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In technical writing less words is the BEST way to say it.
They also mean *slightly* different things. That's an element of technical writing, too.
Timbukto: Why do you guys continue to even showcase (i.e. front and center image) Samsung which every one knows is not committed to sticking around when Pentax is still at least trying ;p. The K-S2 was an earnest effort. No real coverage of any of Pentax's last 2015 efforts. A Samsung NX500 gets shown front and center as well as further product links. Samsung is out of the game! Pentax is still trying to be in it, but given the ongoing snub I'm guessing you guys are already preparing to write similar articles for Pentax as you have Samsung. I guess being the only DSLRs around with IBIS isn't good enough and it just *has* to be mirrorless to get coverage?
Really the article should be, all cameras are great! But we pretty much never mention Pentax any longer.
We grabbed picked up a number of cameras that we had to hand. The NX500 made it in there because there were a couple of people making strong arguments for it when we provide published our roundups and that was one of the triggers for me writing this article.
This article isn't **about** these particular cameras, it's about cameras in general.
Horshack: The difference between the best and worst AF - and the best and worse sensor - is many less than the difference between the best and worse camera *system*, when one accounts for systemic IQ (lenses), handling (controls, responsiveness, comfort), support (firmware updates, customer service, quality of warranty repair), and cost (value for money, resale).
That's a good point. I should have mentioned the wider system - especially lens choice (though I don't consider handling to be a systemic property and support is virtually impossible to assess).
Alfa1: I am probably going to be alone in this thinking, but maybe DPR should not be recommending or giving awards to cameras at all but should instead just report the test results and leave it to the reader to decide. A beginner seeing a Gold award may sway them from looking at other cameras that may be better for them even if they are not technically "the best". After all the R in DPR stands for review not recommends.
BryonP - I couldn't disagree more. Looking at the cameras you can currently buy, it's still hugely important which camera (and system) you choose, because the differences are big enough that you'll be more likely to use and enjoy and develop if you choose the 'right' one.
Sure, any of them will *do* but adequacy is a pretty low bar if photography is something you care about.
MeganV: Bezos to Butler:
"Richard. Whaaaaat's happening? I'm going to need you to sell more cameras, mmkay? We have some underselling entry models. Try an 'opinion' piece. Suggest small differences or improvements are actually huge. Suggest photographers really should try or own--i.e. purchase from us--each model you list, even (especially?) the models your site reviews didn't score best. And that abandoned Samsung stuff--that one that isn't the NX-1? If you could just help unload those from our warehouse shelves, that would be greeaaaaat."
"By the way: you've been forgetting the cover sheets on your TPS reports. Didn't you get that memo? I'l just go ahead and have another copy sent to you, mmkay? Thaaaanks."
Where do I suggest buying more cameras? Wouldn't suggesting people but the right camera (for them) result in them being happier and less likely to go off and buy others?
Hang on, maybe I'm trying to sell lenses to happy photographers. I don't know, I don't seem to be getting any of these memos you're talking about. In fact, I'm not sure who's have time to send them, since if they're not on the DPR editorial team, it's not part of their job.
HB1969: Hi DPR,Your front page advertises an "X-pro2 examined in depth" but I get redirected to the first impressions review you published 5 days ago. Have I missed something? NB. I wasn't expecting a full in-depth review so soon after the first impressions review, it's just that thats what the headline lead me to believe.cheersHB
And there will be more pages added soon.
arqomx: what do you guys thinks about the EVF, writing speed to card and battery performances?
250 shots per charge (CIPA) for using the EVF is disappointing - that's well into having to constantly worry about having a second battery charged territory.
Writing speed to cards is, I think, the best I've seen on a Fujifilm. It was a real shock to jump from the Pro2 back to the Pro1, where I'd go to show my subject his picture and the write light would still be lit and the camera would just churn away.
The EVF is lovely - it doesn't dominate your view in the way it does on the X-T1 because it's slightly set in (as you can see on [page 3 of the first impressions piece](http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/retro-through-and-through-fujifilm-x-pro2-first-impressions-review/3)). But, if anything, that's not a bad thing when I've got my glasses on, as it means I can always see to the edges.
XJCoupe: There's an error in the specs comparison table for the X-T1 for "Maintain zoom when changing image in playback". At least with firmware 4.x, that feature is supported and I use it all the time!
I've finally got a chance to re-test that. I've no idea how I got this wrong, because I sat with all three cameras (inc f/w:4) on my desk for days checking this stuff.
Thanks for pointing it out.
darwiniandude: Some slight errors in the comparison table. "Maintain zoom when changing image in playback"X-T1 does this if you Zoom in (e.g. hit focus assist to move to AF point) then roll the front command dial to roll through photos. I use this often to compare AF on eyes across shots so I know it's there. "Unlike the X-T1, which lets you punch in to a 100% view of the AF point, but doesn't maintain it if you switch between images," Not true, maybe was true on old software.X-T1 has 7 assignable buttons now, not 6. The Movie record button can be remapped. Also the new advanced AF tracking modes aren't mentioned, the X-T1 and X-Pro2 both have these but X-Pro1 doesn't. These are pretty important IMO.Also from page 2, there are 4 metering modes now, not 3.
I've corrected the zoom in playback system. I could have sworn I'd checked that beforehand.
On the X-T1 I've got here, running firmware 4.0, the 'Function (FN) Setting' menu option only lists six custom buttons. Holding REC down doesn't let me customize it, either. It's been a while since I used an X-T1 though: if you can explain where I'm going wrong, I'll happily correct it.
I'll hold off on commenting about the tracking modes on the Pro2 until we've tested them but, having not been very impressed with the ones on the XT-1 and X-T10, I didn't want to flag them up just in case it was taken as an endorsement of it being an important feature. I will reconsider this as soon as we've used it properly.
Walter Ego: Richard, Sam: Can you share your impressions of the EVF (digital mode of hybrid VF) in the X-Pro2 vs. that in the X-T1? The specs suggest it is the same resolution but smaller/lower magnification (albeit larger than the X-Pro1). That gorgeous X-T1 EVF is pretty spectacular, and I'm curious how close to that the X-Pro2 gets. Any subjective comparisons?
It's not quite as impressive, because it doesn't take up the whole viewfinder, the way it does on the X-T1. Have a look at the rollover on [page 3 of this article](http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/retro-through-and-through-fujifilm-x-pro2-first-impressions-review/3) and you'll see what I mean: switching to EVF mode brings a smaller view in the centre of the finder, rather than expanding right out to the edge.
On the plus side, the refresh rate is higher, though, so it's still very nice to use.
I'm sorry you felt misled: that's not our intention at all.
News stories rapidly get pushed down the front page. The marquee at the top of the page is to make sure that these articles are still seen by anybody who didn't spot it when it was the top news story.
In our defence, our first impressions review is an in-depth examination (in that we go into detail on most of the camera's features, based on an extended period of using it). But no, it's not a brand new piece of content.
NickyB66: To the DP Reviewers - When will an in-depth review of the X Pro 2 be posted? Thanks.
@justinwonnacott - it varies, product to product and brand to brand. They range from cameras that regularly crash through to ones that are indistinguishable from the finished product (with, as you say, the defence of it not being finished if the public *hates* the results).
The common factor is that we cannot draw concrete conclusions about every aspect of the camera, so a full review might not represent a buyer's experience (which would be a waste of our time and misleading to our readers). We're usually not allowed to conduct studio testing with pre-production cameras, either.
vscd: Did Fuji really save RAWs uncompressed in the "past"? This sounds quite strange to me...
Do we talk about something like a normal CR2 Format? The LZW Algorith should be known now for some time. No offense, really a question.
According to Fujifilm's specs:
Approx. 8.0 fps(JPEG : 83 frames Lossless compression RAW : 33 frames Uncompressed RAW : 27 frames)
Which makes it look like the smaller size of the compressed files is a more significant factor than the amount of time take to compress them.
landscaper1: I'd like to know which lens & what aperture setting was used for the test scene. I'm comparing the 5DSr to the 6D.
Hover your mouse over the little [ i ] icon to the lower right of each comparison pane.
idefixx: what a boring "feel good" interview. other sites would list this under "sponsored content"
I suspect they wouldn't, given it's not sponsored.
mrmiguel: For a great real world low-light test, try shooting at night inside "The Pine Box" in the Capitol Hill district. Challenging location and a great selection of beer as well!
I'm pretty sure there have been shots from Pine Box in previous review galleries. I've not been drinking a lot of American-style beer recently, so haven't been there for a while.
Up until now, all X series cameras shot uncompressed Raw only. The X-Pro2 adds a losslessly compressed option.
It's pretty easy to check: multiply the pixel count by 14 (bits), divide by 8 to get the expected uncompressed file size in bytes. Compare this to the size of a Raw file downloaded from our test scene. If they're very similar, there's probably no compression going on.
Production spec cameras are only just becoming available. We'll be working towards a full review as fast as we can test one.
georgehudetz: I have a question for the reviewers:
Let's say I assign drive mode to one of the customizable buttons.
After I click that button, the Drive mode menu will appear. I'm hoping that I can then immediately change the drive mode just by turning the command dial - which is to say, use the command dial to scroll through the options, and then select my preferred mode by clicking the same command dial.
Is that how it works, or do I need to use the d-pad to navigate the menu, and then use the shutter button or OK button to make my choice?
Per page 4, Drive mode isn't one of the things you can assign to a function button. However, for all the settings I've tried, you can use the rear dial to scroll through the options after you've press the function button.
Mateus1: Does X-Pro2 have Custom Modes (C1/C3)? I can't find any info on it. It would be strange if top Fuji cam did not offer CM which is a must feature for Pro cam - very useful e.g. for weddings, most cams offeri it. Maybe it's marked at Iso chart which is hidden under shutter dial ?
I can't find also confirmation that X-Pro2 has -3EV AF sens. what was written by Jonas Rask on his blog. Fuji does not share any info about it what sounds strange because it would be a big improvement as other great features X-Pro2 got.
But I am dissapointed with back AF buton in X-Pro2. For these who use back button for AF like me, the position of AE-L button which probably can be programable to AF-On is placed tooooooo far from the thumb for comfortable using, seems too small as well. The AF-L button on the right side is uselles and was left as it was in old X-cams - it's not protruded and small too, very hard to use for AF.
It has C1-7 accessible from the Q menu.
The specs we have from Fujifilm don't specify AF operating range, I'm afraid.