Maciek_Leopolis: Zenit "famed for their skill in developing high quality optical equipment" - ???What a JOKE!Their lenses had "high quality" of the bottom of an empty vodka bottle...C'mon...
You clearly know nothing about Zenit and are working off of knee jerk disdain for all things Russian. They make some cheap cameras, but they have always been capable of making very high quality lenses where the need arises, going back to KMZ jupiters. Which were often far superior improvements upon the Zeiss glass they were based off of. Here however there is no such need and well, they will manage just fine.
Jimmy jang Boo: I was going to buy RX100 but I bought an Olympus XZ-1 instead. Not only was the XZ-1 $422 less than the RX100, but it also received the GOLD award while the Sony got Silver!
Why settle for silver at $650 when you can buy GOLD at $228?
if thats the criteria for buying a camera you value, you are better off with an XZ-1. The RX100 would be wasted on you.
onlooker: It is one of the biggest marketing coups d'état to have managed to convince the public to refer to the S2 as "medium format". It is not. It's barely larger than a 135 frame (FF). Yes, I used medium format when I was young, Herr Shulz. Let's look at the linear measurements, shall we:
√ MF: 60.00 mm√ FF: 29.39 mm√ S2: 36.74 mm
Don't push your luck with that condescending attitude, or people will actually start looking at those numbers.
Technically you are right, but also technically Digital vastly out resolves and out performs film (don't bother trying to shove unsubstantiated wax nostalgics about how much 'better' film is). Given how the S2 performs it definitely belongs in the pro bracket once inhabited by medium format film.
Chinaexpat: My point about lenses is just that Leica doesn't have any "secret sauce" a $5,000 lens will be better than a $1,000 lens.
I didn't say the D800 is as good. I clearly said the S2/S3 sensor is more suited to high IQ low ISO shooting. I'm just saying the modest bump in sensor size is less important than the sensor type and top glass.
As for posing, you'd never be able to see the difference between a D800 and a S3 off a shot on the cover of Vogue. The truth is that very little commercial work actually requires the same IQ as a large fine art print. Some work yes, but not most.
I should have said:
"The S3 has a main user group: Professionals who only sometimes need the extra IQ over a D800 but usually need to make clients feel they are getting their money's worth.
What it often comes down to is that "in the pro world this camera is respected".
Not knocking the Leica, just an observation of what goes on as pelican cases are opened up in the presence of art directors.
amen, and not to dog on Hesselblad(in light of the Lunar debacle), but they too are also far far more well known among the vapid model set than Leica.
Most of the reason for Leica's ridiculous rise in price as of late is down to east asian collectors, the kind of collectors with the exact same (my collection can only appreciate 100x) attitude you see on crazy doll collecting old ladies.
danaceb: The true mark of a despicable marketeer, Mr Alessandrini is completely oblivious to the problem. A partnership with Sony is not the problem, its the fact that they are making tacky tarted up APS-C E mount cameras. I doubt the moans would be nearly as loud has they gone in with Sony to make a full frame, or heaven forbid the Medium format they are known for.
Also Alessandrini is just like those trashy businessmen also with Italian heritage who slap a bunch of hideous body kit on cheapos like ford mustangs and tried to market them to the Ferrari/Lamborghini set.
The true mark of a despicable marketeer, Mr Alessandrini is completely oblivious to the problem. A partnership with Sony is not the problem, its the fact that they are making tacky tarted up APS-C E mount cameras. I doubt the moans would be nearly as loud has they gone in with Sony to make a full frame, or heaven forbid the Medium format they are known for.
What a stupid piece of crap, heads up to Hasselblad; the ONLY people interested in buying something with you name on it EXPECT a medium format sensor inside. No less!
semorg: Leica makes news with 4-year old features.
must be doing something right then.
shaocaholica: Put a current 920k dot LCD and a 12mp low light FF sensor on it and price it at $3k. Charge an extra $500 for a monochrome version. Then we can talk.
get fast glass, even the old 18mp sensor can do amazing night shots with a fast lens.
GabrielZ: I must say, lately Sony are really pulling out all the stops with their new product introductions and are taking the technological lead from rivals Canikon! In fact I've noticed in other areas of consumer electronics Sony are getting their act together in a big way of late, maybe it's because of that new CEO of theirs and competition from Apple.
Globally Sony has found itself being pounded into the dirt by the Korean mega corps for over a decade. It's only been in the USA due to stronger brand respect it has there, this new found resurgence is indeed welcome if a good 8 years late imho.
Camera enthusiast are blind to the death brand loyal next to your average TV consumer, Sony has a far bigger fight with Canikon and their efforts show. My only peeve with them is lacking lenses on E-mount and menus with the nasty Android smartphone like habit of lag and momentary freezing.
leventhan: "When Canon announced the Powershot S90 just over three years ago, it almost single-handedly defined a new class of camera - a genuinely-pocketable compact for serious photographers, with RAW format recording, lots of manual control, a larger-than-average 1/1.7" sensor and a fast lens (at least at wideangle)"
Have you ever heard of Sigma DP? Ricoh GRD?
Sigma and Ricoh insistence on their price premium for innovation will always relegate them as niche unknowns.
The RX100 has indeed caught Canon and the others off guard, but there fortress like brand name and lower price will ensure this one is still a good seller.
Gully Foyle: The older the design, the newer it looks to modern generations.
I bet 50 years from now the revival of the G12 looks will look to people's eyes refreshing.
--EDITI hope I'll be around by then!
haha keep dreaming, the G series and many early digitals are timelessly fugly. Kinda like some crudely made instant cameras from 30 years ago.
danaceb: I am sick an tired of these tablet phones that you need the thumb reach of a yeti to work with one hand, since Job's departure its clear that Apple has no qualms about copycatting back rather than innovating.
Oh an also good to know this thing has the floppy screen integrity of an eggshell, just like the Galaxy S III, way to go once again Apple. Not like the thing was tough before, but it would still work with a small crack unlike the Galaxy S phones which were done for on slight impact.
the length was the primary problem in the phones it is now ripping off, thanks for outlining that.
I am sick an tired of these tablet phones that you need the thumb reach of a yeti to work with one hand, since Job's departure its clear that Apple has no qualms about copycatting back rather than innovating.
sye46: So Leica releases a $8,000 black and white camera and it gets praises while Sony releases a FF compact with Zeiss lens and people complain. LOL
Though I will counter my own comment by reminding that when it comes to supporting e-mount, they dropped the ball badly. The lenses have come far too slowly and mediocre, when even a company who is hemorrhaging money such as Fuji pumps them out for new standards.
Amen, don't get me wrong; Sony needs a lot of work in the menu department, namely to try and emulate the simple no lag functionality that the M9 (and old palmOS) provide. But pretentious fans of -insert overrated brand here- love to hate on Sony even though at the very least they deliver where no one else does.
dmanthree: Looks like this system has it all except for IQ. Clearly this isn't for me.
more like pretentious pentax shills who think highly of themselves.
edit; honestly I get you like this camera, it has merits. Just stop getting so butt hurt that its not for everyone. 99% of CSC buyers are looking for clearer IQ than they get with a premium compact, the 1/2.3" does not deliver that.
danaceb: It was a misjudgment back when the original Q came out as the price plunge showed, now its just laughable with the RX100. Whats the point of swapping lenses is the IQ is substandard nomatter what? Back in the 110 film days manufacturers understood this, and 110 stood up vastly better to 35mm than 1/2.3 bsi does to anything larger than 2/3"
@ I'd get it at a reasonable price, it makes no sense and I don't care about your biased rambling about how I should pay $500+ for $250~ image quality. This thing is just a glorified key dongle for suckers like you who buy buy gadgets for their gimmick value, not their picture taking ability.
mgm2: This is a great system. The availability of the adapter puts it head and shoulders above the RX100.
You know absolutely nothing about cameras do you? First off the Image quality is absolutely garbage next to the RX100 regardless of lens quality, and seconly at K mount lenses would be ultra tele's useless to almost all who could even be bothered with this thing.