vscd: Let's see what happens after Canon comes up with a new sensor with equal or better dynamic range than Sony. You will see there is nothing left for Sony to be proud of ;)
[...]Sony's ergonomics vary all over the map. They usually throw way too much garbage in our faces, designing their cameras for people who talk about photography more than actually do it.[...] Ken Rockwell, yesterday ;)
I mean every post in here... do you think that even 1000 posting people at DPReview are a relevant fraction of the buyers for a Company? There are more grannies out there buying a Canon Ixus in the color red.
The masses decide which camera will be a bestseller, not pixelpeeping "wannabee"-pros like us who now what the catches are. If the best system would win we all would have a Commodore Amiga by now, not a PC with Windows on it.
Then, in reflection, what do you think how relevant a dpreview-forumpost is? ;)
@Woodyggg. We'll see... ;) I don't think so. Nikon will have the far better package around the same sensor, so Sony will be what it was so far. A sensorsupplier. Not more.
ruhell: And still no optic module for Samyang 14 f2.8 for Canon, nor Nokia Lumia 1520
I guess they can do, but they just don't give us an option for it. Hey DXO, If you read this... please allow a manual lens-selection! (And by the way, please make a profile for the Canon 80-200L 2.8) ~8]
This problem will exist further I guess, because there is no EXIF-info inside the RAWs. DXO is not able to assign a specific lens to a picture manually. Please correct me if I'm wrong... I really miss this FEATURE!!
vscd: >"I hope that our native lenses are better![than Canon]"
Haha, big laugh. First, you don't have own lenses... you hava a Zeiss coop. And Second, they fail big time (except of the 50 1.8).
...and they are all worse than anything done for Nikon/Canon like the OTUS. Not the amount counts but the IQ.
No, I don't. Without hahaha (how old are you?).
Yes and we see a lot more ebooks, so why are there still paper-ones? The mirror has nothing to do with the used sensor behind. For me a mirrorless, and therefor a EVF, is nothing to concern... it's just a copy of the reality and sucks on my batteries. But that's my opinion. I can live in friendly coexistence with mirrorless ones... why can't they?
Interesting that most of the pros still use Nikon or Canon... maybe they don't care what you *think* you know. And yes, tools can be heavy. You can nail with your spoon-camtoy, I prefere a hammer.
And then? Is DR the new Hype nowadays as megapixels were 10 years back? Even in the the danger to repeat myself... I would like to have more DR, but in 99,999% of the time a right exposure is all you need.
Furthermore, the increased DR is gone after ISO800, than Canon is even better... so it depends on the Job you do. For sports Canon is still superiour (!).
@rinkos. No one is hating others for better sensors. But there is more to a camera than just 2 stops of somewhat pushable shadows. The system counts. And I doubt you *ever* made a picture which couldn't be done with any recent Canoncamera. Keep on pixelpeeping.
Let's see what happens after Canon comes up with a new sensor with equal or better dynamic range than Sony. You will see there is nothing left for Sony to be proud of ;)
Oh, the mount matters... then Canon has done a fantastic 55mm OTUS recently. Must be, the lens has an EF-Mount. Who cares where the lens is produced? Even the zeiss lenses (except the OTUS) are not from Jena or Oberkochen/Germany anymore, but from manufacturers in asia.
The "designer", the engineer and the whole craftmanship counts because this is eating your development-money. If some poor Sonyemployees assemble the parts... who cares? Fact is, Sony moves no finger in designing own optical formulas. Living on Minoltapatents for years is not possible anymore with >30MP.
if the advantage of the sensor is gone, there is not much left... we'll see.
Hamiltionian: I still don't understand why dpreview uses the Canon 85mm f/1.8 as a testing lens. It is a high quality optic when stopped down but for example, the Otus 85mm is noticeably better.
And it has to be comparable with the older tests...
>"I hope that our native lenses are better![than Canon]"
Picturenaut: Just a comment after using a 7DII for a while now. If the 5D's noise performance is about similar to the 7DII's, then no real photographer would go beyond ISO 12800 (or much less!). So I don't find Canon's decision to cap ISO sensitivity at ISO 6400/12800 in the 5D's "odd", as Barnaby Britton states here, but wise. Higher ISO's would be just a marketing gag, and that's not needed for a pro/prosumer market product. Nobody would invest in such extremely high resolving (studio/landscape) cameras to shoot them with ISO settings that kill all this resolution advantage.
I agree with everything he said.
vscd: Did I read right? The Sensor from the Nikon 5200 comes from Canon? Can anyone aprove that? ;)
I was beginning to sweat... thanx Richard for getting my heartbeat down again ;)
mark power: I am waiting for an artist I respect to show me a series that would have been impossible without the Leica M246. Until then I am quite happy with the B/Ws I've been getting with Sony equipment and for me Leica will remain the plaything of the rich 'enthusiast'. Salgado are you listening? What's your opinion?
Salgado uses Canon since ages now...
Did I read right? The Sensor from the Nikon 5200 comes from Canon? Can anyone aprove that? ;)
fatdeeman: Judging by the reflection at the top of dgb-ISO-100-IMG_6865.acr the edges sure seem usable sharp at F/1.8 even at the edge of a full frame sensor, that's pretty impressive!
The overall image quality doesn't seem all that different, the bokeh is still harsh (despite several people arguing that the extra aperture blades would somehow make a difference wide open!) but the edges do seem a little better. My copy of the mkII was always decent in the centre but I don't think the edges are this good even on APS-C!
I checked some lenses from my arsenal but no lense showed blades wide open... I guess this may happen on old sticky ones but should not be the standardbehaviour.