Vitruvius: No camera sensor shift IS, no lens optical IS... means that it would either need to be a MUCH better system than cameras like the EM-5 in some other way or much cheaper.
Arn wrote "I see little point comparing the m43 cameras to the larger and wider aspect ratio APS-C sensor cameras."
YA! I totally agree. The OMD EM5 BLOWS the Samsung away! Even with less pixels and a smaller sensor! Go ahead. Try the studio comparison tool. The NX 20 is not listed but the NX210 has the same sensor. The M43 camera beats the APS-C camera COMPLETELY! Everyone says size matters. In general yes, but not always. So why not have a smaller camera system that has better performance? Seems like a no brainer to me. Unless you are trying to compensate for something else.
the reason: what the hell am i supposed to do with a 67.5mm lens??? Canon Nikon, Pentax, and samsung dont seem to get it, if you have an APS C sensor you should make APS C lenses. Fuji gets it, the upcoming 56.5mm comes to 85mm f1.4, a classic portrait lens. Even m4/3s gets it with the upcoming 42.5mm f1.2 (coming to 85mm), and every lens they make comes to a classic focal length . Heck, even the nikon 1 system has an upcoming 32.5mm f1.2 that comes to 85mm.Just drop the system already and be done with it, stop half assing it
Try changing the aspect ratio on your digital camera and then see what happens to your 'perfect' focal lengths! You might as well throw your hands in the air and run out the door screaming! Or just stop posting really stupid comments.
Every image is distorted by the lens to make it appear flat. No two lenses will be a perfect match.
No camera sensor shift IS, no lens optical IS... means that it would either need to be a MUCH better system than cameras like the EM-5 in some other way or much cheaper.
To be constructive... I have found the paper clips with the lime green background and the dark glass bottles to be good comparison areas. They have specular highlights and are an indication of how well the sensor records real three dimensional objects with edges and very smooth gradations. The photo cards have white to black steps but the dark bottles have much more subtle transitions which can bring out JPEG banding issues. This is also handy if you plan to shoot green screen since it gives and indication of edge bleed in real life. The feathers are a good indication of how well you will be able to filter out a background with a person's hair.
Sorry, but a picture of printed pictures on a wall does not have this kind of depth for comarison.
rich889: the point of the comparison scene is to COMPARE between cameras across the board, OLD AND NEW. The most logical way to do that is to expand the current scene rather than delete it and start with a clean slate.
@ Simon Joinson -"If we expand it and increase the shooting distance, the magnification changes and the comparability is lost. We will be reshooting around 80 cameras. We did think about this stuff."
You already compensate for the variaty of sensor sizes and crop factors presumably with lenses or changing the distance from camera to scene. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you could expand the existing scene and shoot the same scene as before AND ALSO move back and shoot the entire new scene as well.
This does not look like a Sony. Maybe Audi R10?
dfswan: We will know just how exceptional the GH3 is when see come comparison shots to the larger sensor APS sensors. The pictures that Lumix is publishing on their global site (http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/dslm/gh3_special/gallery/index.html) are really quite exceptional. If the GH3 can produce pictures equivalent to the D7000 with its great color depth, and still maintain its smaller footprint with smaller lenses, and great features, how can you argue with that? The Lumix and Leica/Lumix lenses are already first class! Even if the sensor is manufactured by Sony, it certainly has great siblings. If the only weaknesses for the M4/3 cameras were the sensors, and that issue has been handled, we are certainly in for a treat.
Remember when APS sensors couldn’t compare to the Full Format Sensors. That gap has closed, and now the M43 gap appears to be closing as well. Let’s just hope the gap is closed and no more luging around oversized cameras and lenses!
You are completely missing the DOF issue. Perhaps not of importance to you but it is to most others.
Ya, I agree, good idea.... whoever came up with that idea must be a genius!
I agree with others that there at least needs to be glass and metal objects in the scene. A small light source would also be interesting. The new scene looks really flat.
Why not simply expand the area of the existing scene around the perimeter and add a secondary camera position?
This sounds like a great idea in general but as people noted the primary point of the tool is to compare. So with an entire new scene it will not really be possible to do direct comparisons to last years cameras.
Expanding the existing scene and adding new light configurations and a secondary camera position would solve both problems during the transition time.
photowipe: It's simple. Everything about film involved guessing, even highly educated guesses like the Zone System provided. Anyone even considering applying the Zone System to digital should already know enough about the current tools that hardware and software provide (histograms, previews and highlight warnings) to know that guessing is no longer necessary. It's the same reason why you don't see very many photographers who fully understand digital using hand-held light meters any more- they only helped us guess what the exposure should be, but usually needed to be interpreted. Film is about guessing, digital is about knowing. The Zone System is a film technique.
Wow, you obviously have not read the whole book or you just don't understand it so why are you commenting? I see far more digital photogs guessing today than I ever did with film. Guessing used to cost money and was risky with film which is why people learned. Most people I talk to now with a digital camera don't know what aperture means.
This is a classified as a "Large Sensor Compact"?????!!?!? The sensor is 1/6 the size of the G1X and 1/4 the size of the RX100 - also "Large Sensor Compact" cameras. So then what isn't classified as a "Large Sensor"????
Rio Yandri: why lots of people complaining about the tilt screen? most of more expensive and more advance DSLR dont have tilt screen and no one complain about it. and they produce great images! and if you said that they are P&S camera that should have because of their mobility, then treat them like a point and shoot cam.. don't complain about their small sensors. because they are just a simple camera for walk around when you are not bringing your cool big DSLRs! deal with it boys... there are no perfect camera like you want it to. these company must have some reason for their product.. they are not dumb..
but if you feel that you are smart enough compare to them, why don't you have your own camera company? :D
i am not a canon fan boy, i used canon, fuji and iphone :) and i love pentax and dreaming of leica and hasselblad....and i will change my g11 with this g15 :)
Your comparison of this type of camera and DSLR is very flawed. The Canon 60D has articulated screen but you lose AF speed when you use it. Why is that? If you figure out what the difference between a mirrored and mirrorless camera is then you might figure out that there are lots of people who want high image quality and don't need a big flapping mirror. I have found that the M4/3 segement is becoming more appealing since it is approaching the image quality of pro DSLRs with a fraction of the cost in glass and a fraction of the size and weight.I am more likely to carry a belt pack with me than a large back pack. And if I can get great images then that is what I want. Mirrorless Interchangable systems with articulatd screens are very versatile for people who shoot from awkward positions. I know a few pro photogs who say that they simply are not able to take the shots they want BECAUSE they don't have an articulated screen. So why would you limit yourself as a camera maker?
LIGHT SABRE ELTERIBLE: I am a big Nikon fan but have always preferred the Canon G series to the Nikon P series. Nikons new P7700 is the first P series that I would have bought instead of the Canon regardless of the slightly slower lens but Nikon Decided to exclude a viewfinder and have a fully articulated swivel screen instead. That unfortunately is a dealbreaker for me.I can live without the swivel screenbut the a viewfinder in my opinion is an absolute essential when shooting in certain conditions. Canon have lost the swivel screen but retain the viewfinder so for Loyal Nikon fan I will unfortunately have to buy the Canon instead.
Hope you can actually see something through the tiny peep-hole viewfinder. Good luck.
I use the articulated screen for about 95% of my shooting. Why would Canon remove this? They are really out of touch with consumers and as much as I want to buy Canon... they just aren't making anything good in this range any more. No wonder their prices are dropping.
Vitruvius: I got the first edition from a used book store. Excelent tool and most of it still applies to digital. Not sure why this system needs a digital translation except to make more money from sales. Even the new cover is an obvious sales push.
Lots of old school rules in the book that most people have not heard about. Like how to get a propor exposure range for people shots outside by metering the back of your hand in direct sun and then in shade. The auto settings on your camera will take everything into account. But only you know that the skin tones need to be in the middle of he exposure range. Or you can just AE bracket like a clueless idiot and cross your fingers and resist learing anything useful and still get something and spend more time later on the computer and not be any wiser.
Just realized that the latest edition now covers digital histograms. That might be nice info addition.
I got the first edition from a used book store. Excelent tool and most of it still applies to digital. Not sure why this system needs a digital translation except to make more money from sales. Even the new cover is an obvious sales push.
DPREVIEW - Can you please order this and shoot your test scene so that we can all have a good laugh as you throw away $150. Meanwhile I will post my dogs old neck cone on ebay as a Numbnuts for $99.
Good job... of avoiding rectilinear urban scenes! The only image with some straight lines (3849) shows significant pincushion on the top siding board. I am thinking that downtown would look like a 'fish bowl'.
I am NOT a legal beagle, and I hate getting harrased in public while taking a picture of a building, BUT ...
I see legal implications written all over this (besides trying to get through customs at the airport).
Google street view had to automate software to go through ALL their images and blurr out faces and license pllates. It is actually funny because even the faces on billboards are blurred out.
What happens when people start posting video blogs or live visual diaries and somebodies wife sees their husband with their X?
You ARE responsible for what you post online and it is almost irretrievable. The number of people trying to erase their digital past is growing.
For a history of this idea see Steve Mann / cyberman;
And don't be surprised to be assaulted...