Comazzi: Sony Alpha 7R II tested with a $ 1000 lens and Canon 5DS R tested with a $ 350 lens ? What ?
...your link proves me right (even @f5.6) or we see different pictures.
>Because that's the sharpest Canon 85mm lens.
You wish. The 85L is *way* sharper above f2.8... even the 70-200L IS II outperformes the old 85 1.8 by ages...
SingerNick: Yes, Canon has been hitting it out of the park with these premium optics. Hats off to them. But how about they stop shipping 6-year-old sensors in their flagship compact?
There is a lot of Canonbashing in the last few months... despite the fact that they are doing great hardware apart from dynamic range. The DPAF, world first lens-formulas, new optical elements and so on...
Of course you can get a slightly better sensor in the A7R2, but the rest ist subpar. The system as a *whole* counts, that's a fact Fuji learned by far better than sony.
Sony must be ashamed that even their own sensors are better in bodies from Nikon with Expeed CPUs than on their BionZs... on Nikoncameras I even get a real lossless RAW.
The only thing that's good on the Sonysensors is that they put pressure on other manufacturers... competition was always good on the cameramarket.
Bhima78: While it is nice that Canon seems to have successfully updated this lens to match the competition, I can't help but wonder who would pay $1,800 for this when the fantastic Sigma 35mm ART is about half that price at $900.
3 times the price of the sigma? That's BS. The Sigma 35mm Art came out at 999$/€. The Canon is not even at the double price, yet. The zeiss is more expensive without Autofocus or weathersealing.
After 2-3 years the Canon will be "cheaper", like the Sigma. I smell jealous Sigma-Fanboys. Sorry dudes, there was only a gap because the big companies didn't do anything without pressure. But diamonds are created under pressure.
mailman88: "New" Canon 35L II, will be called....Canon's 2% Lens. With a price of $1800.00, 2% will be the amount of perspective buyers.
You can get a 35mm f2 with IS far below the price of Sigma.... from Canon. If you can't afford the Porsche, just drive your Toyoto. Both will bring you home., safely.
All the engineering goes to glass, because glass lasts...bodies come and go ;) Hope they'll turn to the sensors again after they brought a new 24mm 1.4, 50mm 1.2 and 50mm 1.4...
...now let's add a new Canon Body to this lens. I hope the next 5D (Mark IV) will close the gap to Sony, sending it to where it belongs... to the grave of history ;) Bodies come and go, glass stays.
Germany... way beyond your science, since ages ;)
Chris Yates: No image stabilization even at this price? I suppose Canon realizes that people who buy this lens are switching over to the SONY A7r II system and would not need it the IS feature :P
Firstly, creating a f1.4 Lens with IS would be a new record because it's difficult to control the light with that large diameter and secondly including such an element would most likely change the length of the formula... this means you design something like a f1.0 lens, but end up with an f1.4 overall.
If you need IS, get the f2 version... this will get you 3 or 4 more stops of speed. If you need real light f1.4 is probably the best you can get, until someone comes up with a new view on physics ;)
So, it's like decades before... if you buy a Sonyproduct you get most likely one of the best techniques, but with a horsefeet on it. I bought my videocam and got Memorystick only back in the 90s, I got my Bravia and had to get Sony to Realworld connectors just to plug in my peripherals. This time we pack together a good sensors with a lossy RAW ;)
How could we ever live without Autofocus... it's now working in -3 EV @f1.4... wohoo. I think the Leica-User will be amazed, too. Sadly there are only 5 stops left @ISO3200 but that doesn't matter. It's another sign of the dying DSLRs. How can they still survive? Hey, we are Sony. We re-invented the sensor. Ok, we don't have a lenselineup, Dual cardslot or weathersealing but we can focus at night. At least with some lenses and if the battery is still up after a hour. Hey, don't get me wrong... the technology goes on and on but does it improve the pictures? I don't think so... I decide what's in focus, not the sensor.
P.S. The next Nikon will be the better cam with the same sensor. Promised.
Flashback: So nothing magical inside the a7RII, just the usual bevy of silicon chips doing all the work.
Sony will be making a shed load of money on these, until we have some serious competition.
For pity's sake Canon and Nikon, wake up and get cracking...
@Stu5. Don't feed the trolls with facts! ;)
nerd2: So basically equivalent to MF 20mm f5.6 for FF?
@namssurt: You would wonder how shallow a 24 f1.4 on fullframe can be... but you won't recognize it as MFT only idiot (just to reply in your words).
T-Stop can vary a lot from f-stop, for example on the Minolta (Sony) AF 135mm 1:2.8 [T4.5] SFT.
Multiplying f-stop/t-stop is correct, if you can use it for your own work is something different. Most people can do their pictures with a iPhone, anyway.
plasnu: ALL digital cameras will be FF mirrorless sooner or later, but don't worry, your SLR and APSC lenses will be all backward compatible.
...you said everything exactly right, but the mirrorlessfanboys won't hear you. Both systems have advantages and disadvantages but you'll read "DSLRs are dead" at least20 times a day :)
...and some people won't use electronic viewfinders because they prefere optical ones.
vscd: Let's see what happens after Canon comes up with a new sensor with equal or better dynamic range than Sony. You will see there is nothing left for Sony to be proud of ;)
[...]Sony's ergonomics vary all over the map. They usually throw way too much garbage in our faces, designing their cameras for people who talk about photography more than actually do it.[...] Ken Rockwell, yesterday ;)
I mean every post in here... do you think that even 1000 posting people at DPReview are a relevant fraction of the buyers for a Company? There are more grannies out there buying a Canon Ixus in the color red.
The masses decide which camera will be a bestseller, not pixelpeeping "wannabee"-pros like us who now what the catches are. If the best system would win we all would have a Commodore Amiga by now, not a PC with Windows on it.
Then, in reflection, what do you think how relevant a dpreview-forumpost is? ;)
@Woodyggg. We'll see... ;) I don't think so. Nikon will have the far better package around the same sensor, so Sony will be what it was so far. A sensorsupplier. Not more.
ruhell: And still no optic module for Samyang 14 f2.8 for Canon, nor Nokia Lumia 1520
I guess they can do, but they just don't give us an option for it. Hey DXO, If you read this... please allow a manual lens-selection! (And by the way, please make a profile for the Canon 80-200L 2.8) ~8]
This problem will exist further I guess, because there is no EXIF-info inside the RAWs. DXO is not able to assign a specific lens to a picture manually. Please correct me if I'm wrong... I really miss this FEATURE!!