Combatmedic870: Windows 8 really....is not all that great. I prefer android and OIS over windows anyday.
It would seem the vast, vast majority of the market feels like Combatmedic870.
Nokia would sell a ton more of these if they ran Android. WP8 just isn't selling.
Peiasdf: Lumia 920's camera is not well reviewed. While peerless in low light (besides 808), it has huge lens flare, poor WB and inconsistent color.
I was expecting some huge advancement but it turns out to be mostly hype. Just because it says PureView doesn't mean it is not just an off-the-shelf OEM unit.
Depends on the reviews I suppose, some are very good. Fantastic low light performance and Image Stabilization is a huge step forward for a smartphone camera - that isn't hype, nothing else comes close to it.
One thing to note with Nokia products, is they often have issues at release that the company fixes with updates (since they'll literally do updates to a product for years)...the 900 has camera issues that were fixed after release with updates. I'd expect the WB and color issues to be fixed with updates. Not saying its good, but it seems to be how Nokia works.
Mike604: What was done 5 years ago is irrelevant to the market today.
That's true, but since the 808 and the 920 were both released last year and represent the cutting edge in photo technology on smart phones this does not bode well for where Nokia is going in the coming months....
One other thing that should be mentioned is the downside of the Camera lens being located on the very end of the Camera bump on the back of the phone (its not recessed). When you set the phone down it rests on this lens (which most users believe is made from plastic, not glass, because of how easily and quickly it scratches). This is not durable.
Look through user reviews of the One X and you'll find example after example of people complaining about how quickly the lens scratches, affecting their photo's, even though they're careful with their phones. This makes sense since the phone rests right on the lens when you set it down.
This probably deserves to be flagged in the review because of how likely it is to get scratched and compromise the phone's photographic capabilities. JMHO...
It appears there is a serious bug affecting the 808, basically the phone, text and data connection freezes (although the user looking at the phone won't be able to tell since it looks like a good connection etc.) - but the user won't be able to receive phone calls, text messages etc.. This happens after several hours and requires a reboot to get things working again....until it happens again.
Nokia has said they are working on a fix, but until one is out it could be a very bad phone experience.
Bit of a bummer, as I was close to getting one, once its fixed it'll go back on my list....get it fixed Nokia.
sesopenko: Great job on such a tiny camera. Too bad it runs Symbian. And they're going to come out with a windows version? No wonder Nokia can't keep up with the likes of HTC, Samsung or Apple.
The Windows Phone 8 version won't have the 808's big sensor (it'd make the WP 8 phone too expensive since the WP 8 phone's guts are much more expensive than the computer guts of the 808). The high end Nokia WP 8 is the 920 and has a standard size sensor (but they add Image Stabilization which is cool).
Lawrencew: But why buy an expensive cameraphone with an obsolete OS - when you can buy a better phone or a better camera?When they bring out the same camera capabilities in a Windows 8 or Android phone I might be interested.
They can't bring the same camera capabilities in Win or And or iPhone because the whole phone would be too expensive - the Symbian OS was extremely efficient (one of its strengths) and the hardware in the 808 besides the camera tech was very inexpensive (single core processor etc.).
WP 8, Android and iPhone you're needing much more expensive guts for the computer part of the phone and add the expensive 808 camera tech in and you've got a $1k smart phone which few will buy. Nokia has brought out their new WP8 high end (920) which has a standard size smartphone sensor but adds Image Stabilization so it'll be better than other smartphones but won't come close to the sensor on the 808. JMHO...
Trollshavethebestcandy: Soooooo the camera phone of 4 years ago has now become the phone camera? The purveyors of bandwidth have become the benefactor of the megapixel race. The average joe wants to post a pic to FB needing about one megapixel but are using a 20 megapixel pic with a file size 20 times what they need without ego and the telecommunication industry see a market to take advantage of for lack of basic knowledge. Gotta love it. Barnum was right.
The big surprise for me is that you can't use it as a phone. It's just a connected camera. There's probably somebody that might wants something like that...maybe...
Peiasdf: This cannot make call so all you got is a 4G camera and I presume if AT&T is selling it, you have to sign a data contract.
I've heard the data contract is required as well (no sharing your existing data plan). Bit of an odd design (why not make it a full mobile phone...), best of luck to Samsung with it.
Nice review and excellent analysis on the flare that's been caught up on the tech sites - really nice job taking the time to show and explain it. Hats off to you guys.
Looks like we'll be seeing a lot of photo's from the iPhone 5 in the future as well.
StevenE: Shouldn't you be comparing the iPhone camera to other smart phone cameras like the Galaxy S3.
I expect the 5 to be better than the 4 and 4S, but is it better than the competition?
Who cares about reviews of current cameras to see if they are better than the older technology? This only happens to Apple products.
Yeah, you have to read the story before commenting - they mention in it they will have a more lengthy review coming with comparisons to other smart phone camera's.
kewlguy: why is the 4s sharper?
The rock in the water looks much better on the 4S and the water fall is in shadow in the 4S....for phones they are obviously good cameras, but I don't see the 5's camera being significantly better - course we'd need photo's at the same lighting and focus points for that, just have to wait for DPReview to get one in hand for that.
zigi_S: So dpreview couldn't resist and jumped on the fruit wagon.
And don't come with the new sensor BS. You never reported for a new sensor in other phones except nokia 41mp which realy was worth reporting.
This is a small spot of where the world has changed over the last couple of years, where phones have basically taken over a huge chunk of the low end P&S market and DPReview should report on them. Its not jumping on a fruit wagon at all.
If you don't like it, just ignore the articles and spend your time on something you enjoy.
_sem_: Apple copying oversized tablet phone form from Samsung and HTC :) :) :) Fashion will have to adapt with bigger pockets ;)
They kept it the same width and only made it a little taller, you can still easily do everything with one hand (which is their "test), definitely not following Samsung and HTC.
wetsleet: they say the entire "optical assembly" moves under OIS, rather than just a lens element within. That sounds like the whole camera unit is sort-of gimballed in the phone housing. The results certainly look impressive (except for the whole van thing at 0.27). When will DPR get one to review?
Found out why today....Microsoft is way behind where they should be with the Windows Phone 8 software - they have not released the SDK for WP 8 yet (something they normally do 3 or more months before the actual release of the OS version so developers can make sure their software works with the new release). This is a sign that WP 8 is way behind for a release where vendors could sell hardware for the Christmas quarter.
So Nokia has hardware ready (hope for their sake its not stacking up in wharehouses for the xmas season, but they were probably counting on being able to sell at this point), but the software from Microsoft isn't close to where it should be.
Since Nokia's CEO choose a Microsoft only OS strategy, they are stuck watching the money just bleed away - after this announcement, who will want to buy a Nokia WP7 phone that can't be updated to v8...bad situation for them.
art1sta: these Nokias have so many innovations and have such amazing hardware yet they make the mistake of not informing about prices and availability. I also dont understand why Nokia is excluding itself from android, I mean, if you make such great hardware why not use it to your advantage and exploit all the OSs that work and that are successful. It make no sense to me unless S Elop is a Microsoft plant and microsoft ends up buying Nokia on the cheap. (would not surprise me in the least)
with reagrds to the advert well its a childish mistake but surely we all know that adverts are just nice simulations of what really happens. Surely no one believes the adds on TV.
Couple of points. Nokia is wedded to Windows Phone (WP) because Microsoft is giving them over $1 billion dollars to keep them alive in the mean time.
The hardware for this Nokia WP 8 rollout (920 & 820) is obviously ready, something else is not & its WP 8. Microsoft still has not released a SDK (software developers kit) for WP 8. For WP 6 and WP 7 they released the SDK many months in advance of the actual launch of the product so developers can make sure their stuff works with the new software (all OS vendors do this, the Apple iOS 6 SDK has been out for months). At this point MS has not released the WP 8 SDK, although rumor has it a "beta" SDK will be released soon. This means WP 8 is way behind and holding Nokia back here.
So Nokia signed their life away to a software company that is notoriously late in delivering on their software release targets for operating systems - which is bad when the fate of your company hangs in the balance. Going all WP isn't looking so good now.
Probably not for a while. Nokia isn't even "announcing" when they'll release the phone until the 4th quarter....
Jan Kritzinger: F/2, 1/3" sensor, IS. #SOLD.
The sensor being that small is rather disappointing, but the F number and IS are very enticing details, I look forward to real reviews to see how it performs.
Grzesiek Maj: Maybe at Photokina? Nokia has stand there. Maybe today announcement was for people who do not see difference between 1/1.2 and 1/3 sensor sizes. Maybe there is a link: Nokia->MS->Facebook->Instagram. Nokia without 808 PureView @ Windows Phone is basically dead.
I saw the test here, I'm ready for throwing away GF1 for WP with real PureView. It would be total winner for street photography - no one pays attention for someone with a phone.
A WP 8 808 would be way too expensive (think $899 instead of $699) and big (bigger than the 808) as the guts needed to power WP 8 (by MS requirements) are seriously more expensive and power hungry than what the 808 needed for Symbian (which was a very efficient OS, however much it was maligned).
Give it a few years and, if Nokia is still around, we should be able to get a WP 808. Maybe something in between sooner if Nokia wants to spend the money to develop it.
That said Nokia could have easily gone for a larger sensor (like their old N8) than standard cell phone cameras, which is dissapointing (probably size and expense again though). WP license means 5-10% of the price goes to MS on the phone which could have gone to a better camera.
Denton Taylor: Only DPR fans seem impressed. Nokia stock down 16% today after the announcement. IOW, a big yawn.
Nokia also killed off sales of its existing WP 7 phones (which can't be upgraded to WP 8) with this announcement as well, as who would want a WP 7 phone now.