Olympus PEN is the main competitor...
And don't forget Sony has the BSI type sensor, so maybe the difference in IQ isn't as big as the delta in image sensors (and in good light, the difference would be very slight). I surmise the Sony would actually do better in low light than this camera with the slow kit lens, so you'd have to buy a fast lens to be comparable to the Sony (plus would need a zoom lens to match the Sony's zoom capability it has with its one lens)). This new 16MP M4/3 sensor is excellent though by any standard.
The 4/3rds cameras are plenty good enough in every way now, but when I look at the lenses, none "wow me". Canon and Nikon for example have certain lenses that everyone loves, not sure if 4/3rds has any/many such lenses now. The 12mm prime lens seems like a very good lens, and is light enough to carry on my R/C airplane, but $800 is a lot of "dough".
SaltLakeGuy: Across the board I see NO advantage of the 70D's output over my current OMD-EM5, in fact in most cases the OMD is crisper pulling better resolution. It's a nice try on Canon's part to improve upon the LiveView. Keep working on it I'd say.
Olympus current 16MP cameras are awesome...but they lack a mirror which many still like (I think I'd prefer an EVF). 70D just tries to catch up on live view / direct focusing, nobody claimed it had best in class IQ. But realistically, every camera that's in this new tool/scene looks very good, and in prints or display on a computer, they would be very hard to tell apart.
Russell Dawkins: I am curious to know if there is a technical reason that image stabilization is incorporated into the design of neither the Ricoh GR nor the Nikon Coolpix A.
Because it's a fairly wide lens...telephotos NEED stabilization, but as you go wider, it is needed less and less (think about it). If you are taking pictures of people, they move, and stabilization won't make them stop moving. If you are taking pictures of landscape, why wouldn't you be using a tripod? That's the logic for ALL cameras / wide lenses.
As a follow up to the msg I just posted.
I just compared my old Rebel 450d/XSi to the new 700d/t5i (in the Comparometer). At ISO 1600, the XSi actually looks better in the tricky red fabric area! The T5i looks better elsewhere, but I'm surprised how little better it is after so many years. I knew Canon is not "leaping forwards", but their progress is slower than I thought.Tool: http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
What I don't understand is that the Nikon 5200 for example is highly rated by DxoMark, but when I look at high ISO shots in the Comparometer tool, I think the various Canon 18MP sensors fare well against the Nikon (in terms of detail retention versus noise).
Better example - Nikon D3200 is very highly rated in DxoMark, but in the T5i review, it looks awful. The review says so, not just me:http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-t5i/canon-t5iA.HTM
So I wonder if DxoMark doesn't measure sensor performance correctly (wrong methodology). For example, maybe Nikon simply blurs their images more, hiding noise, but losing detail.
Or maybe Canon has superior firmware/processing which overcomes/hides their sensors' inferiority. But in the end, if the images look the same, what does it matter.
Anadrol: They could have at least put the new 20MP sensor in !
I found it odd too. I figure the 20MP will be used in a new 6 series - product differentiation.
LightCatcherLT: unless Sony changes it's idiotic menu system to something like Canon, Panasonic or Olympus have I will never use any NEX camera nor any of my friends will. It's simply unusable and source of constant frustration...
Olympus sensors (made by who?) have somehow caught up with NEX's 16MP sensor...I find it amazing how good the latest Olympus cameras are. I surmise Sony will jump ahead at some point and usually will be better in the future since the sensor is larger, and Sony has great sensors.
peevee1: So long and heavy for a slow all-plastic zoom...
it's amazing light for how long it is (I have the first version).
I find it odd that stepper motors are preferred...still can't get my arms around that. I'll take it for granted that they are better for video, but for still I'm unsure which is best...I thought steppers are slower.
Kinematic Digit: I was doing several overlays of the MTF charts and of course, Canon only publishes theoretical values so this must be taken with a grain of salt.
But based on what I've cross referenced, this lens might actually be a hidden gem.
Wide Open the new lens has better contrast than the 70-200 F/2.8 IS L II and the 70-300L
Tele the 55-250 is about on par with the 70-200 F/2.8 IS L II and almost identical to the 70-300L
This new lens falls off sooner at the edge in the overlay, but if you stretch the overlay to match (to measure the fall off performance at the edges), it actually matches the L glass in optical performance almost identically (some cases better)
I expect what you can produce on full frame with one of the L zooms will be tough to find worse with this one. Almost makes me question my L glass collection.
I find that I often shoot it at 55mm also....useful versus 70mm.
We (sort of) had a digital camera in high school in 1987 or 1988. It took many seconds to scan the images...around 20-60 seconds, so you had to sit very still. :-) I can't recall what it was, and I was just a kid...
Kodak DC360 was competitive and I almost bought it, but ended up buying the Olympus C3000 ($800 for 3MP). That was 1999, but I had followed digital cameras for a year before buying one - when the various sites were just coming online. I think it was steves-digicams who used to give prizes at multiples of 100k page hits (which took quite awhile to reach!).
BozillaNZ: As a long term Canon user, I already gave up on Canon's mirror-less attempts. I started looking at M4/3 gears for a long time and finally pulled trigger for a Panasonic GX1 for $229. The M4/3 lens ranges are far better than this and, oh, the GX1 can actually focus, FAST. Also guess where does the M4/3 fund come from? Selling some of the Canon lenses.
The Oly Pen's sensor is amazing (and Panasonic uses the same exact sensor?)... I never thought they'd be competitive, but (after years of Canon not moving forward on IQ), they (m43) seem to have the lowest noise (even a tad better than Sony's 16 MP sensor on the NEX) while retaining color saturation and sharpness.
Jefftan: Sony NEX 10-18 F4 225 gramCanon 11-22mm F4-5.6 220 gram
not as wide, not as bright and same weight
What's going on? Is this the best what Canon can do?Can't understand
Canon EF-S 0-22 is an awesome lens in every way, and my camera (XSi/450d) doesn't have any cheating (lens corrections) in the firmware. It's one reason I am tempted to buy another Canon DSLR.
Frugaltraveler: Sorry Canon YOU ARE LATE in the GAME. I left you LONG ago for micro four third.
Nikon seems OK, they just used the smaller sensor is all. I assume the new Sony backlit 1" sensor will be used on the next generation.
Also, obviously the 70D sensor will be in the next "M" camera...and perhaps will be the best focusing camera?
dwill23: People here do not have marketing degrees. Well, neither do I but I've had classes during my accounting and finance majors, and work with them all the time. When you're on top, which sales would indicate Canon and Nikon you don't have to innovate. That is why monopolies are so terrible for innovation. Your grandmas can tell you about the AT&T black phones that didn't change for 30 years.
Whereas Canon and Nikon may not have a monopoly, they certainly make up for the vast majority of camera sales. They rely on their branding and loyalty to sell cameras, and don't have to take such huge risks like other companies.
Anyone remember the Minolta SLR film cameras? They had tons of stupid gimmicks to try to get you to buy them, like the 'eye start' where it would start to focus as soon as it detected your face near the back and your hand was touching a metal band on the trip.
Canon and nikon are happy sitting on their thrones. Buy what will work best for your job/hobby.
Funny, some camera article this week said it focuses when you put your eye up to the viewfinder is my recollection. Seems like a good idea to me.My mom still has a few black rotary phones - they are super solid/heavy phones. You can buy large handsets like that on amazon for your iphone; etc...they surely won't last as long though.
Joe Talks Photo Gear: As a past owner of the GF-1 and GX-1 I say I would rather own either than dump $999 for the latest iteration. Let's look at it in say 9-12 months when it's selling for $599 or less. Panasonic lost its mojo quite a while ago. Olympus took it from them. Don't want to believe this? Just look at the recent $200 off of the GH3.
Is this a new sensor or the same as the recent Oly cameras? I like the Oly Pen cameras. Paired with a wide light prime lens, I could use them on my R/C airplane and quad-rotor. I need to compare features with NEX though - an on-camera HDR mode in continuous shooting mode (or continuous bracketing and do in post processing) for example would be nice to have.
I wonder how lower the noise would have been with 20mp instead of basically 40m pixels (and associated light-blocking circuitry).
I'm thinking .5 stop or less since the circuitry on a normal sensor doesn't block a full stop is my understanding.
Yields might be lower than a "normal" sensor.
I wish the AF was the same (sensitivity) as the 6d - why do they need to dumb it down just because it's APS-C? For a few hundred more, the 6D might be the better way to go (if you don't have APS-C lenses like most of us do...).
The comparable Sony is only 9.5 ounces. I haven't check lens weight. The NEX are somewhat popualr to use on muti-rotrs ("drones").
I found elsewhere a picture of the LCD. The arms are scary - will they break too easily? And I surmise the wiring runs inside the arms, so the wiring might fail even if the arms don't...
Camediadude: This is more like it. Please get back to your roots, dpreview, by sharing more great photo stories like this.
I've been on these sites since the year they started, and covering cameras has been the focus. I remember when steves digicams hit 1m hits. He used to give gifts at milestones...was 1m the last milestone or 100m? I think it was only 1m hits - seemed huge at the time!
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