qianp2k: I like Canon S-series colors and IQ in general from perspective of 1/1.7" sensor size. However personally I will not buy another S-series compact. My S95 suffers that notorious lens error second time (the lens gets jammed and unable to extend). This time Canon refused to give another free fix and it doesn't make sense that I would spend $170 for a fix. This lens issue that I believe on flaw designed lens assembly is pretty common in S-series cameras. The issues in both cases developed by its own not because of any abuses or drops or squeezed. I just bought on unbelievable $399 deal of EOS-M with 18-55, 22 pancake and 90EX flash last night. That's my new replacement of S-series camera. Bigger and heavier but at least will not have this stupid lens issue, and can use my EF lenses thru an adapter.
Where did you get the $399 deal? I got one with the 22mm only for $355 but want to get another spare.
camerosity: I hope dpreview will do a full review of this camera...
You mean like they did the last one? Maybe in a years time...
What a great pity - was waiting for this cross-up-grade from my G12 but... same sensor, same (slow) processor...what a missed opportunity for Nikon who could have leap-frogged the G16. Will stay in the Canon camp for now waiting for the G17 with a hopeful return to the fold-out screen.
Neodp: ...been waiting for this camera. The pictures default pallet, is too poor. High ISO is muddy. Tell me why again; isn't a pocket camera better for pocket, than this?
No! Ultra zooms need to use m43. Compact systems need APS, or even full frame. Ultra telephoto is not the only thing. None of this need cost, over $400. Really. ...and I realize the current prices are much higher. Why? If it's only because we will pay them, then we shouldn't.
Make the low end, small, budget priced cameras right first; then we'll talk.
Lens speed (total IQ)AF speedSensor/processor sensitivity clean (DR, Color, Tonality), past ISO 1600.In body EVF, and BRIGHT flash, that can be bounced.Side swinging articulated screenIn body stabilization.Real one touch buttons/wheels for ISO, compensation, Shutter, AF-typeNo jello video etc... there's a bunch more.
Stop making unbalanced cameras, without all the known benefits, that have already been done. Make a list, already!
What on earth are you trying to say?
WayneDB: OK so from a technical perspective this is not exactly cutting edge, however I look at this the same way I do my girfriends watch. Side by side her $ 6,000 Cartier and my $ 50 SwatchWatch do almost the same thing - they tell the time. My $ 50 cheapie is objectively a little better, as the black hands-on-white-face are easier to read then her fashionably white on white dial. They both need their battery replacing in a year or two. They are both pretty accurate. There is one difference mind you. Mine says "Swatch" on the dial while her's says "Cartier". And yes hers is no doubt made better. But not $5,950 better.But my point here is this: How many of you naysayers wear a Rolex or an Omega or some other insanely expensive thing on your wrist that technically just tells the time?...and ask yourself a simple question - why DO you wear that expensive status symbol....?
The point I was trying to make (in any language even German) is that watches were originally made to tell the time but some manufacturers have turned them into very expensive devices that...well that tell the time. Rational people buy those expensive watches. Hell I know a pro photographer that uses a Rolex to tell the time. A camera is another type of device that was made to take a picture. I was just speculating as to how many whiners on this thread wear expensive watches that just...tell the time...yet they whine about this camera that is an overpriced device for taking pictures.
OK so from a technical perspective this is not exactly cutting edge, however I look at this the same way I do my girfriends watch. Side by side her $ 6,000 Cartier and my $ 50 SwatchWatch do almost the same thing - they tell the time. My $ 50 cheapie is objectively a little better, as the black hands-on-white-face are easier to read then her fashionably white on white dial. They both need their battery replacing in a year or two. They are both pretty accurate. There is one difference mind you. Mine says "Swatch" on the dial while her's says "Cartier". And yes hers is no doubt made better. But not $5,950 better.But my point here is this: How many of you naysayers wear a Rolex or an Omega or some other insanely expensive thing on your wrist that technically just tells the time?...and ask yourself a simple question - why DO you wear that expensive status symbol....?
HubertChen: More sales for Fuji-X: Nicer styling, better lenses, lower price.
I am very surprised by this move of Leica. In the Medium Format market segment they are growing, as they are price and performance leaders. But in the APSC market segment this crown clearly goes to Fuji. Maybe they are milking this market segment for all it is worth and then leave it, using the gained cash to boost their medium format presence ?
"But in the APSC market segment this crown clearly goes to Fuji" - now there's an unbiased objective opinion!
Paul B Jones: That's an interesting little three minute video. Not sure why it is producing so much angst in DPReview land.
Oh wait, this is DPReview land. Silly me.
It is amazing how people post without thinking about what they say. All those comments down there about how it's impossible that the parcel ALWAYS faced out or had an unobstructed view...does it say anywhere he didn't edit it for content? From his original blog posting: "Actually this whole video was shot in one trip. I wanted to have all the footage from one trip only. And indeed i was lucky with the camera facing outwards. In the other video (vimeo.com/63107369), you can see a compilation of different shots made during several trips."He tried this numerous times including International versions before settling on that one.look at his site before posting inane garbage:
It seems they believe they have reviewed it....go look for the camera here:http://www.dpreview.com/products/Nikon/camerasit has the familiar cyan "Read review" link which takes you directly to the "Roundup: Enthusiast Zoom Compact Cameras" article... so between that single-page "review" and this "preview" that's all we are going to get.
It's interesting that they have a link from that roundup-review to this preview but no link here to the actual "review" and no update here to reflect the impressions there.
Reading through the majority of comments i can just see this scenario:DPreview to Ansel Adams: hey Mr A, please try out this new model from Canon...Ansel to DPreview... Oh my God! It still only has 18 megapixels! What a piece of junk! And hey it costs a whole whopping 20 bucks more then the 650D! Jeesh canon are ripping us off..I couldn't take a picture with this thing!!! The last model was amazing but this thing only added like real time view of creative filters...toss the junk! Shoot the bastards!
JosHendrikx: Unbelievable.... As a 650D owner I am relieved that my camera has not been surpassed by the 'latest and greatest' flagship model, but I cannot understand why Canon would launch such a non-upgrade. For a camera company that was so innovative in bringing us affordable digital SLRs, this is really a disgrace. My heart goes out to the poor employees of their marketing department who were forced to promote the 'wonderful' creative filters and non-stopping mode dial as the only unique selling point this body has. What a flop! I hope this is not an indicator of poor upgrades of the 60D and 7D and that Canon will learn their lesson and put more effort into a 70D/7DII/800D.
I am really struggling here...unless the manufacturer doubles their whizz-bang factor on a new release it's crap??? take the canon G11 vs the G12... according to your standards the G12 is a rubbish upgrade as effectively all they added is that little finger wheel on the front? As an owner of both trust me, that little wheel turns the G11 into a spectacular improvement in every day use. It is a granular improvement on an exceptional product. Oh hang on...they didn't double the megapixels! oh no my new G12 will take crap pictures!!!
Peter62: Disappointing - at least!
What is wrong with Canon ?
Still the same sensor as in my good old EOS 550D (T2i)?!? So with the 700D you'll get the same image quality as in February 2010... Wow, Canon - respect!
CANON now has clearly fallen behind NIKON. It's a shame...
So what is wrong with the IQ of feb 2010... are you just buying a camera because it is the best blah blah and is better then a Nikon...for goodness sake go take a great pic with an old twin-lens reflex...get a photographic life...jeesh it only has 18MP what a crisis!
PaulRacecar: I was planning to buy the T4i/650D, now I've changed my mind and I'm getting this one instead. Why not get the latest model right?
Zigadiboom what a pile of absolute junk your comment is. What on earth do you expect from this line of camera? Go back and think about what you want from a camera...this is their budget retail line and it does that job very well...
mpgxsvcd: A Poker Analogy:
Canon just gave up and Folded their cards even after they had already gone "All in". They bluffed when everyone else was holding Straight Flushes.
The other companies are not going to just stop because Canon says that they are holding the best hand ever.
The number one rule in Poker is that you should always know what cards the other people are holding. Canon seems oblivious to what other options are out there. They bet only based on what cards they are holding in their hands.
I don't even think they look at what cards are on the board much less try to figure out what cards other people are holding.
ummm since when did Canon start building cameras for you mpgxsvcd? They are not stupid people..they manufacture cameras that a whole lot of people buy...welcome to business. This is not passion - it's just profit driven commercial reality. Google the sales figures..
Any chance we can get the P7700 review finished before this one is reviewed? Its only been 6+ months now...
So we get the review of this junk kit super fast...and we are all still waiting for the Coolpix p7700 review that you "previewed" 6 months ago...whats up? Is dpreview turning into a phone-cam review site sprinkled with the odd high end Digital SLR review that leaves the rest of us middle ground gasping for quality comment?
no offence intended but its been over 5 months since this preview was published...are we going to get a "Review"?
VENTURE-STAR: I've owned three Canon G series cameras. All were fitted with useless viewfinders which I hardly ever used. Nevertheless, they were reliable, well built cameras with good optical performance, producing very consistent results. I also had an Panasonic LX5 (with no viewfinder), which was okay but lacked satisfactory optical performance. In fact, the last digital camera I owned with an accurate viewfinder was an Olympus 5050. But I've found small VFs to be mostly a waste of time and I prefer the bigger view of an LCD screen. The 7700 is exactly my idea of a good compact (almost) camera. I'd prefer it with a manually operated, non-retracting zoom as this reduces the liklihood of component failure. Unfortunately, this camera's CCD will never provide SLR quality. Apart from that it looks good. My concerns are build quality, reliabilty and lens performance, especially at wider apertures towards the edges. If the test reports are favourable, I might buy one as my next SLR backup.
RobG67: What saddens me the most is the way that so many British posters are using that execrable Americanism 'store', when the word they really want is 'shop'. Shops are were goods are bought, stores are were goods are kept ie 'stored'.
Umm since you on about correct English, the word you really want is "where" not were. "Shops are wHere goods are bought, stores are wHere goods are kept"...
dunkreid: I commiserate with the staff. I've had excellent, knowledgable service from Jessops branches in Glasgow. And I remember when their prices used to be competitive - £399 for an Oly ZD 11-22mm back in the day, for example.
However, in my humble opinion, Jessops over extended themselves in the early 2000's and the iimpact of these acquisitions was that Jessops have had to pay the prohibitive business and property rates involved in having a prolific High Street presence (and the UK High Street is on it's knees, irrespective of sector), while the online competition with much less in the way of overheads has been able to undercut Jessops left, right and centre.
Never mind the impact of phone camera's, they've been up against it for ages in the traditional camera market because their business model's out of whack with the way things now work and was simply not sustainable; too much bricks and mortar on the High Street costing an arm and a leg in business and property rates.
interesting... here in Dubai (U.A.E) such a model almost exists. There is only one Canon importer for example. They have three or four stores pretty much dedicated to Canon products. Prices are fixed and at a level generally higher then your "virgin" type carry-all store. They supply independents and other stores who are free to sell the goods at pretty much any price they want. However product knowledge is clearly lacking in such retailers. So yes you can go into the "Canon" store and talk to Canon people and play with the cameras to your hearts content...and then go next door and buy it at a discount retailer. The Canon store still smiles as they sold another camera...via their distribution supply-chain. Same goes for Olympus, Nikon/Fuji (company has both brands), Panasonic, Sony etc...you will find them in most malls. And you will find their products cheaper elsewhere.