Thomasbd: why not F 2.0 ? I am disappointed! :( . And the price is not reasonable too..
Did I not tell you to mind your own business?
You just cannot help your self can you? Tirades do not consist of three to five words. You evil Canon m43 wannabee dipshit
Mind your own business Misolo.
I do not see that is any of your business. Typical that it's always canon of oly a'holes I get into fights with. Must be a genetic defect that attracts certain people to certain brands.
come and find me Misolo I dare you!
Misolo keep on demonstrating your evil personality please.
Very wel mr I won't counter any of of your arguments i will just call you stupid a'hole.
you sir are an idiot! I am talking about focal distance relative to flange distance the samsung 30mm is 4,5 mm longer than flange distance, de canon is 4 mm longer than flange distance, the fuji is 9,3 mm longer than flange distance. More than double. That is why is F2.8 and not F2 . That is physics dumbo Fuji does have an 18mm F2 Pancake by the way.
Yes de DA 21mm is F3.2 though. So? You are constantly forgetting physics. I have a 20mm full frame pancake the Pentax-M 20mm F4. It's not impossible to make pancakes for short focal ranges, it is impossible to make fast pancakes for short focal ranges.
Misolo: Not a myth but physics. First your comparing a m43 lens with retrofocus that is 2.5 (quite slow for 43) with an aps-c lens with a slight tele (compared to the flange) you can't just discard all these differences.
Short Pancakes are easier to make when the focal distance is closer to the Flange Distance. For Fuji it is 17,7 mm. So they could make a f2 20mm pancake. 27mm is a bit more problematic hence the 2.8. The EF-M/2.0 is closer to the flange distance of canon-m (18mm) You should not compare m43 because it has a smaller sensor so 1.7 is actually 2.8 or around.
luxor2: "field of view similar to that of the human eye" , must be a lot of eye problems at Fuji. However, a great addition to their lens offerings.
Our brains are great at photoshop, that's why we seem to have a bigger fov than we actually have. An that also why everything seems to be in focus all the time (providing your eyes are in good shape).
because then it would not be a pancake anymore.
How about dad's old camera ;)
AllMankind: Come on Sigma... What about an E-Mount version.
this is a dslr lens. Would have to be redesigned for mirrorless because of shorter flange distances. You can probably use it with an a-mount adapter on e-mount (making it even bigger, but you can). Mirrorless is not made for big lenses, so if you want to use them just get a dslr.
xiod_crlx: I love prices here in UK!!!!! THE ARE SO NICE!!!
$800 USA -> £800
it is not THAT sad with current pound->dollar rate of ~1:1.6 like it used to be - few years ago the rate was 1:2.1 effectively doubling the price (!)
but still, it is huge overpayment...
you can opt for grey market-no-manufacturer warranty to chase the lower price, but for honest, normal users it is a robbery IMHO
The price difference can't just be explained by taxes. It's too big, unless Brits pay taxes to Sigma so they offer their lenses cheaper in the US.
I don't think the difference will be so dramatic in reality though. The just introduced Sigma 35mm F1.4 is now going for $899,- in the US. And For £699 pounds in the UK and €850 in europe. So this one will probably be more like £629 and €750
Jurka: Old Sony sensor...
still a great sensor capable of much more than the average Joe can get out of it.
Sonyshine: Nice solid old-fashion DSLR's that will no doubt be well built, reliable and produce good images . But where is the modern tech? EVF's decent live view and video? Kudos for Pentax for being brave/mad enough to offer colour options too!
dslr's don't have EVF's they got something better. It's called OVF.
mbaginy: Hey D1NO - the camera has a flash.
then where is it?
forget it I went to there site: http://en.leica-camera.com/assets/gallery/8246.jpg
it looks like wall-e.
It's not compact, it doesn't have a flash, it has a slow zoom and no viewfinder and it costs more than everything else.