AKH: Interesting comments Butler and of course you are confused and I also really love your patronizing "soccer mom" comments :-)
"and the lenses don't yet exist to let it work to its full potential" - this is simply utter nonsense, what more do you need than the 10mm f/2.8, 18.5mm f/1.8 which is a really great lens for a modest price and even the 10-30mm and 30-110mm which are really good lenses.
"Yes, you can put a mount adapter on a 1 System camera and shoot full F-mount Nikkor lenses, but it rarely makes sense to do so" - you are really not up to date are you? - the Ft1 adapter is what a lot of enthusiasts are using.
I'm sorry Butler, but I know you can do better than this. This just sounds like the usual negative stuff that was all around when the Nikon 1 was first launched.
I certainly didn't intend to be patronizing about 'Soccer Moms' - it's not an ideal piece of shorthand, but it should be pretty obvious to everyone what I mean. It's not my intention to be dismissive of that demographic.
The 10mm F2.8 prime doesn't give you any advantage over an F1.8 lens on a 1/1.7" sensor camera - so not really giving you the full advantage of the larger sensor. Only the 18.5mm and the 32mm give you any more light (per image) than the zoom lens on, say, the Olympus XZ-2. The rest of the time the Nikon is at a disadvantage.
The FT1 is great if you want telephoto lenses, but that's not very flexible if you want wide or standard lengths. Or sensibly-sized combinations. A bright 50mm on the FT1 would be nice for portraits, but a fast portrait lens is one of the two fast primes Nikon actually makes for the 1 system.
dpmaxwell: "I'd be even more interested if the lens remained a bit brighter, even if it did mean the camera got a little larger and more expensive"
Ever heard of the RX10?
Actually, [I have](http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx10/), but that's not quite what I meant.
*Personally*, I'd like to see something more like the Olympus XZ-2 with a bigger sensor, rather than the RX100's 'Canon S-series with a bigger sensor.' I wouldn't expect the lens to be quite so bright, but a slightly more consistent balance of speed/range/size/price would be *my* ideal. I was trying to (perhaps clumsily) hint at this with the word 'remained': the RX10 is never as bright as the RX100's F1.8 maximum aperture.
abortabort: Not a 1 Series shooter, but there is also the 18.5mm f1.8 (50mm equiv) which isn't anywhere near as expensive as the 85mm equiv 32mm f1.2 which would probably appeal to enthusiasts. Also, unlike Sony, Olympus, Panasonic etc, this now has the longest lens available (in equiv) to any other mirrorless system, tied with arguably the fastest focussing, best tracking body means this 'could' be interesting to the telephoto birding/sports crowd.
Also they have developed the AW1 which is obviously the only naked underwater ILC on the market.
So I think to some extent they are gunning for the niches where their system of being really fast but also a small sensor, actually have some advantages... Which is not so much in competing directly with other 'enthusiast' mirrorless.
Just a thought anyway.
I've amended the article to include reference to the 18.5mm - thanks for pointing it out.
I hope my piece made clear that I think there's some really capable stuff going on in the 1 system - it's a real shame that Nikon doesn't seem to have reached the 'Soccer Mom' audience, because I think the combination of fast focus, good IQ and capabilities way beyond any compact should endear it to that market.
Which is not to say it couldn't offer something to the enthusiast market too - I just don't see that in what I've seen of the V3 (which could still surprise me).
You make some fair points and ask some good questions. Just one correction: you forgot the 18.5mm f1.8 lens (equiv around 55mm FX), which is a gem in itself. For the rest, it is a matter of opinion indeed. For very many applications the 1" sensor size makes perfect sense. The Nikon 1 users are usually very enthusiastic about the reactivity and speed of the system, the video features and the quality of the stills output. I know I love the V1 and keep going back to it after having failed to enjoy the more trendy but sluggish mirrorless offers (Nex 7, Fuji xe1). The sarcastic comments that pop up every time the Nikon 1 is mentioned do no good to anyone and are usually completely off the mark. Nikon has produced a great system, with many highlights, and quite a few odd gaps, baffling user interface details and bizarre marketing choices. I will buy the V3, if the 18MP output is as good as the V1's 10MP. And the new long zoom. And the 32mm f1.2. And keep my DSLR outfit.
You're right about the 18.5mm F1.8 - I didn't spot it when I checked the Nikon website while writing this piece. I've amended the article to include it.
I hope I made clear during the article that I think the 1 system does have real potential - just that I'm not sure Nikon knows which directions to take it in.
turvyT: Unbelievable. I am just stating this from a neutral point of view, and after a huge waiting exercise. Will Dpreview explain some day why, after all this time, there is still no Pentax k3 review? Of course Dpreview has all the right to review whatever they want, but the lack of a review of a camera in which many people are or have been interested shows signs of the existence of some agenda which is all but transparent. Does Dpreview favor some brands over others? Not a nice thought, at least for me.
@PicOne - Actually my last review was the [Fujifilm X-E2](http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x-e2/) published last week.
I spend a lot of time thinking about timing vs thoroughness and am trying to prepare a K-3 review that's both through and as prompt as possible.
MiraShootsNikon: Count me among the (hopefully many) readers who find it absurd to see this review appear before one for the Pentax K3.
What's more: a full 13-page write-up on the D610 provokes the wonders of hindsight, reminding us to see DPReview's high score and "Gold Award" for the D600 through the lens of Nikon's recent "sensor dust" acknowledgement, service recall, and various legal class actions pursuing the company's behavior following the D600 launch.
I get that Amazon owns DPReview, and that you log into the "Gear Shop" to participate. But at the same time, the folks who write these reviews respond to comments like mine with defenses of "editorial credibility."
Well DPReview, if you want "editorial credibility," don't give "gold awards" to $2K cameras with recall-worthy quality flaws. And instead of 13-page write ups for high-volume incremental warm-overs, let's hear about lower-volume but truly new stuff, like the K3. Stop telling us you aren't ruled by the Amazon "Gear Shop." Show us.
There are two issues here and I'd like to address both:
We were one of the first sites to report the dust/oil issue in the D600 review. But weren't able to fully assess its severity because you can't test the long-term impact in the short term. Our understanding was that it was something that got better with use (and a clean), so wouldn't be a long-term problem - we can only review based on our experience. Without knowing more about how significant the problem has been for typical users, I can't be sure whether we should have given the D600 a Gold, but it seemed reasonable at the time.
The second is that we wanted someone familiar with the Pentax system to review the K-3, given its complexity.
The point is that we have only a limited number of reviewers and a limited amount of time. I am in the process of reviewing the K-3 but without a time machine, we can't retrospectively prioritise it over other cameras.
Simon and I [have tried to explain](http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53010324) why it's taken so long: we can't review all cameras at the same time, so inevitably some will get reviewed before others. That decision is based on a number of factors, including levels of reader interest, how quickly we can write the review, but not which brand it is.
Several reviews have taken longer than planned (something we're trying to avoid, in future), but that has delayed the K-3. I am currently working on the camera.
Bill Bentley: DPReview should contract user EOSHD to provide the video summary for all their still camera reviews.
We should definitely try [something like that](http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gh3/10) sometime.
Richard - dpreview.com
RichRMA: More fake ISO's? It's probably time for Dpreview to begin testing actual ISO's of these cameras instead of covertly changing illumination levels to match each other.
"At higher ISO settings, the X-E2 produces cleaner images than the D7100, even when compared at a common output size. However, given the longer exposure the Fujifilm requires, it's also telling to compare its performance to the D7100 set one ISO setting lower, where the difference is much smaller. It's a similar story with the EOS 70D, with more comparible results if you drop the DSLR's ISO by 1EV to more closely match the exposures."
We've included a test of ISO in the majority of our reviews for the past couple of years.
The fact that you then quote us referring to that testing, suggests that we're aware of this.
And we don't change illumination levels - we brightness match the images by changing exposure and we explain this (and, if I remember correctly, the rationale for it), in the article linked from the top of each comparison page. Which doesn't seem terribly covert to me.
Combatmedic870: There's just a couple of things in video they need.It can be done via a FW update and make the xe-2 and xt-1 overall better multipurpose cameras and appeal to a wider audience. 1. 24p,25p,50p. This is the biggest one. Easy fix2. Allow manual.3. Better codecs. Meaning more then one.
Until they sort out the demosiacing for movies, no amount of frame rates or codecs will help.
Mike Sandman: Nice review - thank you. I have an NEX-6 and am thinking about switching. After this review, still thinking... One thing the review may have covered but which I missed -- how do you change the shooting mode (Aperture preferred, speed preferred, etc).? There doesn't seem to be a dial for this.
@Mike Sandman - as S_Michaelsen says, it's a question of telling the camera which parameters you want it to control.
Turn the shutter dial to 'A' (Auto) and it'll be in aperture priority mode, turn just the aperture dial to 'A' and it's in shutter priority. Turn both to 'A' and it's in Program.
SF Photo Gal: Not that I care really, but curious how the X-E2 gets a score of 80 and Gold, yet the GX7 received a 78 and Silver; the GX7 was criticized for having only a 2 axis IBIS and none for video, yet the X-E2 doesn't have IBIS at all; GX7 has a tilting touch screen and the X-E2 is fixed and no touch feature; GX7 has far superior video and seems the IQ is about the same, and they seem to be in the same "class" so what's up with that?
Part 1: Scoring
Use the widget in the scoring panel to compare the scores and you'll see the GX7 outscores the X-E2 in terms of features and video (which is consistent with the points you've made). It also leads the Fujifilm in terms of Wi-Fi and value.
However, the X-E2 scores a touch higher in terms of image quality and ergonomics/handling. Since our scoring is weighted towards image quality, that's enough to see the X-E2 get 1% more in the overall score.
Part 2: Awards
The awards are based on how well the camera's reviewer thinks it fits what we believe to be its intended market. Silver means *we believe* a camera is very good, Gold means *we believe* it's great.
Do I believe the X-E2 is better-suited to its target market than the GX7? Absolutely. The control system is better worked out (the GX7's is fussy by comparison), and the X-E2's EVF makes the shooting experience much nicer. That, plus the slightly nicer image quality? That's enough to make the difference in award.
kewlguy: For such an extensive review, why hasn't DPR tried other RAW converters for Fuji? Clearly ACR is the worst of all for processing X-Trans files including X20/X10. There are Iridient Developer, C1 Pro, PhotoNinja, and others. Of course, from the review I could see DPR loves OOC JPG too much.
We did look at C1 Pro and didn't see the 'clear' difference you indicate.
Equally, we're not about to start depending on a Mac-only piece of software - Mac users may be more common in photography/graphics circles, but they're still a sub-set of users.
We're not going to start cherry-picking pieces of software for our main studio test scene, but include some C1 conversions in the X-T1 review.
Don Karner: So, is everybody a sports shooter now?
@Don Karner - I didn't mean to chide you for making mistakes (I'd leave myself pretty open to accusations of hypocrisy if I did), it's more that I'd responded to your post as if you were making a criticism of the camera or review that I didn't understand.
Only later did I spot the connection between your post and the earlier one.
As tough as the crowd is, I'm sure everyone loves your reviews.
I'd like to share an idea. Time & budget permitting, I was wondering if you guys would entertain the thought of including a 'Tips and Tricks' section for the particular camera - the best settings and uses for certain types of shots (portrait, landscape, night time, increase in body sharpness to prevent, etc).
Now I know this adds an additional layer of work and time - but no other review web site does this (and probably because it would be so exhaustive) but since you guys already do a pretty comprehensive review, you guys might have insights that others may not. Could help and differentiate it from the other websites that do exactly the same thing.
Just a thought,4054
@RStyga - We are trying to identify which sections of the reviews we could cut back on. The problem is that the most useful sections are usually the most time-consuming. We're doing what we can, though, as there is still a backlog of cameras we really want to review.
gerard boulanger: Hmm..2 stops of DR less than X-Pro 1...
If you read to the bottom of the page, there's a comparison between the X-Pro1's Provia and Astia tone curves and the Provia one in the X-E2.
Krich13: Does this camera allow Exposure Compensation in Auto-ISO mode in the Manual regime (user-selected shutter speed and aperture)? Does it allow shot deletion at any level of magnification (X-E1 didn't)?
@Krich13 - in fairness, it's taking a while for manufacturers to get their heads around the idea of allowing an auto mode in Manual.
It's a good idea, and something we'd like to do. At present, the challenge of reviewing all the major cameras is overwhelming, but we're trying to make the whole process more efficient, so that we can be more prompt with our reviews *and* have time to offer some sort of insights for users.
No, it just uses a higher-contrast tone curve in the shadow regions.
The underlying DR of the sensor is the same, it's just that Fujifilm has chosen to make its default Film Simulation 'punchier.'
If you like the smoother shadow response, you can use the Pro Neg. Std Film Simulation or shoot Raw (as explained in the review).
bluevellet: We can no longer compare the scoring with other cameras?
This should now be fixed. Sorry.