LJ - Eljot: I don't understand what poeple complain about the menu system of the Olympus cameras. You press the "OK"-button and you get an on screen menue which has everything you need. This thing is great. Once set up to your likings, you will allmost never have to use the real menue again. The good thing is that you can customize the camera to a great amount. the menue system is a great thing ybout the Olympus cameras.
pacnwhobbyist - while that is true, it's also the case that the High Quality mode that you can easily access is comparable with the best most other cameras offer.
b craw: I'm certainly not going to take things to the level of grease wrestling over conclusions derived in a subjective analysis...
Under 'cons' for Samsung NX500: "plasticky"-it has an aluminum top plate, the rest polycarbonate. By comparison, the Sony A6000 (an otherwise well-featured and great performing camera) feels like it is constructed from plastic milk containers. Yet, "plasticky" is not listed in the cons for it. Add in "good ergonomics" listed for the A6000 (and not for the widely-regarded ergonomically superior NX500) and I'm a bit baffled.
Andrea - we thought long and hard before selecting the recommendations - you haven't highlighted anything that wasn't considered. All the cameras in this group are very good but we believe the a6000 offers the most consistent all-round performance.
It's not about the EVF, it's about the combination of EVF, competitive (though not class-leading) image quality, strong video capability and excellent AF. The Samsung matches or beats it for *some* of these, but you can say that about most of the cameras here. However, none of them do so consistently well.
There are a lot of people who wouldn't even consider a camera without an EVF. Equally, while the NX500's video is very impressive, its 38mm equiv. field of view with the kit zoom significantly undermines its usability.
The reason there are multiple recommendations is that there are several models here better than the a6000 **for specific use cases**. If the NX500 is better for you, that's great but we stand by our recommendations.
TN Args: Good to see DPR staff admitting that they are no better than Ming Thein in their bias and conservatism.
Even though DPR staff reluctantly review Lumix cameras, they evidently forget ever handling them as quickly as possible in their mad rush back to their D810s, because they seem to forget they have "direct focus point selection".
The other special mentions of intelligent Auto-ISO and ETTR metering have nothing to do with being mirrorless. If you have wish-listy stuff for your future dream camera, then don't bring it up in an article specifically about mirrorless. That's just bias.
'Rushing back to their D810s?' Last thing I read was that we were all mirrorless fanboys: I really do lose track sometimes. Maybe it's the lack of basis in reality that means I don't experience any reminders. Who knows?
Although Thein is talking about mirrorless, I think a lot of these requests are true of cameras in general. Certainly there's very few that couldn't be implemented on a mirrorless camera.
We re-posted it because we felt he made some interesting points (many of which we agree with, irrespective of the presence of mirrors). His headline aside, I didn't see it as another other than constructive criticism - I'm genuinely surprised it's being interpreted as a hatchet job.
Jim Salvas: As with many seasoned photographers, friends often ask for advice on camera purchases. I've recently recommended the A6000 and the E-M10 to different friends, based on their different needs. The choice between these cameras is more the photographers than the cameras.
We agree. This category is so competitive that you could recommend nearly all of the cameras for one person or another.
I'm glad to hear you found yourself recommending two of the cameras we called out, since we felt they were both really good but for different people.
Prime_Lens: I just don't understand DPR's rating and award standards..Why give something 80% rating with gold while you give something 81% with silver?What is the catch here?Because I am confused.. when I see 81% with silver and 80% with gold.. it makes it feel like that 81% with silver has penalty of -10%.
The score is, as much as possible, based on our objective testing, with some input (but less weighting) given to the subjective assessments (handling, value, etc). And, although these cameras all seem to have come out as 80%, I suspect they've all reached that score in very different ways (video capability vs AF prowess, etc).
The award (or lack of it) is the reviewer's assessment of the totality of the camera, compared to what else is available. A silver is a very good camera that may have some shortcomings that will limit its appeal. A Gold is a great camera that is likely to appeal to a wide number of people.
Most modern cameras are really good, but the conclusion of each review should address who each model is best suited to and what its strengths and weaknesses are.
teddoman: Wierd seeing Nikon's low end APS-C model D3300 in with some of these other cameras like the Sony's mid range A6000.
I guess the problem with MSRP price based groupings is that different manufacturers have different price points. Some are premium brands while others are more economy brands. So that will end up putting a low end Leica in the same category with high end models with other brands. I guess there'll never be a perfect categorization system.
Wherever you end up drawing the lines (whether by MSRP, street price or feature set), you risk being caught-out over time or across territories.
We've tried to make the write-ups consistent so that, if the D3300 ends up nearer the price of our ~$500 roundup, you can read them separately and still draw a useful conclusion about their strengths and weaknesses.
RichRMA: If the quantum dots already have their own colour, why do they need a Bayer array?
I think it's mainly about keeping fabrication and integration costs down.
Most smartphones are designed to work with Bayer output, so it's easier to win contracts if your sensor can just be dropped in.
Also, it sound like the company has found it difficult to deposit a uniform layer of film onto the silicon circuitry, even without the challenge of trying to position differently-colour-sensitive dots into specific pixel-sized regions.
At the moment, the film has distribution of differently sized dots scattered throughout it, but we're hoping to speak to the company again soon about what might be possible next, in terms of tuning the response to different colours and then trying to localise that differentiation.
Superglue: I just got the GM5 today at half price from a local place so I am excited to try it out.
Enjoy - it's a lovely camera, simply because you can take it everywhere.
Jonathan F/2: E-M10 should of gotten top pick. Silent shutter, 5 axis IBIS, high res EVF, 1/16000th max shutter in electronic mode, touch screen, flip LCD and the largest lens selection to choose from. Not to mention the best metering system of all mirrorless cameras. It just seems like these camera reviewers are more obsessed with specs than actual picture taking.
It seems odd to list a load of specs, then say we based our decision on specs too much.
We explicitly called out the E-M10 II for being so enjoyable to shoot with (almost as if we'd considered 'actual picture taking'). it's a difficult category to call, since each has its strengths and weaknesses.
We felt the a6000 was the most rounded product (taking into account stills, AF, video and handling), but we tried to make clear that you should consider your own needs and see whether any of the models excels at the things most important to you.
steelhead3: spelling error We only wish it head a headphone jack.
Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out.
MikeF4Black: Nice camera; more useable than both its siblings. But still no lossless compressed raw.
@rawdinal. The options are now: lossy compressed or totally uncompressed. The optimal outcome would be a losslessly compressed file - one that retains all the flexibility of the original but is smaller (as offered by several other brands).
Raw Jaw: If I may; A Reality Check:
Fact: Amazon is one of Samsung's high volume vendors.
Question: Can not Amazon's V.P. of Purchasing directly call Samsung Upper Management Officers for a direct clarification regarding issues raised by the current rumor under discussion, if they haven't already done so?
Of course I assume Amazon would notify DPReview of the answer to such an inquiry.
OK, this Reality Check is over.
Now back to your local rumor mill.
It's not the case that we publish rumours we *know* to be true. However, we do tend to wait until we're fairly confident (based on judgement, not access to information) before posting anything.
Amazon's retail division may well know more information than us on this. I doubt they'd be allowed to tell us, though.
EasyClick: This is a brilliant technology! It would definitely revolutionise digital imaging. Finally we can step closer to 'film look' than ever before. How long before Sony buys them up? (if they were smart enough) Then again, they might develop their own 'Quantum' film technology with some minor differences and rebrand it as their own. Any sensor development company should be smart and invest into those guys.
By the way, I don't see why the look should be referenced to Wes Anderson at all. It's quite the opposite, Anderson is trying to imitate the film look lost because of the crazy colour grading from Hollywood.
Ademeion - the non-linear region gives a roll-off in the highlights. If this can be utilized it could give a more silver halide film-like response than silicon sensors do, so it's not just the name that's inspiring the comparison.
Randy Veeman: If they can take the Apple contract away from Sony, Sony would lose a very large chunk of their sensor sales. I wonder if someone larger will scoop up this company.
Horshack - I think they're at the pre-production sampling stage: they say they're expecting to start shipping this quarter.
neil holmes: And in this segment, the winner is.......
For those in the market for one of these that is a tremendous choice.Even the lesser one are good it seems.
You're absolutely right. The collapse of the mainstream compact camera market has pushed everybody to make their enthusiast compacts *so much* better.
AdamT: The a6000 is a way better deal (UK anyway) than the relatively overpriced A5100 and the J5 , Yeah right ..... Whatever DPR - (Eyes roll) .. as others have said, the Nikon D5300 kills the lot of them for value , bang for buck and as a system ......
if I had to choose two from those , it`d be the GF7 (GM1 even better) for compactness, fantastic kit lens and the superb lens system .. and the Fuji XA1 for being a Fuji with a proper sensor (not Shonky X-Trans in the XA cameras) , decent kit lens and excellent lens system ......
DPR screw up yet another supertest
@JF69 - Sorry, hadn't filtered myself for jargon, the way I would when writing an article. The attachment rate is the ratio of camera to lens sales - it's essentially the average number of lenses bought per camera user.
ZJ24: I'm a big, big fan of Ming Fein's skill as a photographer and training material, I thought this article was unfair to mirrorless ILCs though (I am a DSLR shooter). He has his preferences and workflow, and I think a lot of the criticism comes down to personal preference and bias.
Do have a look around his site though, very gifted and hard working professional.
I interpreted it as constructive criticism, personally.
I wouldn't expect everyone to agree with every single point he makes, but he does point out some best-practice implementations that would benefit *any* camera, DSLR or Mirrorless.
tecnoworld: Very poor article, really. No mention of the best APSC mirrorless ever (Samsung NX1). Here on DPR it scored 87% with the old fw (and the new one improved 100% AF and added features like DIS). If it were another brand, it would have scored at least 93%.
We reviewed the NX1 with the latest firmware available at that time (having had to go back and bin test work more than once as Samsung added and improved features on the camera, long after it was in the hands of the public). Without the benefit of either time-travel or infinite reviewing resources, it hasn't been possible to re-review the camera with the latest firmware.
However, your suggestion that it would have got a different score, had it been from a different brand is utterly incorrect. It scored well, got a Gold Award and we then voted best camera in its class and most innovative product of the year. That would be an odd move if we were inherently biased against it on a brand basis.
Pandimonium: The Ricoh is the only one that will fit in your pocket so according to the best camera is that one you have with you mantra you should get that one.
So long as you like shooting at 28mm equiv.
(And yes, I'm aware it offers crop modes).
pbolli: Forgive me for indulging in a spot of pedantry, but I would like to point out that Fuji X series cameras (listed on page 17 under Upcoming Roundups) do not use the Finepix branding.
You're absolutely right. I've fixed that.