thx1138: Sorry Mt Terada, there is NO life left in the antediluvian 1/2.33" sensor. It's way past it's used by date, so let's stop propping it up. 1/1.7" should be the new 1/2.33" and 1" should be the new 1/1.7".
I think that the problem is not the size of sensor but the number of pixes.
io_bg: So what if it doesn't have a VF? Before buying my DSLR I used a Sony point&shoot which has a small VF but I have actually never used it. Being so small it's kinda useless!
Size of VF is one parameter and to see aprox.70% of scene is about nothing, but from my poit of view there is more important parameter and it is exposition parameters. P7000, P7100 has VF without any exposure information, about where is AF point etc. The same VF has G15 and the others competitors. So why is this "optical tunnel" important for some people? Someone talks that the display is bad when back lighting. Of course it is, but how can I take picture without knowing where the camera focused? I'd like to say, than only VF is not enough.
Slanicka Tomas: I can't believe my eyes. I have checked calendar. Today is not 1.april. Where is LX7, P7700, XF1 and other cameras which takes good pictures? If you define category which requires to choose between G15, LX7 or P7700, so I don't agree but accept that the G15 win. But the theme is Compact cameras. Compact. So why is FZ-200 between compact cameras? Is it possible to put this monster into pocket? No! Much more compact than FZ-200 is G1X.Boys, boys, I believe that you made this list of top 5 cameras with good intention but without description of your ideas we don't understand to you.
To Barney Britton: What could it possibly matter if there is just list of cameras from 5 classis? Whom it will help? I think this is illusory list because it looks like list of Top 5 cameras.
I can't believe my eyes. I have checked calendar. Today is not 1.april. Where is LX7, P7700, XF1 and other cameras which takes good pictures? If you define category which requires to choose between G15, LX7 or P7700, so I don't agree but accept that the G15 win. But the theme is Compact cameras. Compact. So why is FZ-200 between compact cameras? Is it possible to put this monster into pocket? No! Much more compact than FZ-200 is G1X.Boys, boys, I believe that you made this list of top 5 cameras with good intention but without description of your ideas we don't understand to you.
Simon97: The Nikon P7700 looks better with low ISO jpegs, but Canon looks better at 1600 (not sure why DPR uses 3200 to show default high ISO with these smaller sensor cameras). Raws are more even. I'd say look at the camera's other features and decide that way.
The RX100 doesn't really distance itself from these smaller sensor cameras here. It does have the resolution advantage but it makes softer images (especially off axis) and noise performance isn't much better. Of course resizing the RX100 image to 12mp will show its clear advantage but you pay the price in the wallet and zoom range.
Compare 3x bigger sensor from RX100 with P7700/G15 is nonsense. It's the same as if we compare RX100 with APS-C sensor.
Gerbear: Any word on a full review??
Not yet. I'm waiting for detailed test too.
Retzius: Finally! A camera that is available in bronze! Forget the viewfinder, legacy lens compatibility, or a touchscreen. All I need is a bronze camera that quite frankly is the color of poo and all problems are solved.
I agree that the red or bronze versions are ugly. For man, of course, because women have another view. But have you ever seen how coloured bodies makes Pentax? For example Pentax K-x in 4 coloures!!! or K-m with jewellery from Swarovski etc.
Wow. The same HW as D600 with the exception of sensor. They setup the crossbar so high.
Pat Cullinan Jr: I see tentacle.
On the left side there are six shoeprints. Maybe Martians have tentacles and maybe they have foots. ;)
Everything is question of money.
jjonesphotos: I'm guessing that most posters here do more writing on forums like this than actual picture taking. They seem to relish criticsizing cameras they've never actually used, based soley on specifications.
For instance, sensor size: I'd like to see a point an shoot with a large sensor AND a 200mm lens. Pretty sure it wouldn't fit in your pocket.
Well, I have had my p7700 for about a month now and still think it's a great package. I didn't expect it to match my SLR's quality and didin't need it to, but the features it has are remarkable for a point and shoot.
The only shortcoming I've found so far, and it's minsicule, is that the P7700 doesn't seem to have a sleep mode. It will turn of at selectable intervals, up to 30 minutes, but you then have to restart the camera.
Oh, and to anyone who actually buys one of these, the best fitting camera case I've found for the p7700 is a Nikon SS-600, which is meant for the SB-600 speedlight.
I have the same experiences. Month ago I bought J1 to my daughter and I have to confirm, that although the 4/3 system spec looks better, the J1 takes great pictures. Study of spec is really important but spec are not everything.
peterwr: Some of the nicest, most natural pictures I've seen from a compact. Plenty of detail, even at 1600iso, and beautiful colour rendering - though admittedly, I'm not viewing on a calibrated monitor.
If only this camera had an eye-level viewfinder (optical or electronic, I don't mind)*, I'd rush straight out to buy one before the shops close.
* weatherproofing would be the icing on the cake...
Yes, the viewfinder is missing but I have another improvement - Phase detection AF. ;) Maybe we will find it in 2 years in new model.
Raw Images Raw Talk: The samples show that the camera is doing well with what it has to work with. The reality is, at its introduced price, there are great alternatives that offer much better IQ potential. If this size sensor is to live on it needs to do so at around the $300 range and not after 6-9months.
I will say that if this camera body and feature set include a 1" sensor, I would be on line to get one.
Great alternatives? Which of them has F2 on 28mm and F4 at 200mm? I suppose, none.Yes, I agree that bigger sensor produces less noise, but this senzor is not so bad as somebody expected and with great lens on P7700 we can go 1-2EV down than on another cameras. So, sensor size is important parameter, but without good lens the senzor is good for nothing.If this is on me, I'd like to see in P7700 1" sensor with 10MPix. ;)
Digitall: What is the ISO from DSCN0983 (billiard balls) and DSCN0980 (boots) ?
The values do not appear in the image details, even downloading the originals.
Nikon cameras use blank ISO when they use ISO HI.
mpb001: I think these camera makers are really missing the boat by not putting an OVF in an upper level P&S. I agree that they are near useless, but they are extremely valuable to have in bright light when you can't see the LCD. I am a Canon DSLR shooter, but own the excellent Nikon P7100. If I wanted a P&S without a viewfinder I would just use my iphone.
Whatever viewfinder (OVF/EVF) is the reason why I don't have this camera in my pocket. I'm Nikon DSLR shooter and I feel taking pictures without viewfinder as when I'm naked in the bush.
landscapist: Wait a minute, where's the automatic retracting lens cap?Seems it's no longer there.
Did you see how big is the frontal lens? ;)
OneGuy: Talk all you want but because the Nik P7700 is so close to the interch. lens Pana GF5/GF5 as well as Oly PL3/PM1 with bigger sensor and similar size (not to mention touchscreen), Nik P7700 must be in a tough marketing spot.
Perhaps one can try innovative Marketing of Sony by making the price so high only an astute few will see it for what it is: an insult.
There is another point of view. Nikon P7700 has just 1EV worse IQ than Pana, which you mentioned, but don't forget that in the similar body P7700 has 28-200/f2-4!!! lens. If you talk about the size of body, both camera seems to be similar, but if we will talk about what can I get on my money, the P7700 wins on all lines.For those people who wants to have camera every day on every palces in the pocket or handback, the Pana GF is too big and/or has too small focal range.
iudex: Camera with such bright lens does not really need to use ISO6400 (the same could have been shot with ISO 1600 and 1/25, not mentioning wider aperture). In my experience ISO 1000 is acceptable maximum for this sensor size.
ISO1000? Maybe on the beach and full sun. Take a look at the picture with a sitting man (P1000409). Such a strong posprocessing. I suppose by the noise.But I agree, that the ISO6400 is not a good idea on the small sensor as this camera have.