pixelized: I am new to Lightroom, only 4 months in, and brand new to the forums here, please be nice. I seem to be missing a few points made by others. Maybe someone can explain them.- What does an LR catalog becoming corrupted have to do with the original Raw files? Those files are exactly where I put them on the hard drive, and unless I chose to write metadata to them, they are exactly as they were when I first copied them. True?- If programmers don't write photo programs, who will?- I can drag and drop an image(s) from my hard drive into LR, after which I have to press the Import button, and the Develop link - if I want to edit at that time. Yes that is two extra mouse clicks than Photoshop, but is that too much work to use LR's tools?
I do use other programs to organize images - I had them before LR. I'm still experimenting with ways to use LR's Collections to my advantage. I have found a few positives, but digital asset management is work regardless of the application.
Years ago, I trialed Version 1 of Lightroom. It had virtually NO USEFUL FUNCTIONALITY. It was farcical. I couldn't believe it.
It seems that LR has finally made the grade in Version 4. Let's enjoy it in good health.
While I'm in a grousing mood, I'll tell you about the time years ago when I knee-jerkingly forked out $125 for an upgrade to Framemaker. The new features? Japanese language support. They must've seen me coming. That's when I began to give Adobe the hairy eyeball.
Najinsky: I don't get the negative reactions to the poll. Are people assuming they're on the Panel of CIPA and being asked to judge on behalf of the industry? What would be the point of that? Did they all send you a review copy?
This is a consumer site for camera buyers, they want to know which new Cameras hit the target. Who got it right. What worked for US.
If you want to pretend your on the CIPA panel then I guess you could try to vote for the best industry achievement, a hard vote in 2012, with nearly all manufacturers hitting a home run or two.
OM-D is not a superior imaging machine to the D800, 5D3, A99, etc. But for many peoples shooting objectives, the OM-D was a big (small) hit.
I left a superior machine 6,000 miles back at home this year, taking the OM-D instead. It was a scary decision, but in hindsight absolutely the right one. The OM-D hit a sweet spot of results and portability.
Why not vote what was a hit for YOU, and let others say what a hit for THEM. You know, like a poll.
And well put, too.
Boris F: OMD EM-5 is the King! Look for ISO performance, it is maybe one stop only below full frames.
>I just listed the Low Light ISO Scores above and it's plain to see that the D800 gets close 2 EV better high ISO performance.
And that is that. Please let's soak up the facts, peoples.
It's Christmas Day. Let's forsake all peevishness, principally meaning me.
J2Gphoto: For those saying the fanboys are swaying the results I invite you all to google camera of the year. 3 camera's are mentioned in just about every one I seen. The Canon 5DMKIII, the Nikon D800E and the Olympus OMD E-M5. One will say the Canon, another says the Nikon and I seen one that say the Olympus. The fact that these three are the leaders in this poll tells me this poll may be a little bit more than fanboy loyalty. Heck how many fanboys would Olympus even have left after they once again abandoned another system? I'm an Olympus user and was ticked off more than once and looked to other systems to use. As were a LOT of Olympus users I know. Read the buyer reviews on B&H, or Adorama. Many say "I was a Canon/Nikon shooter before I bought the OMD." Almost seems like people are mad they lost some of their club members.
But how do they compare at 14x20?
I'm just a harmless insomniac.
JoeMcPhoto: I own:
Nikon: D100, D70, and P7100Canon 20D, 5D, & 50D
Just bought myself an Oly E-PL5 for Christmas. Loving every bit of it.
When I need more than 16 MP, I'll rent. I enjoyed renting the Nikon D800E, and yes, it is an awesome camera.
But after using the E-PL5 for 2 days, I can tell you this: I'll never buy another camera without a touch screen. It's just a transcendent shooting experience. You touch the screen where you want the camera to focus, and it fires. It's like launching a missile.
And for JPEGs straight out of the camera, it's hard to beat Olympus.
>When I need more than 16 MP, I'll rent.
I don't cavalierly snoot off FF DSLR's the size of manhole covers, but I naturally lean toward the dinky side. Even David Eisendrath had fun with those little Olympus clamshells of the late 80's -- and I was mildly surprised to hear him say it. But for my next reunion -- I should live so long -- it's rental time.
zinedi: Oranges can't compete with apples in appleness.
Nor can apples with oranges in orangetude.
This could be the start of a great thread in Aristotelian ontology. I'll prepare the drinks. Who's having green coffee?
Chris Ntardis: The poll has some weaknesses. In what aspect should we choose the camera of the year 2012? Well, as far as innovation is concerned, I think the most rebellious camera is the Sony RX-100. As for the superior image quality and performance, the clear winner has to be the Nikon D800/E.
>In what aspect should we choose...?
Sabaki: I shoot with a Canon 500D and that's my camera of the year.
Seriously though, the answer lays in which camera has pushed the boundaries of performance furtherest.
Low light performance should be the yard stick here because heck, I could take decent pictures in great light with my Nokia N86.
Focussing? Lowest noise at highest ISO? Colour reproduction?
As a Canonite, I do acknowledge the Nikon D800's sensor has forever changed what people expect to see in a camera.
Best camera of the year? The one with the most innovative monkey behind it
>The one with the most innovative monkey behind it
Do you mean "money" or "monkey"?
Not that it doesn't make a ton of sense either way.
btobey: I think many folks are miss interpreting the D600 with all the chatter about sensor dust and oil. I would think the D600. But the 5D mark III is also really good. Tough call. The D800 is overrated based on these results. But who am I to say what is best and what is not. Happy New Year.
>Happy New Year.
And the same to you!
mytake: Part 1...I was just over at Thom Hogan's website "http://www.bythom.com/index.htm" reading his article "So What if I Had to Pick?", posted 12/24/12. Read it...
Now, Thom is a Nikon guy, and has the most comprehensive Nikon site on the web, but he isn't someone who hides the truth. He talks about the huge quality control problems that have plagued unwary Nikon buyers, and estimates that 20% of D800's (1 in 5) or (50,000 cameras), shipped with problems. Wow, big WOW, he also talked about the dust and oil problems of the D600.
>20% of D800's (1 in 5) or (50,000 cameras), shipped with problems
Holy crow. Thanks for the heads-up, Mytake. Very important post.
(unknown member): Dpreview why do you post jpgs for samples for reviews of lenses?!
It's bad enough for camera reviews but for lens reviews too?!
And how about standardizing some shots that will help the reader see for him or herself the edge to edge performance of the lens at different apertures and focal lengths for zooms?
In other words, make the reviews much more useful to your readers instead of trying to impress people with technical charts and diagrams!!!
Yes, there is oversharpening.
tommy leong: we all know this is quite arbitary poll, right?
for me, i vote for Sony RX1 for its outstanding full frame compact.at a resoundingly low price ( comparing whats available in the same category )
( although i hate Sony Customer Service )
A camera without a viewfinder is like a bull without a pizzle.
bshelly42: The Olympus OM-D is nothing close to being a camera of the year. You're kidding, right?
Can I use that at the Friars' Club?
Even though I don't get it. You don't have to get it. It's funny and that's that.
MM67: P*ssing contests are so much fun! (Especially amongst photo-enthusiasts) Use the gear you like, take your pictures. Many of the best photos throughout history have been taken with equipment many of you wouldn't be caught dead using, it seems! :D
Just so long as everybody has a good time.
Like a roast at the Friars' Club.
Anyway, Merry Christmas, everybody. (They'll carve my liver out with a can opener for that, prolly.)
qwertyasdf: Best camera of the year?! It's totally not in line with DPreview reader culture...We are only interested in the WORST CAMERA!
That's the one you got!
NO! I'm only trolling for likes and larfs.
No offense, Bro.
BillyShooter: Greetings one and all. I'm now an official member here and this is my first post. I've read many of your posts on "2012 Camera of the Year" and cannot pick anything as I have only a D7000. However, I will continue to read and learn about this craft as best I can. As a whole, the site has much more to offer than I could digest, even with the best spices. What an amazing time to participate in photography !
It is indeed possible to glean some helpful snatches of information here.
To be sure, every now and then there may be a timbre of sarcasm in some of the posts, but if you're somewhat thick-skinned (16 inches), or if you drink heavily, that shouldn't matter.
fakuryu: I just literally bought an LX7 a few hours ago >_<
It was either:
Then I based it on the overall IQ, AF speed and the local market price. My mom will be happy with her new toy.
I got an RX100 last week. Since it was cold and rainy for 7 days, I took some indoor cat photos (whisker resolution excellent), threw the camera into the sock drawer on top of the other eight digicams, started printing the awful manual, had some tea and Cracker Jacks, and fell asleep.
BJN: I own the EM-5 and a D800 and I fail to see that the EM-5 is a "transformational" camera. It's a nice camera but there's nothing that it does that is more than an incremental improvement over my Panasonic G2. The user interface is poor in many regards, despite all the customization options. The sensor is very good for the format, but again that's just an incremental improvement. The flash is fussy to mount and store, the LCD articulation limited, and the viewfinder sensor is too sensitive.
The D800 on the other hand is intuitive, the system it uses is deep and robust, and the sensor performance is astounding.
I really have no idea what the "best" camera of 2012 is. The EM-5 is my best choice when I need a compact and lightweight system. The D800 is best when image quality (dynamic range and resolution) and low light performance is paramount. Whatever the poll's results, what's "best" is the camera that works best for your particular needs.
Come on, Bob, you live in Manhattan.
jcmarfilph: The place for diehard fans to vote for their camera.
That's a joke.
Najinsky: Poll within a poll
So now we can see how the result is trending, along with a ton of opinions about the poll itself, which gives us a good opportunity to critique this poll.
Please click like on the one of the following options that most closely matches you opinion of the poll:
>4. A Pointless exercise generating pointless posts, yet here I am.
Ha ha! That's a good one.
It's the poll we love to hate.
Actually, I'm here just looking for jokes.