oluv: can someone tell me how canon manged to squeeze such a compact 15-60/2.8-5.8 lens into the G1 X, and panasonic only managed a 12-32 3.5-5.6?
even if the lens was not fixed (as it is with the G1 X) i still think it could be made similar in size to the 12-32 or x14-42.
when we have a small camera like the GM1, there should also be more really small lenses. i would even welcome collapsible primes, if it would allow them to be pancake-flat. have a look at the 40mm/2.8 pentax pancake, which even covers a fullframe sensor.
where did you see bad IQ? have a look at the samples, it is pretty sharp, and certainly shaper than all mFT kitlenses so far.
i know the 45/1.8 for not being large, but it is the flatness of the lens that really makes the camera compact, not the diameter.
i think there are still some pancakes missing. the 14 and 20mm are certainly perfect, but the 25mm leica is too big, and could definitely be made flatter similar to the 20mm. also longer focal lenghts could be flat, as the 40mm pentax pancake proves.
can someone tell me how canon manged to squeeze such a compact 15-60/2.8-5.8 lens into the G1 X, and panasonic only managed a 12-32 3.5-5.6?
Inlined: I got an expression that most of 12-32 lens sample shots are blurry at the right side. The left side is mostly fine. What is this? Is it something that manufacturer can fix/replace?
And a tiny question: does this camera support "constant preview" on/off mode like GX7?
so far only 12mm seems affected. the 20mm shot is perfectly sharp.
Lab D: I can't believe how small the thing is! Imagine carring it in one pocket with a couple pancake lenses in another. With the 20mm F/1.7 it would be a great P&S camera to compliment a different micro four thirds camera.
an image stab that introduces its own blurring as seen on the E-P5? no thanks...
what about iso125? is it hard to set or has it be dug within the menus?
wow, at 20mm the new 12-32 is indeed pretty sharp, probably not far behind the 20mm pancake.
not bad for iso25600, and not much worse than what i was getting from iso3200 on my G1 some years ago. but the blue-blacks problem still remains with adobe converted files. the jpegs show better blacks, while the raws do have a blue tint. adobe should finally update their color profiles, especially tweak them better for high-iso.
good point lan, i was thinking the same. but so far i had lots of issues with lumix lenses, i had to exchange the 14-140 several times to get a good copy, the same was with 14-45 as my first sample was obviously decentered, the same story with the 25 "leica", as the first copy had strange blurring issues...it seems the story goes on with the 12-32, what a pity as it could have been such a great tiny lens.
Hobbit13: I think in most comments below, people are raving about the excellent performance of the Leica 45mm lens. But I don't think the quite bulky 45mm Leica is a logical companion for the petite GM1. A test scene shot with the 12-32mm F3.5-5.6 kit lens would be much more interesting.
It's sure nice that the sensor in the GM1 performs well, but that is to be expected, because it's the latest iteration of the m4/3s. It's not that the sensor will be worse, because it's placed inside a tiny body. It either fits, or it doesn't. The size of the camera (on the outside) doesn't have much influence on the image quality.
the samples were shot with the m.zuiko 45/1.8 which is not that large and looks quite cute on the GM1 too. besides the mentioned leica cannot compete sharpnesswise against the cheap m.zuiko.
ps. nevertheless i would also be interested in additional samples with the 12-32 lens
the GM1 looks extremly sharp, first i thought the RAW algorithm was stll not tweaked by Adobe (usually they adjust BayerGreenSplit after the first Beta, so images lose a bit of sharpness), but even the jpegs are sharper than GX7.
what kind of music did they play? funk? ;-)
udris: GM1 + Oly 45/1.8 = great little portrait camera ............. hopefully this translates into "real world" use
Strange, i've been using digital cameras since the Canon G5, and although it had a viewfinder, i never used this at all.Neither i had problems with GF1, GF2 and now GX1...
Treeshade: Strange that many comments call for a fixed prime lens m4/3. Wouldn't such a camera be at a direct competition with APS-C sensor - GR, Coolpix A, and X100s? Prehaps true pocketability with sunken lens is the answer. Could Panasonic put a touch screen, a m4/3 sensor, and a 17.5mm/2.8 AF lens in a 30mm thick casing?
@bcalkins: what lens did you use for the shot?
alatchin: Throw a 17mm f1.8 on this and away you go!!
yes, but please a pancake!
now where are all the pancakes?
the upcoming 15/1.7 is too large.
i would like to see 25mm/1.8 and maybe some 35mm/2.8
reginalddwight: I am surmising you received a defective production copy with the built-in image stabilization.
Did you contact Olympus for a replacement test sample?
this problem occured since the E-P1 some years ago, and they still haven't fixed it. why do you think they would fix it with a firmware suddenly?
cadet stimpy: Since 2010 I've taken a guestimated 50,000+ shots on various E-P1, E-PM2, EM-5 and EP-5 and never noticed shutter shock, though I only use primes and never pixel peep. I find the IBIS excellent for handheld slow exposures. I have gripes about the e-p5 but shutter shock isn't one of them...
the E-P1, E-PL1, E-PL2, E-PL3 all suffered from this. I noticed that already with the first shots i took. I stopped my interest in Olympus cameras since then.
Paul Amyes: I was really ready to buy this until I got to no external mic input. Why oh why cripple the camera like this? I like the form factor very much. It was this or the EP5 and both have been crippled badly as a multimedia device. I hope BlackMagic gets its act together and ships as promised and then I'll buy one of the pocket cinemas and an EPL5 for the stills.
buy an external audio recorder like zoom H1. who needs a mic input, if you cannot even choose the audio format, nor manually set level etc.
JEROME NOLAS: So much for stunning IQ....http://www.ephotozine.com/article/panasonic-lumix-dmc-xs1-review-22262
but the lens is quite sharp... in the center!
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