So will Sandisk now replace those 6 of the cards they previously sold me which have such erratic access times that I cannot use them with my GoPro3 (Protune)? An 80MB/sec average speed is useless if occasionally the card takes 700msec to return from a write access, causing software timeout in the GoPro...
I have ordered a 16GB version of these (which is almost as expensive as my excellent 64GB Samsung Pro mSDXC cards) and will test the cards out thoroughly this time..
Doug Pardee: I've got the free Camera FV-5 Lite on my LG Lucid, and the ISO setting has no effect. It'll let me set whatever ISO I want, but the picture is always taken with Auto ISO. I don't know if that's true of the paid version.
Other camera apps are able to adjust the ISO, so I don't think it's my low-end phone that's the problem.
It works fine for me - Galaxy Note N7000
Camera FV-5 saves images as lossless PNG with a background queue to allow fast recovery, shot-to-shot. Adjustments include EV, ISO and a stack of other things which make a control-freak photographer, like me, very happy...
I also use Pro HDR Camera and CameraPro. The latter for taking videos beyond the 4GB file length limitation.
This would be a wonderful spare VOIP phone for my Google voice account. I would still probably use my Galaxy Note as a phone, and this as a spare, perhaps on T-Mobile's $3/day unlimited occasional use SIM card (pay only the days you use).
From the upgrade notes:
** "MOTION PICTURES CANNOT BE RECORDED" **
Panasonic used to be at the top of the heap for movie recording with P&S cameras. This, and the 30 minute FullHD limitation, have me looking elsewhere.
I can't believe Panny would throw away their lead in video technologies..
I wonder why my Samsung Galaxy Note Cellphone can record FullHD for 50 minutes without any 30 minute limitation?
Frankly, I don't buy this WTO press-release. As far as I can see, the 30 minute limitation is being encouraged by the major manufacturers as it prevents the viability of their Camcorder products from being threatened by the newer P&S cameras.
Until 2012, Panasonic was only limiting European cameras, but now they are limiting camera models for countries which do not have the import tarif restrictions (USA, Hong Kong, Singapore)
Ben Raven: A MODEST PROPOSAL TO DP REVIEW: Re: The 30 minute video time limit(and the over-heating limitations)
Attention: Richard Butler, Andy Westlake, Amadou Diallo et al.,
To quote (and give proper credit to) Robbster (from a reply to me below):
" . . . until we can get the manufacturers to do the right thing, I think we should request THAT THE RECORD TIME BE A STANDARD SPECIFICATION ITEM FOR EACH VIDEO FORMAT SUPPORTED BY A CAMERA."
This would require only a few characters in a preview and review.
This is a video performance spec of precisely the same parallel importance as the battery charge shot capacity spec for still shots !
It is information ESSENTIAL in evaluating a piece of equipment for one's particular video performance requirements.
And I know that I do not have to remind you Noble Gentlemen of DP REVIEW how EVER INCREASINGLY important the video abilities of virtually all still cameras are --from the lowliest P&S (and cell phone !) to PRO !
Maloy, my cellphone can take excellent 1080p video.
I wonder why that capability has been added to cellphones? Perhaps because there is a demand? Because not all of us have our heads in the sand, pretending video and stills are different? Both are intended to convey allusion and memories. It is best for both to be at your fingertips, to choose as appropriate for the occasion.
Oh wait - I have already used my cellphone instead of my ZS15 during our Madrid trip last week... It worked well..No wonder Samsung is winding down production of P&S cameras...
Ben Raven: So let me get this straight,
Because some people MIGHT video a movie with a STILL camera, the REST OF THE POPULATION OF PLANET EARTH are now considered convicted co-conspirators. And without due process, must be assessed a penalty AND have our right to video ANYTHING for longer than 30 minutes straight revoked.Oh, and did I mention that this outrage is being imposed by a for-profit industry in conjunction with vulture camera manufacturers opportunistically using this pathetic excuse to attempt to squeeze more $$$$ out of their customers' pockets !!
One more important technical note--A quality HD video camera, unfettered by this limit, is capable of higher quality than the average still camera, and would be the obvious choice for intellectual property rights thieves.
Also, since more and more people are watching Blu-Ray level movies, the call for inferior video and wretched non-surround sound(with coughs) knockoffs is diminishing.
And we're supposed to be alright with this ?!?
Ben, thanks for your response. China also only allows 2 batteries, per camera. Oppressive? Well, you certainly won't get an ENG camcorder through customs unless your visa says "journalist" -- and there are few of those visas issued.
But it is a wonderful country, with a wonderful people who have given me many hours of joy :) This footage, for example, was shot (a long time ago) with my Panasonic LX5:https://vimeo.com/12292094
No extended recordings in that clip! But I have been waiting for a Panasonic MOS sensor camera to stop those vertical lines from the light bulbs in the butcher shop... Now I will have to wait, I guess, or carry two P&S cameras instead of one...
I did carry both the LX5 and the ZS15 to Granada, Spain, last week, but ended up using my new cellphone camera for the quick-reaction candid shots, rather than the ZS15. The phone is a Samsung Galaxy Note, which incidentally records 50 minutes of FullHD video nonstop :)
China only allows one camera of each type for each visitor. I have to use the camcorder for A-roll, and my LX5 for B-roll (you do understand that nomenclature, I guess?)
But since you are obviously a technically expert and experienced videographer, I am sure you could do a much better job than I...
I could give many other examples of why I feel betrayed by Panasonic over this new 30 minute crippling, but you obviously aren't listening, so I will save my breath...
richg101: the 30 minute limit affects not one of the complainers here at DP. Most dont even use their cameras -for spending time talking about them is a lot easier than actually using them. rubbish topic of debate.
I have only posted here 1647 times.In your eyes I don't count? Open your eyes. Every few weeks I record a conference session of around two hours, then extract the interesting stuff from it. I mainly use my LX5, as it records for over 2 hours from one battery.
This new limitation is a critical problem for me...
Ben Raven: Robbster, et al.,
WILL THE REAL VILLAINS STEP UP !
Who then are the culprit Manufacturers crippling their still cameras' video capacity out of opportunistic greed, and thus obstructing our creative control.
Let's make the list !
At the moment it is ALL OF THEM. Panasonic, up until 2012, allowed unlimited AVCHD recording. The FZ-150 can record beyond 30 minutes, for example.
But all the Panasonic 2012 models, worldwide, have been crippled. I can't even buy an un-crippled one from Hong Kong :(
Daryl Cheshire: The Canon 5D Mk III will start a new file on reaching 4GB. But the 30 min limit remains. What I want to do is record car journeys which can exceed 30 mins.I don't know if this limit exists in Australia and I'd like to pay the extra tax if there is a firmware option. But it seems to be a European tax which affects the whole world.This is similar to the (no longer applied) tethering restrictions placed on the iPhone because of an agreement with AT&T which affected the world distribution and encouraged jailbreaking.
Tethering is a perfect analogy.. it is up to the user to decide how to use the camera they have bought
Greynerd: Looking at the feedback over time on some cameras it might be an idea to carry a compact fire extinguisher with you when taking extended videos on a camera designed for stills, just in case the heat cutout fails to trip. Just a little tip.
Never had that trouble with my LX5. I run it until the battery dies some times, 2 hours and 30 minutes. Never overheated.
I wish people here would post based on personal experience, not hearsay...
* Rubbish - the limitation that Panny put on FullHD for their 2012 US models is solely to protect Panny's camcorder product range *
WTO has nothing to do with this, outside of Europe. Here in the USA the Panny P&S cameras have had unlimited AVCHD until now.
This new limitation is purely Panny marketing. And, as a result, I will never again consider a Panny camcorder. I have been using the Canon HF100 and MF41 series up until now, in any case. They are better than the Panny camcorders at low light...
Donald Lam: Digicams are not designed to be a dedicated camcorder. The small battery will be hard pressed to record for more than 30 minutes. Heat sinking of the sensor and electronics is another issue.
My LX5 records AVCHD for over two hours. I use it to record sessions at conferences and lectures. Currently limited to 720p, of course.
Neoasphalt: I wonder to know why DPReview withdraw all sensor pixel density values from specifications, cause it's the main number to determine low light performance (and overall output quality as well). I have some suspicion that its been done as a result of pressure from some manufacturers.Those where main numbers when I started to compare different cameras!It is clear, if people get more knowledge about these values, unnecessary (but profitable) megapixel race would be under the risk.
Simon, How is pixel density not an absolute indicator of IQ/noise performance? Each of the most sensitive cameras I have used had a lower density value. Sure, CMOS vs CCD vs MOS is an issue, but surely the pixel density data is an important evaluator to assess?
Incidentally, I don't care what discussion has been on the forums. If I have to go elsewhere to get data, then I will do so. This density data is one of the most useful parameters I scan when looking over a range of cameras, IMO.
DPreview has always been my first stop for info. But saying "Its time had come, and gone" has really disillusioned me with the technical prowess being displayed here. Sorry about that. But its the truth.
dtmoody: LOL. Not one person is impressed?
Not me. Detail is lost, especially similar colors like foliage, and the dark reddish building behind the boat in image number 2.
As for what I expect, I use an LX5 with RAW and Sillypix. I expect much better from a bad shot than I see here. OK< I have tweaked the NR, gamma, etc, on the LX5, but still...