LOL--the camera as we know it is becoming irrelevant. More people take pictures now than ever before and they don't need what we think of as cameras to do it.
Mirrorless and DSLR are converging to become a niche market.
$399 by Xmas.
They will not be able to move it at that price.
Craig from Nevada: This camera is going negatively impact all the camera makers and formats. The price is a barrier right now, but that will come down.
The term "game changer" is overused, but it might be applicable in this case.
More people are taking pictures than ever before. The problem is that they are not using what we think of us as a camera to do so. Sales are down. It is a tough market. This camera makes it tougher.
Matt: Ok a great camera with some excellent improvements. Two things are troublesome however. First, the lens selection is quite limited. They've put the cart before the horse again and some available are not top of the line. EX) the Zeiss 24-70 f/4. This USD$1k lens underperforms. Second Sony has continued with its disdain for existing customers. Here again their solution is to provide another model vs fixing existing. Case in point the lack of an electronic 1st curtain in ver 1 which could be resolved with a firmware update. I was truly hoping to make a platform switch as I do enjoy shooting with ver 1 but after seeing for myself Sony not holding themselves accountable for existing products + lack of top glass I will not spend anymore money on their products.
I think you have your cart and horse reversed.
Mark Alan Thomas: Battery Life (CIPA): 290
The Achilles Heal of mirrorless
DVT80111: >$3000 by Christmas for sure. Black Friday, $2500 possible?
The natural price point for this camera is $2,999.99. The introductory price is to grab the early adapters and then it will settle in at $2999.99 in time for Black Friday.
FodgeandDurn: A few people are wondering what this means the A7s will have in store. I'm wondering if this makes the A7s' niche slightly obsolete (albeit at a higher price point).
Marco--they are appealing to everyone who doesn't have an A-7 and everyone who has one and dreams of the upgrade.
EcoR1: My mind is BLOWN. Just wanted you to know.
There will be the reviews coming to keep everyone excited.
No. I think it enhances the A7's position all the way around. Full frame for all and the latest bells and whistles for those with deep pockets.
your wallet will be substantially lighter to compensate you for all the troubles your mind might experience.
This camera is going negatively impact all the camera makers and formats. The price is a barrier right now, but that will come down.
"The Sony α7R II full-frame interchangeable lens camera will be available in August for about $3200 at www.store.sony.com and a variety of Sony authorized dealers nationwide."
I was ready to make some smartass remark about $1,600 by Christmas, but this one might make me want to buy at a premium price.
SeeRoy: As the owner of an EM5 (I guess we have to retrospectively assign it a "MK1" label) this sort of nonsensical product says a great deal about Olympus, and indeed the entire camera business. If the MK2 itself is anything like the MK1 then addressing the cosmetics with a "limited edition" - for people stupid enough to care how the top plate looks - whilst failing to address the fact that the camera has only two good attributes embedded in a host of failings, is to treat the consumers as fools: probably correctly.1) The files are excellent, other things being equal. 2) The camera is small and light.However the general handling, firmware and ergonomics are pitifully bad. There's also the fact that in an industry where the replacement cycle is engineered to a frequency of about 18 months, the idea of "collectability" (as in film era hardware) is just a joke.
I am serious… and don’t call me Shirley
Craig from Nevada: The MSRP probably can't be sustained in this market. Discounts will follow.
I think the fisheye will find its way to $899 regular price.The 7-14mm will drop as well.The EM-5II will settle in at $999.
The MSRP probably can't be sustained in this market. Discounts will follow.
It is now May 2015, one year after the review. $750 for the body and $980 for the body with the 18-135mm lens. These are great times to be buying a camera.
EvilTed: Amateur Photographer from the UK, has a completely different review, claiming the noise handling is great and that the DR is better than the D750 or D810.
I smell a rat DP :(
79%, 82%, 76% 81% 81%-the results of the most recent 5 reviews (as shown on the margin of this page). The aggregate results for at least 4 out of the 5 cameras is the same.
Either the metrics and methods are inadequate or the practical reality is that the differences among the 5 cameras are wafer thin. The five noted above are all good cameras for their respective classes (overall). Inadequate means to create a meaning method for a customer to identify and evaluate the tradeoffs of each camera.
Then comes the question of the silver, gold or no award. Again, most cameras get something--and that determination is made by the reviewers.
Reading some of the comments here, some readers seem genuinely offended by the ratings and or some of the language in the review. What I see is DPReview attempting to use methods to differentiate between cameras that on aggregate perform very well.
This is just an observation from a general reader as he drinks his morning coffee.
Everlast66: What about giving the camera some credit for what it does, as opposed what doesn't?
For example, it is compared to heavier, chunkier and more expensive DSLRs and punished for not matching their IQ and battery life.It is compared to smaller sensor and lower IQ mirror-less cameras and punished for not being as compact.
It appears DPR are willing to give it only the negatives of both worlds!
Your personal preferences and the review are not the same things. The battery performance is not good for this camera. It should be dinged.
How you weight the battery performance is entirely up to you.
Sony reports 270 shots (viewfinder) and 350 shots (LCD screen). Suppose I want to take 271 shots with the viewfinder? That is hardly an unreasonable number.
Now take it on a outing where the temp is 1 C. The camera is rated to 0 C. I doubt if you get one half the number. Now take it on a camping trip.
The power of this and the OMD are inadequate for many situations where the weather and conditions are not ideal, but within the operating specs. The performance of the batteries should be criticized (ripped) when compared to a DSLR. It is the only way the manufacturers will improve their game.
It deserves to be criticized for its battery life (as should the Olympus E-M5 II. Extra batteries are bulk.