balico: This 6D will have a hard time beating it's direct competitor D600 on sensor quality as the D600 is just tested on DXO ahead in all aspects on the D800 (100% zoomed image) and has a 2.5 stop advantage in dynamic range over the 5DIII.
Although GPS and WiFi are nice added features on the 6D, it baffles me why Canon choose not to include a built-in-flash on their consumer FF camera..
@joe... it will not be a cr@p camera... it may not meet your needs, but I'm sure it will be a great camera in many regards. It will be interesting to see the low ISO performance... the biggest complaint around here seems to be the dynamic range advantage of the exmor sensors at low ISOs (which disappears at high ISO apparently)... it is possible that they have eeked out a bit more performance with a 20MP sensor, but you'd think if they made any substantial improvements they'd have been crowing about it.
Sad Joe: I plan to attend next months Open day at Calumet - the Canon staff will of course be there - anything you Canon fans would like me to tell them face to face about the c**p 6D and how we all wish our lenses would fit the Nikon D600 instead ?
not tell them so much as ask them...1) Why did they make an obvious attempt to minimize the size of this camera yet exclude a pop-up flash and cripple it as a general-purpose light-weight camera?2) Why did they go with an AF system with limited frame coverage and not just reuse the 7D AF system?Heck, either ONE of those might have been enough to sway me on the 6D, but too limiting as an only body for me without both. Which brings me to...3) Was this camera designed to be a landscape camera? and if so, why only 20MP?
LeeDo: WOW the negativity!! This camera was designed and meant to be used for landscape and portrait photography. Hence the FF sensor. I have the 7D for macro, sport and wildlife. I also own all L series glass, a big plus for use with this camera. I chose the 7D for its size which fits perfectly in my hands, and the 6D is just a smidgeon smaller and lighter. PERFECT! I plan on using the two bodies for their intended purposes. And THANK YOU CANON for giving us Wi-Fi and GPS!! This will force other manufacturers to do the same. Two sorely lacking functionalities on all other DSLR FF cameras. The simplistic button functionality is a godsend. I don't need a billion buttons performing this and that. The inclusion of a popup flash and AF assist lamp would be a waste on this camera. The sensor will more than make up for these omissions. The 6D is just what I have been waiting for to complete my kit. And you can bet Canon will sell millions of these things! The sales figures will be the tell all.
@LeeDo... not sure how I sounded like a jerk... certainly not intended that way, just struggling to see the value proposition. If it is as a second, landscape body for those with lots of Canon glass, it makes sense, certainly. That is a small market though. For those that only shoot landscape, the D600 has higher resolution and, unless Canon is hiding some sensor tech improvement, better dynamic range. No, fill flash is not necessary for landscape, but again, small market methinks. If they would have just put a pop-up flash and the 7D AF system, it would appear to a much broader market. Canon made a conscious and understandable decision to NOT do this and cannibalize the 5diii sales. One camera that does everything well (5Diii) for $3500, two (7D and 6D) that do things really well for $2500. One that does everything exceedingly well? May I introduce you to the 1Dx? From a product range standpoint the 6D makes sense, but from a marketing standpoint, it may be a tough sell.
I'm glad someone is enthusiastic, but I think you are in the small minority. 'Second body' and 'entry level' are not things that go hand-in-hand in my mind. This camera may make a good landscape/portrait camera, but unless they have yet to announce sensor technology improvements, it is nearly indistinguishable from the 5Dii... the ISO improvements will be largely in processing (digic 5+ vs 4) if there are no sensor tech improvements. I'm still trying to figure out how low-light AF performance and FF replaces fill-flash. Sure, no need for it if you are always toting around a second body, but why go compact/light weight if you need an external flash? Sales figures will tell the story... and I'd bet they are significantly outsold by the D600 unless they undercut the price by at least $200. Which would be fine with me, as I love when a bunch of nice Canon glass shows up in the used market (very happy with my 7D!).
Lee Dye: Too may get caught up with specs. I will admit that after years of Canon ownership from the awesome 20D to the Mighty Mark II, I jumped ship, sold all of glass, and went to the Nikon D800E. However, some of my best photos were with the 20D also. 80% photography, 20% camera.
I thoroughly enjoy the D800E and it is perfect for what I shoot, however the Mark II will always be at the top of the list also.
Sure, Nikon destroys the recent Canon releases on paper, however, out in the field, your skills, opportunity, etc all play into the final equation. Consumers get too caught up in specs. Sure the Galaxy III blows away even the new iPhone5, but the iPhone has other things going for it. Same for cars where folks send too much time reading 0-60 times, TVs, everything.
Everyone has a different purpose in life, enjoy what you have, and learn how to properly use it to your needs. Both the 6D, D600, and even a 20D will still take great photos at the end of the day.
I also had the 20D and loved it. Only reason I got rid of it was because it was too limiting with fast moving kids and with kids sports (not formula 1 or nba, mind you!). I traded up to the 7D solely for the AF and have been more than pleased... a bit of a learning curve with the complexity of the AF, but it has been fantastic. Instead of compensating for the weaknesses of the 20D AF (prefocus to a spot, wait for the action to arrive) and hoping the facial expressions are keepers, the 7D allows me to concentrate on composition in a dynamic environment, forgetting about the AF. While field performance will be the ultimate judge, I can't help but feel they decided this was a FF rebel... compactness ruled the design. when they decided that, broad AF coverage was out. they assumed non-L lenses, decided no flash and improved sensitivity of the center point. compromises, just not the ones I'd have chosen.
T3: There are a lot of people who are whining about only having 11 AF points, but I still only use the center AF point 95% of the time. As long as that AF point is reliable, I'm fine. I'd much rather have the built-in GPS than a bunch of AF points randomly selecting where to focus. And I'm sure I'll find a good use for the wifi too. It's a connected world we live in, and I think every camera should have GPS and wifi moving forward. I think the GPS and wifi are very strong selling points in today's market, and it's something that many people here are underestimating.
@T3... the problem is that while not being an action camera, it is neither a great landscape camera with only 20MP in today's market, nor a great all-purpose camera without a pop-up flash. I HATE artificial lighting, but find the pop-up indispensible for family candids when I need a bit of fill and catchlight in the eyes. Canon's problem is they seem to want this to be a step-up camera from APS-C, as it does not (at least spec-wise) compare well with the D600. But who is the target market? 7D owners give up too much... if you were buying it as a 2nd camera to the 7D, most would probably just go with the 5diii as a single camera. If they are thing d-reb and X0D owners will step up, that is a big price differential especially if you own ef-s glass. struggling to see the market they went after here.
very disappointing. As a 7D owner, I was hoping to be at least tempted by something between 7D capability and 5diii. Instead, it appears I would have to give up a great deal of capability for much of my shooting to move to FF at additional cost. This will tempt VERY few 7D owners, and at $2k, it will tempt very few non-Canon owners. Exactly who is the target market? 60D owners? seems like quite a large step up in price, especially if one has any EF-S lenses. Really struggling to understand Canon's thinking here.