I have completely lost count of the PEN system - way too many iterations, in my opinion. Pen 1/2/3 Pen little/medium/big - pls Olympus, give me a break. If I decided to get into the 4/3 size format today, I'd go crazy trying to figure it all out! Yikes!DP thanks for all the hard work, but I feel that the reviews, though thoughtful & comprehensive, are few & far in between. The S100, X10, & others have been available for sometime now, and given that they appear to be cameras of interest, I would've hoped a review was already in the bag, sort of speak.
Or maybe I just need a cold beer...
Mike Paterson: isaacimages,What HDR feature?I've done a search in the X10's Manual for HDR and I can't find anything.
The feature is called HDR or High Dynamic Range. It allows for typically 3 images that are shot at different exposure values, to be combined into one, in order to attain, you guessed it, a higher dynamic range. Which in turn means the image will be darker in very bright areas and brighter in very dark areas.
roblarosa: I like the tech, I don't like the implementation or the form factor.-No swappable battery-No swappable memory- LCD too small- Not pocketable (at least in a pants or shirt pocket)- Square format only!- Proprietary software needed, so toss your existing workflow out the door.- The requirement to share photos on their site too limiting.- From the photos I've seen, you can't really call any of them sharp.
I think the tech definitely be around in the future, but this form factor and implementation have a lot to be desired. It seems more like a gimmick than a serious product.
This may be a limiting initial attempt, however, I believe that this technology is not only here to stay but it will change how ALL cameras are built! Not having to focus isn't just about time delay, shutter lag, etc, it's about building lenses in a completely different way! It'll mean, smaller cameras, smaller, faster, cheaper and better lenses, much faster operation, and therefore, more successes than failures. The days of out of focus, but otherwise, perfect shots will soon be over. I just hope they'll sell enough of these to keep them going.
Time will tell...
jmellas: 75% less noise than the S95!! If that's true I'll shed the $400-500 no problem. What non-professional DSLR zoom lens allows u to shoot at f2.0?
If shutter speed was a constant, say in a low light indoor situation, and the widest a typical zoom opens to is, say, to around f4 then:
Canon S100f2.0 + 1/30s + 400 ISO = proper exposureDSLRf4 + 1/30s + 1600 ISO = proper exposure
Those two images should be a lot closer in quality than one may think! Keep in mind that the subject may run away when they see the DSLR pointing their way... :)
to Jeff - f5 by 50mm is nearly impossible with a starting point of f2.0/ Jeff. The chart shows the worse of the lot (the Pani) at f4.7, but with a starting f-stop of f3.3 - no comparison. But here's the point, unlike a DSLR (or any other camera with a large/larger sensor and a decent noise reduction engine) high ISO effects, as you know, are more destructive with a P/S. So, one is more likely to get a better image by cropping a 24mm image than going two or more steps higher on the ISO scale. And though there are some possible drawbacks doing this, like a reduction of the shallow depth of field, and perhaps some barrel distortion (again, @ 24mm), there's another notable benefit; the camera is likely to focus (or be in focus) easier. This is important given that low light situations, is when all cameras, and especially P/S's, struggle to focus the most!Finally, a 24mm shot has a much better chance at capturing all the action!Give it a try, the results may surprise you!
75% less noise than the S95!! If that's true I'll shed the $400-500 no problem. What non-professional DSLR zoom lens allows u to shoot at f2.0?
Ted D300: Can someone help interpret the Exposure Bracketing spec for this:"1/3 - 2 EV, 1/3 stop increments" . I understand the 1/3 stop increments part but I don't get the 1/3 - 2 EV. Thanks in advance for your help.
To Ted D300
It simply indicates the minimum (1/3) and maximum (2) EV (exposure Value) that the bracketing option will allow. They use EV since you can achieve this by adjusting any of the three parameters - aperture, shutter speed and ISO.
RunStrom: Wow – Am I tired of all your negative chat. This is by all standards a very good camera. Where else could you get so much that can fit in your pocket. 24mm f2.0 is a must have, and going to 120mm is pure cherry on the top extras. GPS is great too. I wonder how many of you dimwits out there can appreciate it. If the pics are as good as or better than my Ricoh GX-100 then this baby is going to replace it, even if I have to wear the Canon logo on my forehead.
To BBs"I.Q. of the S100 specifically? Of course there isn't any to review...YET!"
It's not difficult to produce good results in daylight, for almost all manufacturers. The genius is doing so in low light (indoors or out). And Canon (P&S) does that better than anyone - based not only on 99% of the reviewers but users as well. This is what the S100 will likely do better than anyone, again! If low light ability is not one of your must have's, than pick up a any P&S camera for about 150 bucks (or even less) and you'll likely be happy.The S100 is made for those who know that low light prowess, an aperture of f2, 24mm wide, manual controls, & on & on, is more important than 1080p 30 vs 24 fps, 16mp sensors, 20 shots per second, and large zoom ranges. Is it possible to buy a camera with better daylight or low light results? No, if you want it to fit in your pocket!I hope that mine gets built on a Thursday!
Tom Goodman: The manufacturers can invent new labels for cameras nearly as quickly as they can variations for existing ones. "Enthusiast" is perhaps the most pernicious of these labels. The S95 and its competitors within this dubious category are simply inadequate to make quality images (and here's the important part) for anyone who has more than "enthusiasm" for photography. Any time I have taken my S95 with me instead of my Nikon D300 I have regretted the decision.
To TomThere's a reason why the P/S camera segment is so much larger than anything else. Size does matter or we'd all be carrying suitcases full of camera gear to ensure the best IQ. We don't. Fact is that most people don't enlarge their photos to 11x14 (or larger) but once in a blue moon. If very high IQ is important to you why would you even consider using a P/S?My point is, that for a 'pocket size' camera the S100, as the S95 is currently, will likely be king. If you go to a slightly larger body, X100, Nex, etc. than the IQ should be even better. So comparing your D300 to the S95 is simply not fair.
tkbslc: F2-5.9? No thanks. f2-4.9 was painful enough on the 90/95.
This has basically become a really expensive and chunky ELPH 500HS.
Most folks will likely use 120mm outdoors where it's brighter, anyway! So, who cares about the f5.9 - heck, shoot at 105mm instead and crop. Few have realized that the biggest factor here - since we are talking about IQ - is that this sensor will produce 75% less noise than the S95? THAT'S where it's all at !!
SETI: I prefer Olympus XZ-1
My guess is that as soon as the S100 is released XZ-1 sales will likely suffer. I had a look at a few videos by XZ-1's (on you-tube) and it doesn't look pretty! Though Olympus (along with Ricoh & Fuji ) are F/W masters so an update may be in the works.Still, aside from being a looker, there's no denying that beautiful Zuiko f1.8 lens!
Mark Ma: I have a Canon S95 and the updates and upgrades are good, but not good enough for me to buy one. I use my S95 for casual snaps and for more serious photography, I always use my Canon T2i. So far, I like my S95 that can compete with my T2i on sunny days. GPS is really not that important to me. Except this, other so-called improvements are trade-offs: The extra zoom can cause blurs or less sharpness. For the extra 2 megapixels, it can increase noise. CMOS may be a problem for video recording.
One can assume that Canon went to 12mp because of an improved sensor and processing software. If, as they claim, there's 1/4 of the noise seen on the S95, this will be an amazing camera! IQ will be so high (for a P/S) that all other possible shortcomings by the new stretched spec's (f2.0 @ 24 - f5.9 and 120mm) will be virtually gone/mitigated.Must be nice being at the top!
rickspencer4: Reading all the reviews, the PROs are all the place with opinions. I want to know IF you are buying a P/S today, $500.00 to $600.00 dollars, what are you picking!!
An S100, of course!
I can't believe that you'd mention the S95 and D300 in the same sentence! The reason you've never been happy about bringing your S95 along is because you've never tried placing the D300 in your shirt pocket.
jmellas: This is exactly what I had in mind. The wide angle was a must! If the image quality turns out to be better than the S95, especially 1/4 of the noise, than Cannon will have not only a winner but, once again, the leader in this segment! Increased Hi ISO quality will negate the F5.9 aperture at the 120mm setting. Worse came to worse, shoot at 24mm and F2.0 and crop afterwards. I'd rather shoot at 400/F2 and have to crop than shoot at 3200/F5.9 zoomed all the way in! Canon are not fools...fact is that the line gets better & better every year and thankfully they've not jumped into the MP race like Olympus, Fuji etc. It's no surprise they sell more cameras than anyone else!
"Fuji X10, Pani LX3/5, Nikon P300, Olympus XZ-1"
My point was that none of those cameras compare with the S95 and likely the S100. Size of body is a huge consideration and if Canon made a larger body S95/100 (like the LX3/5 X10, etc.) than the f/stop at the long end would likely be wider. If you put 20" tires on an Audi A3 it simply wouldn't work! :)
Let's not forget that this is still a point & shoot camera. I see no reason why the S100 will not be at the top of the competitors - the S95 is already there and this will be the improved version! The others, incl. Fuji X10, Pani LX3/5, Nikon P300, Olympus XZ-1, and so on, are all on a dif scale. They are all bigger in size, they have operational problems, (see video focusing on the XZ-1) they need frequent firmware updates just to get rid of bugs, or improve their op systems and features. If the S100's spec's and presumed IQ isn't enough, then one is unlikely to get satisfaction from any smaller premium P&S. I'm willing to bet that the S100 (though not perfect) will be the standard by which the rest will be compared.
This is exactly what I had in mind. The wide angle was a must! If the image quality turns out to be better than the S95, especially 1/4 of the noise, than Cannon will have not only a winner but, once again, the leader in this segment! Increased Hi ISO quality will negate the F5.9 aperture at the 120mm setting. Worse came to worse, shoot at 24mm and F2.0 and crop afterwards. I'd rather shoot at 400/F2 and have to crop than shoot at 3200/F5.9 zoomed all the way in! Canon are not fools...fact is that the line gets better & better every year and thankfully they've not jumped into the MP race like Olympus, Fuji etc. It's no surprise they sell more cameras than anyone else!