andymuns: There is no such thing as "full frame medium format". Medium Format a sensor or film frame that is bigger then the 135 format (35mm or so called full frame) and smaller 4inch by 5inch format. Please could we get this right for a change.
They did get it right. 135 format (aka small format, aka miniature format) is a full frame format, just like medium format is a full frame format.
It is ignorant at best and generally misleading to refer to 135 format as _the_ full frame format.
James Benet: Nice Pictures, however there is still no substitute for a larger sensor. The watercolor effect is apparent even at ISO 100.
This is a better video camera than photo and while it does it well, it if far from Micro 4/3, APS C and FF quality. Would love a 1" sensor that gave pixel quality at m43 or APS C levels. As a video camera it seems excellent.
The "watercolor effect" is often the result of over-aggressive noise reduction on JPEGs. The one inch sensor is less than 2 stops behind Nikon APS-C, and less than 3 stops behind 35mm, so while it's a significant difference, it's not as shocking a gap as the older 1/1.7" sensors were.
christoph73: Can anyone tell me why 4 aspects of the GX8 are inferior to its predecessor, the GX7? The flash sync is slower, theres no built in flash and the evf resolution has decreased. I would have expected an oled viewfinder to be a higher resolution. And the weight is really creeping up for a mirrorless micro four thirds camera. Its heavier than the original sony a7 full frame mirrorless. If Panasonic can fix the problems of the GM5 with its replacement such as a decent flash sync, fully electronic shutter, decent resolution viewfinder and a back of body mounted focus button, without increasing its weight, that would be a travel camera to die for. Heres hoping Panasonic!
Regardless of specs, the EVF on the GX8 is far better than the GX7. The specs may say less pixels, but the GX7 EVF was configured as a 16:9 EVF, which meant that parts of it weren't even used when shooting in 4:3 format.
The lack of the built-in flash is a definite loss compared to the GX7.
The weight is less than the EM1 or the GH4. On the other hand, it definitely is larger and heavier than the GX7 (which was a lot of camera in a small body!)
princecody: Is DPreview being "dramatic" on this shutter shock thang? I've talked to a bunch of Panasonic GX8 owners on here and on other sites that say they haven't had this issue. Maybe DPreview got a defective unit in for review?
No, it does exist, and in particular with some combination of the lighter construction zoom lenses and the Pany lenses with OIS (i.e. moving elements). So the Pany "kit" zooms and the "super" zooms seem to be the most affected.
The result of shutter shock tends to be a subtle blurring of the image at (roughly) the 0.5 to 1.5 pixel range. I shot images of small text at different shutter speeds and on different lenses (using a tripod and an electronic tether to control the camera), alternating mechanical and electronic shutter, and it was obvious (viewed at 400% magnification) that shutter shock was real, and that it directly contributed to a loss of sharpness.
In the end, it's just one more thing to remember (one of a long list!) when you're shooting. Not a big deal, but if you are going for absolute sharpness and it happens to bite you, it's going to be annoying.
Zoron: LX200 anywhere near the horizon ?
I must admit to being facetious in my previous response. Sometimes the wish-lists of "what to stick into this tiny package" become long enough that you know that the tiny package will no longer contain the result!
And support for interchangeable lenses, IBIS, a better EVF, and a grip. Maybe call it the GX8?
JPMB: I decided that if you got really stoned and read these comments, you would think that 85% are stupid. However under any circumstances about 85% are marginal or pointless. I am not interested in this camera, but I do look forward to the GX8 review. Thanks DPR.
Samuel, you can't be a hipster because you admitted to being a hipster. Real hipsters don't think that being a hipster is cool, because it's a thing, and they aren't into things. Real hipsters are just too cool to be hipsters.
MikeF4Black: Why are so many people asking, repeatedly and sometimes heatedly, for reviews on cameras they already possess?
I try to read all the reviews I can find on the cameras that I already own. That's often how I learn about both the existence of and how to use various features on these cameras, because the manuals are often awful about telling you what's new and how to use it. I can't count the number of times I've learned something new about something I already own from a review or a forum post ...
coyot3: So overpriced. 4/3 should be more cheap.
How? It costs a lot of money to get all of that stuff into such a small package, and Olympus doesn't sell in the giant quantities that Canon and Nikon do.
io_bg: Looks great but it's too expensive for what it is.
GX8 is around $900 now in the US from "reputable dealers".
WordsOfFarewell: Hm, APS-C for $2000? Seems like a tad overpriced even though the other features may seem pretty good. Guess this might make a good weapon for Sports or Press people however. Nothing for me though. Still waiting for a D900.
Even less. Under $1100 at Amazon right now, and probably a lot less than that when periodic specials pop up.
It won't be $2000 for long. Once the initial backlog of pre-orders clears, Nikon will steadily push the price down to $1200 before you know it ..
Looks great! Nikon pulled out the stops on this one.
Costco (US) has a 2-lens Panasonic GF7 kit for $500 that includes a case and high end Panasonic memory card. The two lenses themselves run $500 grey market (and significantly more than that retail). Quite a steal.
All of the cameras reviewed are pretty good for what they are, and are especially tempting considering the prices when you can get a deal on a bundle.
W4YNE 1: I just find it hard to coceive that you are holding a "camera" in your hands worth the price of a small car. Like designer clothes you are paying for something to be different, it won't guarentee you success or better pictures?
Ivan - I thought that medium format cameras came permanently attached to a tripod! ;-)
Sitting Duck Photos: For an M43 camera the GX8 output looks fairly good but the cost vs value continues to be a valid question.
Just wait a year ... ;-)
peterwr: Is it just my cheap laptop screen, or is this (and the raw version) hellishly noisy for 200ISO? I'm seeing some blotchiness on the girl's chin, too, especially in the raw. Very disappointing - I had my hands on this camera a few weeks ago and was seriously considering getting one.
I'll take a look on the Mac later, but so far, it's not looking too good.
definitely noticeable noise there. it is a challenging shot in low light, with the light behind the subject (see the exposure comp). to be fair, this shot will likely print beautifully up to 8x10 size, and the noise is only visible at 100%. but it's not a nikon 810.
The Squire: Like the 42.5.
Just need an LX100-alike body to attach it too plz!
GX7? GM1? GM5? EP5? EPL7? EPM2? GF6? GF7? EM10?
How many options does one need? ;-)
Will Gerrits: Nice review. But where are the reviews of the 4/3 system so we can compare the quality of the lenses in "small" systems : Fuji vs Panasonic/Olympus ???
Yeah, that less-than-2mm difference in an APS sensor is HUGE!!! ;-)
Pretty cool ..