Kevylloyd: The image of the "menu/ok" button on page 2 appears to be from the X100 rather than X100S notable by the word "drive" (missing on the X100s and replaced with "AF")I'm hoping this signifies swift AF point selection may now be possible.
That's an image of the pre-production X100S we were shown (and it matches the press images we've been supplied). However, it seems to be something they're still deciding on.
samhain: Bravo Fuji, bravo! Unfortunately, no adobe raw support= no Fuji camera for me.
No Adobe raw support is an exaggeration. There is Adobe support for X-Trans, but it doesn't always render fine detail as well as it could.
ogl: Shutter speeds 1/8000sec with Shutter Priority, Aperture Priority,Manual Exposure, and combination of electronic shutter enabled
Physical shutter - 1/2000th maxElectronic shutter - 1/8000th max
We've updated the specs to clarify this.
grafli: Well, Pentax bought Ricoh. In my eye's this is the next Ricoh GR Digital.Focal length steyed the same, the aperture got a little better (1.9->1.8)An they gave it a zoom lens!And of course they built in the typical Ricoh 1cm macro!
Well done Pentax!
I think you'll find Ricoh bought Pentax.
There are also disappointingly few Ricoh fingerprints on this camera. If it had the GRD interface (still one of the best compact camera interfaces) we'd be a lot more excited.
acuberosm: The camera the same lens, the same sensor and the same screen as the Olympus ZX-2. Probably these cameras were made by the same manufacturer.
It's almost certainly the same sensor/lens module (as we say repeatedly in our preview). It's not the same screen - the Olympus one is touch-sensitive. It could be made by the same manufacturer but it's not certain.
wStudios: This is cool, but mobile forums is what I really need. Like many other people I only visit this site on my phone.
Those are coming soon.
TheProv: The screen isn't 16/9. It is an AMOLED 15/9 3,3" and 800x480 of resolution.
It has 384K pixel, but only 768K subpixel (or dot as you like) because it's a pentile amoled and not an RGB.
It's the same screen Samsung already used on Wave S8500 smartphone.
The only thing we got wrong was the aspect ratio - I had forgotten WVGA is an odd aspect ratio - wider than 3:2 but not quite 16:9. The rest of the detail is already in the story.
Timmbits: In the conclusion: "The Fujifilm X10 is also worth a look for two reasons - its excellent lens, and an EXR sensor which offers the option of incredibly good dynamic range and somewhat better high ISO image quality than its peers. The tradeoff is that you only get these benefits if you're happy to shoot at 6MP, and the way in which the EXR functionality is implemented can be confusing."
That overlooks the third EXR mode at 12MP, and more importantly, overlooks the Advanced "PRO LOW-LIGHT" Night Mode which combines 4 exposures to give great 12MP images.
DPR, could you please confirm that these modes are common to both the XF1 and the X10, just to make sure? Thanks.
The HR mode essentially isn't an EXR mode, in that it's just doing what almost all other cameras do (it doesn't make use of any special properties of the sensor or colour filter array, it's just a full-res demosaic).
The Pro Low-Light mode is on both the X10 and XF1 but we didn't have the time or space to go into every single feature on every single camera. Multi-shot noise reduction (which is what Pro Low-Light mode essentially is), isn't unique to the Fujifilms which put it beyond the scope of this roundup.
Marty4650: The only camera on that list that represented something totally new and innovative is the Sony RX1, so it got my vote.
Everything else was just a refinement of something else.
Perhaps, but refine something enough and it can be something pretty special.
Jerra: Sony RX100 vs. Olympus XZ-2? What would you choose in which situation and why? And yes, I do care about ergonomics and stuff.
We've certainly not had that problem. Or, at least, no more so than we encountered with all the other cameras. Without seeing the scene, lighting and target you were trying to focus on, it's hard to know whether it a problem with your particular camera or is something that all XZ-2s or all compacts would struggle with.
enkah: When will the final REVIEW come? I'm waiting so long?
Greetings from Germany.
The camera only arrived this week, so it hasn't been possible to even start reviewing it until three days ago.
Sorry about that, but Canon announced it a long time before it was meant to be available and seemed in no hurry to get it to us, once it was.
bzanchet: Benn using the RX-100 for 2 months, I.Q. is really impressive, the video performance is the best I've seen, but the pictures' colors are so cold and dark on auto mode. I could see a huge difference in this test with the real world samples against the other competitors, the Sony is the only one with a wierd color.On P mode and after a extensive research I manage to make it a little better, but still misses warmth and live. I hate post processing, so JPEG are essential to me. But my wife thinks is really boring to wait for me to find the perfect setup for each photo...I had a S100 but exchange due lens error and the 24fps video (terrible without tripod), but the pictures colors were nicer than RX-100. Size is also essential to me so the Fuji XF1 maybe could be the last option for me, but the powering system is too anyoyng...Maybe next year the perfect camera for me might show up :)
@bzanchet have you tried setting the RX100 to always bias the white balance a tiny bit towards the Amber end of the scale?
It's not the perfect solution but worth a try.
Timmbits: I'm really skeptical at their "conclusions". They seem to have simply "forgotten" that the Samsung has a f1.4 lens, like the LX7. Both of these should have rated better than the S110, and the Samsung been a better alternative to wifi which the canon has. Also, I find that DPR is confusing EXR mode with Night mode. EXR isn't just "night". A subtle "mistake" to slam the manufacturer and favor another? Either this is going on, or the reviewers aren't paying attention. Pick one. Neither bodes well for an eroding reputation.
With regards lenses and sensors, we tried to make clear that the S110 is limited in comparison to the opposition, in that it has a slower lens than any of the others. However, it is nice to use and is /significantly/ smaller than the opposition. Hence we recommended the RX100 or, for a cheaper option, the S110 /if/ your priority is having a really small camera.
If you're willing to accept a larger camera, then the others come into play and significantly out-muscle the S110. We've tried to make that clear.
EXR is only 6MP - the cameras can do a DR enhancing mode in 12MP images, but it's not EXR, it's a different system more like Highlight Tone Priority on a Canon DSLR (it halves the shutter speed and uses a different tone curve to pull the exposure back to the correct brightness).
Jefftan: I download all the wide angle pic and conclude that the best are fromRX100 and P7700
A high cost and low cost pic
So long as wide-angle image quality is your sole criterion. I'd argue there's more to a camera that that, which is why it took 12 pages to reach a more nuanced conclusion.
schaki: Nice test, but really, why is not Ricoh GR Digital IV included? fixed focal length or not, it belongs to this group of capable compact cameras.Hoping to get a good explanation from Dpreview staff and not some 'it is too old' or similar answer, as it still is an actual camera model from Ricoh in the waiting of the GRDV which should be announced in the first half of 2013.
Clearly you already understand why it's not in here, even though you'd like it to be.
Having a prime lens means it appeals to a different audience (which makes it less relevant for a side-by-side comparison). This also makes it hard to say anything useful about it - it can't be compared on the same terms. And, as you say, it's also getting towards the end of its life, making it irrelevant if Ricoh creates a GRDV in the next few months.
Each camera we include adds significantly to the amount of time taken to produce the article, so we have to draw the lines somewhere. I'm afraid that meant excluding the GRD on this occasion.
rick01: I've been considering the panasonic fz200 and I'm wondering if the sensor size in it would be smaller due to its larger zoom range then some of these cameras ? And how does the quality of the images compare? I can't seem to compare the images of the Panasonic fz200 to the Sony rx100 or olympus x2 in the full review on the Panasonic.
Try clearing your cache - that should force your browser to update the list of available cameras.
The FZ200 has a 1/2.3" type sensor, which is around 6.17 x 4.55 mm - around 1/3rd smaller than the 1/1.7" type used by most of these models.
pizzolog: Tues, Dec 18, 2012I agree with topstuff, The Sony RX100 is truly in a different class. In spite of the fact all of these cameras and The RX100 are put together in this same article, dpReview also agrees with the premise topstuff puts forth, dpReview will not allow the RX100 to be compared with any of the other eight cameras on the RX100 conclusion page. The Sony RX100 is an engineering marvel. Sony has performed the unimaginable astonishingly well, but apparently blundered in doing the easy things badly, such as:Vague clickless control dialUnpredictable flash meteringLack of ND filterNo lens filter optionConfusingly playback stills, MP4 and AVCHDIrksome lag zoom in playback.No hard copy manual. These apparent quirks, on paper at least, seem to keep the RX100 from being the GEM it should be. I hope that the RX200 overcomes all of these relatively simple shortcomings; then perhaps I would not mind spending $649. The $299 Lumix LX7 is the better purchase and a great camera.
The RX100 doesn't perform at its best at the close-focus distances we use for our test scene (which is exactly why we're developing a new test scene).
We shot it many, many times at different distances, focal lengths and focus positions to try to get the best results. Sadly even those best results are not ideal. I'll add a note to make this clear as we did in the original review.
clcochrane: Am I missing something, or is there no way of navigating to the review you wish to read from within this otherwise very useful article?
It's a bit frustrating having to guess which page of the article refers to the G15 or P7700, etc. Could you change the navigation to include shortcuts to the individual pages which include the camera's names please?
We're aware the navigation system needs improving and it's on the (rather long) list of improvements.
In the meantime, we've put a list of cameras on the first page that links through to the relevant page. It's not ideal, but it should make life a bit easier.
With regards the Fujifilms, please let me know where you think we've mistaken EXR for night mode. I wrote the EXR sections on the XF1 and X10 and I discussed both the SN and DR modes so I'd be interested to know where you think we've gone wrong - I'll clarify the text if needed.
However, when it comes to the EX2F, we're not going to agree. You're welcome to be as skeptical as you like, but us not agreeing with you is not evidence of bias.
The problem is that it's not as good as its specifications suggest. Simply having a F1.4-2.7 lens doesn't automatically make you the winner, or we could have saved all the time we spent waiting for the cameras, testing and shooting with them, and just declared a winner based on numbers.
The S110 is, without a doubt, a better camera than the EX2F, if you want something small (the area we highlighted it in). The EX2F is considerably bigger, meaning it has to compete with the LX7 and XZ-2, both of which are also better cameras.