Sudo Nimh: DPR, could you please implement a cheapskate filter on this forum? I'm tired of wading through the it-costs-too-much whining.
Ideally, the cheapskate filter should also catch comments wanting new camera features (focus peaking, faster shutter, coffee brewing) through a free firmware upgrade.
..or maybe a moron filter, that way people who won't tolerate reasonable discussions about trifles such as consistent pricing and value can't be bothered anymore by such postings as they won't be able to access the site anymore.
GeorgeZ: It MAY cost more with the OVF than the EM5?It costs more even without it! The EM5 now is € 1099 here with the 12-50mm, the E-P5 will cost as much but with the 14-42mm.And if Olympus doesn't change its policy, that price will be the fixed price for the first couple of months, maybe by then the EM5 will even be further reduced.The P5 is certainly a nice camera but Olympus is asking too much. The PM2 can be found for almost a third of the P5, the E-PL5 for less than half- both with the same sensor/engine. I just don't get it Olympus.
Ok, let me spell it out:I know that early adopters pay a premium.I know the P5 has some improvements (and no weather sealing).It's the order of magnitude I'm talking about. As it is, it costs 25% more with the VF-4 and 14-42 than the EM5 with the 14-42mm.I'm a big fan of Olympus and their handling of jpgs but this constant over-pricing is not going to save the company. That's just my opinion, if you guys are ok paying 3x more for the same IQ it's fine with Olympus I'm sure.
It MAY cost more with the OVF than the EM5?It costs more even without it! The EM5 now is € 1099 here with the 12-50mm, the E-P5 will cost as much but with the 14-42mm.And if Olympus doesn't change its policy, that price will be the fixed price for the first couple of months, maybe by then the EM5 will even be further reduced.The P5 is certainly a nice camera but Olympus is asking too much. The PM2 can be found for almost a third of the P5, the E-PL5 for less than half- both with the same sensor/engine. I just don't get it Olympus.
santamonica812: I think this is a simple, but visually spectacular, composition. A well-deserved win.
...and it isn't PSed to death like so many other entries here.
GeorgeZ: Some constructive criticism:
page 3: With the addition of a pair of buttons, the E-PM1 still retains a compact camera look and feel as far as controls are concerned.>Should say PM2
Olympus' or Olympus's? It's gotta be either one.
As for the comment on the overexposed fill-flash: How can a reviewer say that when they are choosing aperture priority and f5.6? It would be a fair comment if it were auto mode, but if you're choosing AP you should know at least the basics (or be less sloppy).
I know I'm a pain in the butt but if you're always saying your reviews take so long because they are sooo painstakinlgy thorough, why do I always find several typos, errors and not working links within the first 10 minutes of reading it?
Bob, I pretty well know how things are as I work as a translator myself. It's just that when I say I take so much time for every step, I cannot understand why there are so many mistakes each and every time. If a review takes several weeks, there should be the one hour to proofread it. If they don't have the time, ask some student, they'll be happy to do it for the opportunity to be at dpr.
Some constructive criticism:
GeorgeZ: I really wonder what this news does here on the main site, this is at best stuff for Connect.It's been over 100 days since Jeff Keller joined, normally he does 10 reviews in that period of time, here he has done half a review- what is holding him back? Why are 2 former dpr writers now doing cell phone stuff? (Lars and Andy).I thought the amazon purchase would make everything better, I thought Connect wouldn't slow reviews down even more.End of rant.
Oh yes, painstakingly detailed. And then when I read a new review I find 3 typos and 2 dead links within 20 minutes. Come on!
Ok, if that's what you think. I consider this to be somewhat condescending towards Jeff who has done a ton of great reviews and only needs to learn the intricacies of dpr. If that takes a pro a year to learn....oh I better keep that to myself.I respect your work a lot but I am disappointed by the amount published, as are many, many others.You may not officially share my assessment but for years dpr has said that there will be more reviews soon. So.....
Well he said he would take Jannuary off and start February.Maybe he didn't mean the first? Anyway, I doubt you can say he's still in training, come on. Great to hear Andy spends his time doing lens reviews, I remeber a Pana lens that had it's first anniversary as a PREview ;-) And some others.Sorry to be such a pain but you have to admit this is getting really ridiculous.
Sam Carriere: How is this interesting, relevant or important?DPReview just seems to get hoplesser and hopelesser.I now consult it once or twice a week just to see how crazy or useless the most recent content is ... which puts you in the same league as Ken Rockwell.
Hi Simon, I actually expected that LOL. Well, I'm not running a photography site and have spend my time doing other things. But still, one news item would be more interesting, just as an example:
Olympus to kill off point-and-shoot camera line
It may be interesting but so far only 3 or 4 phones have ever had a real flash. Can't see a LED flash doing much. So no, this doesn't sound too exciting at the moment. There must be 100 photography related news that are more relevant right now.The KR comment was uncalled for though, nobody deserves that comparison.
Wow, this looks so natural (noot)
I really wonder what this news does here on the main site, this is at best stuff for Connect.It's been over 100 days since Jeff Keller joined, normally he does 10 reviews in that period of time, here he has done half a review- what is holding him back? Why are 2 former dpr writers now doing cell phone stuff? (Lars and Andy).I thought the amazon purchase would make everything better, I thought Connect wouldn't slow reviews down even more.End of rant.
Rupert Bottomsworth: A bit OT here but can't DPReview post items in chronological order?
It's not like they have 20 news items per day. For me, this is the least of dpr's problems.
Olympus just doesn't get it- the price is far too high.For the same price you can get a lot more in a DSLR.The PENs quickly drop in price, you can get a PM2 kit with the same IQ for less than half right now (€1.100 vs. € 500). Who should buy this camera at this price?It's nice and all but no value.
While it'S a beautiful camera- a EM5 in the PEN form factor, it's the predecessor all over again. Like the PEN2 and 3 the sensor didn't change compared to the previous model. At least they got cheaper, a lot cheaper when the new model came out.I't seems Olympus goes another direction now if the 5 will remain the only new model, so the current line-up will continue to sell for the same price and this will be a luxury proposition.What justifies the price? 1 more axis OIS like in the EM5? Without weather sealing this price is a joke.
The retro styling never gets old- love it!The wheel at the back will allow me to take the next picture? ;-)
kewlguy: cool, silver star for an expensive compact with mushy images...
>>Put that way the Silver Award seems less surprising, to me.
LOL I think it's a fine little camera but the reasoning for me would be as follows:It's a dpr review, so the silver star seems totally not surprising to me.
How many of the last 20 or 30 reviews of cameras beyond and including the enthusiast compact class have NOT got an award?There you see....
Great, the last HX series delivered pics as mushy as I've not seen in a long time, even at base ISO. Now we have more MP, same size sensor and even longer lens. Reduced to 6MP, these pics will be ok for many ppl, but this market segment obviously isn't beyond the MP race yet.
GeorgeZ: Yawn, every preview gets 3 news items now, IF it ever becomes a REview even a fourth one. There are articles on "review in progress". This is really ridiculous, what exactly has the amazon purchase done in terms of reviews? You even regularly mention the lack of review cameras when they are absolutely available from your parent company, what's up with that?
@Revenant: That may be how it usually works, but when amazon acquired dpr good old Phil said that there will be more reiews thanks to more staff and stuff. I.e. that they have easier access to test cameras. Doesn't look that way.