Expat Nomad: @R Butler. It doesn't seem to be mentioned (apologies if I have missed it), but did you use video at all? If so, how did you find it to be?
I've not used the video a great deal - I was a bit pressed for card space and don't tend to think in terms of video.
I'll be shooting some, though, so will cover it in the review.
piratejabez: I'm very impressed with that panorama!
It's done a really good job in this example. I've got another one (that will be published in the full review gallery), that includes some buildings, where it struggles a little bit on hard egdes.
Generally a really nice feature - though it's a shame it hasn't been included in the X-M1 and X-A1.
wyldberi: What's with the staff here at DPReview that they can't find time to review a significant new camera that was released nearly 5 months ago? From the comments posted here, there's obviously a strong interest in such a review.
@AbrasiveReducer - Our motivation isn't whether people want to buy something, but whether they want to *read* about it. There's some overlap, of course, but the two things aren't quite the same.
Regardless of how many people end up buying it, there was enormous amounts of *interest* in the Df, which is why we prioritised it over this camera.
@Northgrove - it's a fair point that it shouldn't have taken so long, but I was working on the Nikon Df until just before Christmas, then shooting with the X-E2 on my vacation. With all the fun of CES, helping publish the a7 review and an E-M10 preview, I've not had the the time to focus on this camera.
Now this is done (and I've seen sites publish much less and call it a 'review'), I'm hoping to finish the review in the next week.
There are three other reviews nearing completion as well, so we won't be quite as far behind, once they're all out.
nekudza: Could somebody tell - does it have low-pass filter?
We've seen nor heard anything to suggest it doesn't.
Carinik: Someone can confirm that OM-10 cant do 1080p60?!
All the specs we've seen say 30p and there are no menu options to specify a change of frame rate.
b craw: Richard, I enjoyed the preview; thank you. Seems like this model does provide reasonable value. As you suggest in a comment below, I , too, believe that the the few incremental improvements in features might well be worthy of consideration, potentially outweighing the lack of a weather-sealed body, at least for some consumers.
One question: you mention, although very briefly, the inclusion of the sensor triggering the switch from EVF to panel display viewing. Even my older Panasonic Lumix G2 has this. Is this not a feature we should now expect as standard, particularly in cameras otherwise possessing mid-range feature sets? I know the lower end, bare bones Sony A3000 lacked this - and even it caught some flack because of it. Are there any other mid-range cameras that lack it at present?
Thanks for your kind comments.
I'm not sure which section you're referring to, about the eye sensor. The only point I can remember making was the fact that this sensor is over-ridden if you flip the screen upwards - meaning the screen doesn't suddenly go blank if you hold the camera too close to yourself or brush a finger too near the eyepiece. It sounds obvious but it's not always done that way.
ybizzle: Buy a new EM-5 body for $799 (B&H) or a used one for $500 and call it a day. Pricing for this doesn't make sense when the body is only $100 cheaper than the EM-5.
Though if we were playing the 'which camera should I buy' game, I'm not sure I'd go with the E-M5, personally.
The rear screen on the E-M10 is better, the EVF's behaviour is rather nice, it has a built-in flash and Wi-Fi.
Would I choose that over weather sealing (which I rarely benefit from), an accessory port that can only be used to add a mic to the camera (I don't shoot much video), and the ability to add a battery grip I never felt I needed, when testing the E-M5?
Probably, yes. It would depend a bit on how well the 3-axis system works, but I could put that $100 towards an external flash, (rather than having to faff around with the clip-on one). Or better still, put it towards the cost of a lens...
I'm not saying that would be the right choice for everyone, but the fact it's not clear-cut, suggests the E-M10 is pretty attractive.
ybizzle - I'm not making an argument that anyone should buy an E-M10 over an E-M5.
But the prices today are only relevant if you're buying a camera today. Soon enough the E-M10's price will drop a bit and the E-M5 will either be phased-out or replaced - either way, the pricing *does make sense*, because for most of the product's life, it'll be cheaper than the model above it.
As I say, it's usually even harder to recognise, because the preceding model (or an older, higher-end model) is actually cheaper, *on the day a new product is launched.*
However, unless you're inexplicably determined to pay the list price, the day a product is announced, it makes more sense to take the long view.
X Faktor Photo: "The X-T1 is the first digital camera to support the super-fast (and expensive) UHS-II standard, according to Fujifilm."
I just googled UHS-II and the Panasonic currently holds the market on them, rated at a mere 200Mb/s write speed.
Now, if that's not a typo error, then that means it's just 25MB/s, because "Mb" denotes megaBITS, which are a heck of a lot less than megaBYTES (MB).
That said, the Sandisk Extreme Pro cards still own the market, at 160MB/s, at least for CF, whereas I know they make 90MB/s SD cards.
If you're talking about Panasonic P2 cards, they're rated as being able to sustain at least 200Mbps write speeds - it's not stating their maximum speed.
[These 260MB/s read /240MB/s write cards](http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/7/16/Toshiba-Exceria-Pro-fastest-SD-cards-UHS-II-up-to-240MBs-write) should give you an idea of where UHS-II is going.
Kurt_K: I know it's not weather-sealed but is it metal or is it plastic?
The Olympus press release says it's metal, but there are so few expanses of exposed body, it's hard for me to be certain.
The E-M5 has been on the market for two years - its selling a long way below its list price (just as the classic product lifecycle graph tells you it would), and probably about as low as it'll go, the odd overstock special offer aside, if it's superseded.
Yet the E-M10's *list price* is $100 cheaper. It's already below a really low price for the E-M5 and there's only one direction for the price to go, once it's on the shelves.
Usually I have to spend two paragraphs stressing that it's meaningless to compare the depressed street price of an old product to the (ambitiously high) list price of a new model, because that state is short-lived. Here the cheaper model's list price is lower, even on day one - the gap will only get wider.
mufflon: cmon, whats that size comparison about?
nikon 18-140 vs 14-42mm?? WHY?this would be the right test: http://camerasize.com/compact/#490.36,521.92,ha,t
in fact there are much smaller MFT lenses -> http://camerasize.com/compact/#490.36,521.409,ha,t
thats a DRAMATIC size difference and this is in my opinion a fair comparison.
mufflon - the 18-140 was all we had for the Nikon, so it's what we had to use. That said, those are the main kit lenses for those cameras (in the US market), so it's not *that* unfair.
G1Houston: Richard, in your final review, please tell us:
1. Can we use EC, in M-mode when auto-ISO is enabled?2. In Movie mode, set to M-mode, can we use auto-ISO?3. Is there any banding issue with the Pan 20/1.7?4. Can the 3-axis IBIS be used during videos?5. The video quality in terms of lack of artifacts. I can live with 30p as long as the footage is of reasonable high quality that is sharp and clean.
No Exposure Comp in Manual, I'm afraid.
I'll write those down - I was planning to cover Auto-ISO in manual mode in the preview, but ran out of time. I'll see which of those I can address when I get into the office.
108: Seems to provide more space right of the backscreen for thumbrest and buttons than the EM5, which is a good thing. Hump is better designed. But at this price one can find one year old EM5's on second hand market.
When a manufacturer refreshes (or creates) a junior model, it's not uncommon for the next model up to initially be cheaper, if it's been on the market for a long time. It makes my job a nightmare because, on the day of launch, I have to explain why I'm saying the junior model is going to be cheaper, even though it isn't, for the first few weeks.
The fact that the E-M10's *list price* is below the *street price* of a model that's two years old, suggests that over most of this camera's lifespan, it'll be considerably less expensive than the E-M5-class model.
Hiding the Super Control Panel really is baffling.
But this is something Olympus always does, for reasons no one can explain. We Olympus users just accept it, and enabling the SCP is the very first thing we do when we open the box.
It really is hard to imagine why they hide one of their very best features. It isn't hard to enable this feature, but it certainly isn't intuitive. You need instructions to do it!
Perhaps buyers in the Japanese market don't like using a shortcut menu? It really is hard to understand why this useful feature isn't set as a default.
Having said that, this is really a very minor annoyance. Nothing like oily sensors, left side focus issues, light leaks, or grip coverings being allergens.
Hi Marty - I agree that Olympus users will know how to engage SCP, but if this camera is to be a success, it'll have to sell beyond the existing user-base.
With SCP engaged, the camera is really quick to use - especially compared to the likes of the D5300 (one dial and a whole world of button pressing), but if only the select few ever work out how to get rid of the cheap-compact-style 'Live Control' system...
Mal_In_Oz: This article is suggesting the EM10 sits below the EM5 in the OMD lineup. But does that mean it is a new line separate from the EM5? And if so, why didn't they call it the EM100?
And most importantly, will we see an EM5 replacement, because in form the EM10 and EM5 are very close? The features that are missing are all bundled in the EM1 which doesn't leave a lot of room for an EM6.
Come on DPR, ask the hard questions...
Sorry of it isn't clear. The E-M10 is a new tier, sitting below the E-M5. The M1 sits above both of them.
Given how much of the M5's tech is now in the M10, at a lower price, it seems obvious that the M5 will need to be replaced at some point.
dvdennin: Why does dpreview parrot the camera companies in reporting the "dots" in a viewfinder? Why not just state the resolution? No end user ever uses the "dots" concept. We think in terms of pixels, and more specifically, resolution as horizontal and vertical. 2.36 million dots. Thats roughly 1000x800... or so I guess. This is one of the more annoying practices on this site.
More to the point, there are multiple designs that don't always give the same number of pixels.
For reference sake:2.36m dots is 1024x7681.44m dots is 800x6001.23m dots is 640x480 (RGBW)1.04m dots is 720x480920k dots is 640x480614k dots is 640x480 (Pentile - not all colours at each pixel)
Until a few years ago, companies would say 'pixels' when they meant dots.
kadardr: DPR:"it's pretty clear that Fujifilm doesn't see the X-T1 as competing with mirrorless cameras, but with the enthusiast-level DSLRs such as the Canon EOS 70D, Nikon D7100, and Pentax K-3." 70D: $1199, D7100: $1147, K-3: $1049, Fuji X-T1: $1299 (body only). My heart is with my wallet.
Or, if compared at list prices on day of launch (which is the nearest to a meaningful way of doing such things):
EOS 70D $1199D7100 $1199K-3 $1299X-T1 $1299E-M1 $1399
The E-M1 is clearly rather ambitiously priced, but the others are within $100 of each other (8% more) so, once the X-T1 has been on the market for a while, you can expect it to be very similarly priced. Certainly close enough that it would be odd to make price the decisive factor.