums up the state of things in Nikon land atm
Sure, you get a lot of Likes and even a laugh out of me but people's memories are short.
Nikon was yearrrrrs behind Canon in coming out with a FF but look where things are now?
And take a look at the number of serious f1.8 lenses Nikon now has, which how many did you say Sony has?
GPW: Hey Nikon, If you really want to give us something to get excited about, give us a D400 with 10fps, D750 auto system, a 25 raw buffer and pro build. IDIOTS
You really know how to contribute to a thread which has nothing to do with a D400.
Maybe you should take the time to read the heading. You know, it says Df!
And why are you so angry? You're going to give yourself a heart-attack.
Enjoy your wait, moron!
If you are so smart why not get the Canon 7D II?
People are really sick of idiots who start threads with "Hey Nikon". And "Give us a D400". There is no one from Nikon here. Are you that stupid?
In case you haven't worked it out there will be no D400.
Nikon has come out with about half a dozen FX bodies in the past two years.
You can't get it, right?
And please, don't give us this sob story of how many Nikkor lenses you have invested in. Sell the system run by "IDIOTS", go to Canon and shut the F up.
What a great day.
Finally, all those Nikon D300/D7100 shooters waiting for the D400 can now finally switch over to Canon and shut the F up.
Congratulations Canon. Now you will have to put up with their continual moans and whines.
Langusta: I'm having a hard time finding worse camera in this price range.
How many cameras in this price range do you (and all the people giving you a thumbs up) actually own?
I'd bet the answer is zero.
The Smoking Camera: I can only imagine how much better the IQ would be from those other mirrorless cameras if it got the shot I was able to with the V3.
I think you deliberately missed the point.
People buy the V3 or anything else for their own reasons.
Whether the fps advantage is "at best a fringe benefit" or not, is surely up to whoever it is that is buying the camera.
But it seems that there are a determined number of people that keep popping up and have this constant need to diss the V3.
I don't have this camera, so I can't really comment on it. So, why do you feel the need to jump up and down and say things like "..doesn't outweigh the cost/IQ ration in any respect?
I am assuming, of course, that you yourself don't actually own a V3. Is this correct?
And please, don't go on about such and such's tests zoomed in 900% which shows this, that and the other.
I have prints (30x45cm) from a D70, D300, D800 and a V1, and I assure you that no one can tell the differences in terms of sharpness and color accuracy.
For the majority of things you are right. But there are things where 20 or even 60 fps will make a difference.
The other day I was shooting bees flying in and out of their hives with my V1. To get a "perfect" shot with a certain number of bees in flight AND being in focus is very much dependent on the number of fps.
It has very little to do with technique. It's simply a (high) numbers game.
Horshack: This is like apologizing to a child for being out of broccoli at dinner time, out of soap at bath time, and out of toothpaste at night time.
You just don't get it. Not everybody wants to shoot RAW 100% of the time.
My wife has a job where she needs to shoot discretely. She is always borrowing my V1. She doesn't know or care what ecosystem I have. I tried to get her to use the NEX but she refuses it. She can't figure out why the NEX kit lens is so big compared to the 1 kit lens.
The V3 would be absolutely perfect for her. She could do away with the EVF and have an even smaller camera than the V1, whereas I would prefer to shoot with the EVF.
About my photos, well, breathtaking to you they are not. However, many people would disagree with you. Case in point with the 1 system.
I really think you should look at the link I gave where I shot with the V1 and the 18.5mm lens. You would really be surprised just how good the IQ is (there is an option to zoom in on the photos). The bokeh could of course be better, but it's plenty good for what it is that I was trying to do.
Well, I also have a Sony NEX which has a larger sensor. But I no longer use it because it just doesn't do things I hoped it would do. For example, the shutter sound it makes is like a bomb whereas the V1 has a completely silent electronic shutter, plus a mechanical shutter. And the NEX IQ can be awful because the WB is consistently wrong. And please don't go on about shooting RAW. If I want to shoot RAW, I have the D800 for that.
On top of this I HAVE made comparisons between the V1 and the NEX. In good to normal light whatever differences there are is not worth discussing.
Regardless of what you think Nikon is trying to do, there is no point denying that the V3 is selling. It is selling and selling more than you and a whole bunch of people like you thought it would. And this is what you can't accept.
Actually, people do care how I shoot. I CHALLENGE you to look at my site http://www.thelightinbohinj.com/ and then come back and tell me that nobody cares how and what I shoot.
There's much more to a photograph than DOF. For example, the story it tells. But more importantly, the story that you are trying to tell.
Please, have a look at the link below where all the shots (except 1) were shot with a V1 and the 18.5mm f/1.8 (50mm FOV). But view it whilst reading the story.http://issuu.com/studor13/docs/hol_cambodia
Would I have gotten "better" DR and shallower DOF with my D800? Sure! But I was on vacation with my family and the last thing I wanted was to carry a heavy system all day.
Sad for Nikon? Certainly is not, because they can and are selling the V3 at the price that they want.
I just don't understand why people are annoyed with the 1 system. If you don't want one, don't get one. But a lot of people are voting with their wallets!
Lastly, from what I've seen and read there is not much difference between m43 and Nikon CX in terms of IQ. In any case where is there an 800mm VR f/5.6 equiv. for $1000?
BTW, I shoot my 85 f1.8 @f4 (CX 32mm f1.2 = f3.2)
What makes you think that the sensor is bad?
I have 30x45cm prints from a D300, D800 and a V1. Nobody can tell which is which based on colors and sharpness.
Lenses are not expensive. Show us a 800mm f5.6 VR/IS lens or a 85mm f/1.2 (FOV equiv) for under $1000.
And then compare the size differences.
Reilly Diefenbach: Looks like a lot more folks think this is a good camera than some of the experts here.
People on forums don't actually buy cameras with their own money but give advice on what others should buy.
I'd bet that even if the V3 came out at say $500 cheaper than where it is, "experts" here would still not buy one.
I started out with the V1 and one lens. I now have 5 CX lenses. When I've had enough of the V1 I will either get a used V3 or maybe even a V4 by that stage.
The CX lenses are really amazing for their size but people who have never even used the 1 system just don't know.
It's good that finally people are voting with their wallets and not with ignorant thumbs ups.
Retzius: The fact that this is still $300 cheaper than the Nikon 1 V3 really shows how insanely priced the V3 is with its 1 inch sensor...
Did you make even a quick comparison of the two cameras?
V3 vs DP2EVF (2.4m) vs NONE!1/16000 vs 1/2000Real grip vs some gripBuit-in flash vs noneTilting screen vs fixed60 fps vs 7fpswifi vs no wifiTouch screen vs just screen
And I'm sure there are more.
Whether these differences are worth $300 is for the buyers to decide.
And please, don't go on about the APS-C sized sensor. I have both the V1 and NEX-5 and I can tell you that IQ is not an issue.
Something is insane here but it ain't the price differences between the two cameras.
Retzius: Dumb dumb camera. Good technology but poorly marketed. Nikon had no idea who they are making these cameras for.
If you are an enthusiast you will want to use the grip and viewfinder. But, if you use the grip you have to remove it every time you want to change the battery and the tripod socket is now off-center. In addition, you can't use a Arca Swiss style plate.
The external EVF actually made the camera more expensive and if you use it now you can't use a flash... Dumb dumb dumb
OTOH, its too expensive for casual shooter or soccer moms when they can get a competent APS-C Dslr for half the price.
Nikon has no idea who they want to sell these cameras to. They are hoping to create a market that won't intrude on their slr sales but it is priced far too high to do that. The fact that they drop in price my 50% a year later doesn't help things much...
dumb dumb dumb
"I suspect it will mainly be owners of current Nikon lenses who want the extra reach that will be buying this (or more likely buying a massively reduced sale version)."
This is where we differ greatly.
The OP and all the other 1 system haters can't accept that people will buy a V3 at their current price.
Here is an example of someone who did buy and he also meets my demographics:http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-Digital-Camera-10-30mm-PD-Zoom/product-reviews/B00IYP9MQ6/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
He already has a V1 and a V2, yet he just bought the V3.
Whether we like it or not, some people have more money than sense. For these people buying a V3 is like going out for a coffee.