More than SIX months and nothing. Just like in the camera stores where they must get bonuses to PUSH PUSH PUSH Canon and Nikon down everyone's throats, DPREVIEW puts one of the best cameras on the back shelf. I have this camera for 4 months and it is amazing. So I am doing my own tests and review.
Crude video reviews -
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Hey Amazon, I am open to offers too!
Lots of comments about SSD and I would have agreed but I watched a commentary about the ATOMOS systems and they use traditional HDD for their "long term proven reliability". So I would trust that the experts know more than I do.
Part two of my personal experience with the A77ii - the remote control options - for those that might be interested. It is not high end production, just my thoughts since DPreview seems to be overwhelmed at the moment with all the new cameras on the market.
First look is here -
IonPortraits: I haven't read the rest of the opinions here and I am far from an expert on the field but common sense dictates that without the photographer the monkey wouldn't be in the position to take this selfie. He should at least be able to have a share of any income this picture will bring to others who will use it in the future.
Exactly my point. Discussing 'pulling the trigger' rights infers all other rights as well whether you want to consider them or not.
You are missing the point. You are implying the monkey has rights by saying it should share in the profits. If so, and the fact that the monkey is clearly identifiable in the pictures, then your argument IMPLIES that every photographer would need to get a copyright release according to current Copyright laws.
Without the monkey the photographer would only have landscape photos. If you are implying that the monkey has implied rights then every photographer taking pictures of monkeys intended for commercial use would need to get a model release form signed by the monkeys. Enter Jane Goodall and you have a three ring circus where the only winner is the lawyer.
I did a preliminary review / overview of my new A77ii compared to my A77.Here is the link.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzBHuF_FRgFeel free to add comments. I am just learning about the camera myself and there is very little information out there for such a sophisticated camera.
Vitruvius: Under specs for autofocus it lists both contrast detect (sensor) and phase detect. Is this right? Also the wireless and smartphone remote control (Play Memories) is VERY limited at the moment. It is just a remote live view with a trigger. That's it. No apps work with the A77ii yet. But I hope they change that.
I am pretty sure it doesn't use the sensor AF since the a6000 has much wider area of AF sensors. My A77ii does not have AF points as far around the image. But it would be great if Sony had used both AAF technology together with the image information. Perhaps that is the new A99ii but it would need a very powerfull processor.
Thanks everyone for the replies. I Know the a6000 uses the 'same' sensor as the A77ii but 'without' the on-sensor contrast detect AF. It still has live view and video during AF, obviously. The A77ii adds the SLT mirror and phase detect sensors which are better. And is uses the image information from the sensor as well to figure out which phase detect sensor to use. But what I don't understand is why they wouldn't also use the contrast detect AF point on the sensor as additional information to help the AF system since there are many more of them and they cover a wider area.
If you have ever been close to one of these (and the model obviosly would be) you would know how incredibly loud they are, not to mention the obvious danger of getteing seriously injury from the blades. And you will be changing batteries every 20 to 30 minutes. Otherwise great idea though.
Lassoni: This camera isn't serious. It would probably be more so if it had 10-16 megapixel. The ISO performance seems to be worse than A6000. Right now, A6000 looks to be much better camera. http://thenewcamera.com/tag/sony-a77-ii/
For my 'work', I was able to deal with the noise fairly successfully in Lightroom up to ISO 3200. The advantage it had for me was the dynamic range, which is fantastic. I agree that the AF tracking on the A77 was disappointing and that is partially what I bought it for. A few weeks ago my A77 was bumped and fell into a lake. The lake was kind of wet. Just was told by Sony that it is not repairable. So I brought home the A77ii yesterday. I am sorry to hear about the bad price in Europe. Not fair. I hope the AF works better on the new A77ii. Another feature I look forward to is the AF tracking speed control during video. Something I would really use and other cameras would not have.
Vitruvius: Top of page 4 - the SLT mirror does NOT redirect 1/3 of the light. It is about 1/3 of a stop of light.
Interesting that they would NOT have included the on-sensor phase detect AF from the a6000 in this camera in addition to the SLT AF sensors. I have about 7000+ actuation shooting action with my A77 and the AF tracking is actually very poor even with fast lenses and SSM / HSM.The only reason I would have spent an extra $400 on the new A77ii was for the same AF system as the a6000. I wonder why they would not have included this on the A77ii? If it is the same sensor why can't they combine the information from both AF systems? But I guess we will have to see how they compare.
Thanks Michel. Also tested on the original A77 here at 8:30 mark.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al1BI82nV9A@BarnET - great idea but the mirror interferes with the lens, unfortunately. But you are able to take it out fairly easily and forgo AF if you want.
Kane1972: The thing that seems to get missed on any Sony SLT camera is the fact it had TRUE Live View, which is something Canikon cannot say. In other words, what one sees in the EVF is the image they end up with. No more checking your shot, adjusting the settings and taking another, just adjust first and then shoot!
Also focus peaking. Has this been improved at all? Not sure it needs to be any better, but more colour options would be nice. This feature is invaluable to manual lens shooters.
@Eleson - Thanks for the tip.
gmke: I am NOT interested in this camera because of some Sony snake oil. Here we have the world's premiere maker of photo sensors building a defect into a camera design that seriously hampers deep ISO. The claim is that the "translucent" mirror only steals 1/3 of an f-stop. Go to the SLT-A77 jpeg noise page and choose the Oly E-M5, Nikon D5100, and Panasonic G3 for comparison, all at normal or standard noise reductions. Note that the noises at ISO-3200 on the E-M5 and D5100 are very well controlled. Then drop the ISO back to 800 and notice how noisy the A77 getup is. Roughly speaking, one might conclude that the translucent mirror makes the A77 as bad as the four thirds sensor in the Panasonic G3. That's a two stop drop, not 1/3. These observations make it very difficult to care about improvements in the AF system.
It is about 1/3 of a stop. See 8:30 here for tests.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al1BI82nV9ANo snake oil, only poor in camera compression. Hope my new A77ii is better.
Treeshade: Could this be the long-awaited D400 (D9300) and EOS 7D mk2 ?( No. Those who want a D400/7D2 are often too heavily invested into the lens system to switch.)
@ WBateman - Exactly why I switched from Canon EOS to Sony about a year ago. Sold my Canon lenses for one good Sony lens and will rebuild from there. Canon and Nikon are sitting high and mighty on their "we serve pros" perch and I am happy to see SOMEBODY make them actually try to innovate again.
sunnycal: Same cRaw? No lossless comressed (or uncompressed) raw?
That RawDigger article is awesome! Thanks you very much. I always wondered why my Sony RAW files were not as clean as I expected. Would be nice if they offered a true RAW output mode as an option and perhaps disable the 12fps feature in that mode as a trade off.
Under specs for autofocus it lists both contrast detect (sensor) and phase detect. Is this right? Also the wireless and smartphone remote control (Play Memories) is VERY limited at the moment. It is just a remote live view with a trigger. That's it. No apps work with the A77ii yet. But I hope they change that.
@ Lassoni - You should stop talking about things you don't have any experience. You say something about what other people said on the internet and by doing so become another one of those people on the internet that other read who have no actual experience with the camera and propagate false information. I OWN the A77 and the ISO performance is actually very good. The "problem" is that the camera does very little in-camera processing compared to other cameras. But if you set up profiles in Lightroom for your RAW files you get much better images than your comparisons. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.
Polytropia: No 4K? How do they expect to compete?
4k for $1k in camera recording is available on the FZ1000. Not APS-C but low light stills performance seems almost as good as any APS-C on the market. Otherwise try Sony RX-10.
Miguel Rodríguez: Wow, the noise at 1600 looks terrible... Fuji and Olympus are way better:
Anyways at this time the is too much speculation, so let's wait a bit.
Sony has far less in-camera noise reduction than Oly. What you gain with Sony and lose with Oly is the dynamic range. Check DXO Mark. I take my A77 RAW files into lightroom and I can selectively reduce the noise as I want and still retain far more information. But if you want out-of-camera JPEGs then Oly is the easier workflow solution.