All this stuff is to expensive for me to afford. To bad I can't just buy half.
kinglau711: It's a shame, 3 posts and no value added information.
What's the point of doing a hands-on ?
Hope you will do better next time.
Added information is, if you want to buy this camera plus accessory viewfinder, now you know your setup will be too ugly to be used near any light source. Maybe Canon did this so you're encouraged to test the sensor in low light...
qwertyasdf: What's the practical advantage of a multi-aspect sensor?I'd like to use the full 15mpx and crop afterwards any day.
Why so many complaints about the lack of external controls? It's just a matter of getting used to. (unless it is as crappy as old NEX menus) External controls make more sense in DSLRs when your eyes are glued to the VF, but in a liveview camera, it is not as essential.
Pratical advantage is, you can design a lens system to make a smaller image circle on a larger sensor you already have and save money in the process. Added lens performance also hopefully surpass the few corner pixel advantage so is a win/win scenario. Hopefully.
RichRMA: So why is it so hard to design a demountable lens with the same characteristics and SIZE as the one grafted on this body?
Because a camera mount takes up lot of physical space, and lot of this space is placed right where 50% of this lens is found.
Oleg Vinokurov: If only they included vf-4, then there would be a good point to buy this instead of older e-m5. In Japan new e-m5 seems will be cheaper than e-m10.
beacuse is a product near the end of its lifecycle. If the features suits you, is a bargain obviously, and will drop more after a new model is shown to public
pixelpushing: I think Olympus is diluting their product line unnecessarily. Unless this is a replacement for one of the prior models (it doesn't appear so, with the shuffling of features), they're just going to muddy the waters.
A new generation sensor and moving away/up from 16MP is going to be needed, soon.
I don't see this confusion in Olympus offer... they have 2 mirrorless lineups with or without evf. For each line there are 3 models, a cheaper one, a mid-range and a high end one. This specific one lose from the mid-range one something on the stabilizer and the weather sealing. Also, the long-been-here em-5 will obviously soon will revamped with wifi and some other blings.Do you value weather sealing and 5 axes ibis? Get the EM5. Need wifi too? Wait few months. You have a lot of money? get the EM1. Looks simple to me...
yslee1: Why are the 20mm f/1.7 and 25mm f/1.8 so expensive? These should be inexpensive double gauss designs, so I don't really get the pricing, especially so when gems like the 45mm f/1.8 seem more in line with their larger counterparts.
I just hope panny's 20 will drop a little now that there are more options.. while I'm quite sure there is a cartel for m43 lenses price.
first diy camera I see with an electronic shutter, really nice project!
Jogger: I could see these doing well in Walmart, Target, Staples, or Radioshack. There is a place for cheap off-brand, products like this. And, in many places around the world, American nameplates are still well regarded; e.g. Buick is considered a luxury brand in China.
I understand what you mean, but I don't get the point. A 10K$ camera makes better pictures than a 500$ one at the same aperture? Ok, no pulizer material. Pana/Oly is lying when call a 1.4 lens fast? Well I suppose they should write in the PR "this is our new 1.4 lens, good enought to compete with with the best 2.0 lenses for APS cameras"?
Roland, what you say might seem to make sense, but you are just assuming that other people are ignorant. Aperture and diameter are different things, that is why they have different names. Why should you assume that who buy an f1.4 lens for m4/3 expect it to catch as many photons as a f1.4 lens for an Hasselblad? Also is the Hasselblad faster? No, because this is photography and if you use the word "fast" it has a precise meaning.
kimchiflower: A more useful range than most kit zooms, starting at an EFL of 24mm.
This looks to be a pretty cheapo made BY china rather than made IN china camera though. $600 for a twin lens kits? Imagine the price 6 months after launch!
Don't make too much fun of China, they are slowly surpassing other international markets in many fields. The once had only low price, today there are tons of quality made by china product that surpass much higher priced western options. I suppose many here have sime treasured old soviet glass in the bag... your sons will have china ones, and they will be great!
well yabokkie, now spread some light on our underexposed minds about the f-number conspirancy...
straylightrun: Am I the only one genuinely interested in the lenses? The 12-45mm is definitely more interesting than the plethora of 14-42mm lens options on the m43 system. The 42.5-160mm also looks nice and compact.
I suppose every owner of a m43 body are. If nothing else, some new lenses might help lower the price of existing ones a bit..
Lukino: I wanted to hate this camera, but it is so ugly I want to carry it around everyday.. Please Samsung, make a flatter non-superzoom version, something that crazy will become an icon!
I mean I want a non-superzoom-integral-vertical-grip one!Not because I find it useful, or I think there is a market for it, just because it will look crazy. I mean, just try to figure this one whithout the lens bulge on the front!
Zeisschen: typical Samsung. Create something cheap that looks like a "pro" tool. They know the market, it consists of mainly of people that want to show of with a big camera and want "all in one", no changeable lenses. Marketing makes this camera possible and it will probably be successfull. People use these kind of camera in their holiday, mostly good light and in low light it has a flash. That's not what photographers want, but what "most normal people" want.
well zeiss, if this is what most normal people want, other camera companies are plain crazy, because there is lot more "normal" people than "photographer" out there...
hexxthalion: Dear Samsung, please leave cameras, well you know, to camera companies and go back to designing some fridges or whatever you are good at
Dear hexxsomething, I won't subscribe to your point of view, but I must say I have a Samsung fridge, and is a great fridge!
I wanted to hate this camera, but it is so ugly I want to carry it around everyday.. Please Samsung, make a flatter non-superzoom version, something that crazy will become an icon!
Edmond Leung: FF is the future.Olympus, Fuji, Panasonic, Pentax..... Wake up!Where are your FF?Do you want to quit the camera market?
Wait, wait, go slowly, my head is spinning...Are you telling me.....FOR REAL?......you mean......a 2700$ camera makes better pictures than one that costs 1000$? Woah, man, you really opened my eyes!
Am I the only one to find this camera ugly? I love old "F"s, but this Df looks to me more like a medium format Kiev than one of those sexy Nikons I lusted after in my youth...
tinternaut: Did Panasonic do a year without new lenses?
Pana released the incredibly tiny but sharp 12-32 optically stabilized lens that is sold as a kit with the GM1. I don't know if is actually sold separately, I'd love to have it in my (small) bag.