The location of the exposure comp dial is annoying.
Jogger: Unless they come out with a full set of "pre-digital lenses" .. it means that you will be using modern lenses or adapting old ones.. in the latter case, why not just get the Sony A7 for $1700 and get some nice Canon FD, Zeiss, or Leica lenses if you want to go retro.
The EVF in the A7 isn't very retro.
The Photo Ninja: I sold my sigma 35 mm and got canons. If sigma is going to issue firmware updates, that's cool. Still, they need to give the usb dock away for free!
Considering the price savings on the Sigmas, the $60 dock is kind of trivial. Even with the dock you're looking at $1500 vs $960 for a 35/1.4. You may have a preference for Canon for other reasons, but complaining about a $60 dock is kind of silly at this price point.
tinzi1: Sigma is the ONLY company which generous enough to offer its user a device to adjust ALL of its future lens' WITHOUT have the user paying for shipping, probable damage during transporting, lens update, and time waiting. If you got 2 lemons from Nikon and 3 lemons from Canon, U got 5 lens' to ship out; if you got 5 lemons from Sigma, it's this one usb dock...just think a bit ahead man, it doesn't requires Algebra to figure this out.
The two that I know:
Post 2012 Canon cameras (1DX, 5Diii, 650D+) can update the lens firmware. This was applicable to the Canon EF40mm f/2.8 STM firmware update of last year.
Fuji XF lenses can be updated via the camera as well.
dylanbarnhart: Panasonic made the body and Leica made the lens. It's no shame to label the whole camera as Leica or Panasonic. I don't know about the LF1 lens, but the Leica lens on my LX7 is crazy sharp even at f1.4.
As for the price bump, it's because Leica doesn't have the kind of sale distribution Panasonic has and the kind of volume Panasonic has. So Leica needs a higher profit margin to make a buck.
As for people who buy them, they're not all stupid. The Leica case just looks better when pulled out of a Gucci bag.
Panasonic made the body and lens. Leica approved the lens and allowed its name to be applied.
yabokkie: it says "fast and wide" in the title.
I'd say moderately fast and moderately wide for a 35/2.1 equiv. that's the work it can do, no more, no less.
"shutter speeds has to be the same or it won't be a fair comparison"
I'm not talking about comparisons, I'm talking about REAL WORLD usage of the lens to produce REAL PHOTOS. The purpose of a 23/1.4 lens is to produce photos, not produce comparisons to 35/2.1 lenses.
In the REAL world a 23/1.4 crop can do things a 35/2.1 ff cannot. They are NOT the same. If I am sitting in front of a stage taking photos of a performer in low light, a 23/1.4 crop and 35/2.1 FF will produce different results. The difference is because the constraints of the situation demand that they be at different shutter speeds or ISO settings. They will be at different shutter/ISO settings because one is a F1.4 lens and the other is a F2.1 lens. That means they are NOT the same.
The fact you *can* (if you want to, and under certain conditions) produce similar photos with 35/2.1 does not mean they are equivalent.
But the shutter speed and ISO setting will NOT be the same.
If I am exposing at low light at max aperture, then I am using the slowest shutter speed that won't introduce blur, then adjusting the ISO setting to get the proper exposure. If I use a F/2.1 lens then I have reduce the shutter speed (and introduce blur) or increase the ISO (and introduce more noise). When you're shooting ISO 3200+ the affect is huge as noise tends to increase exponentially with ISO.
What can't the 35/2.1 FF do? Take the same shot in low light as the F1.4 lens, without slowing the shutter speed or raising the ISO.
For a more dramatic effect, I would have placed the bird in the long hallway with the somber pilot looking down at it...
guyfawkes: Can someone explain what a "real world" image is, please? Are there surreal world images or unworldly images it can also take?
The real-world, as opposed to their studio scene shots.
real-worldnounthe realm of practical or actual experience, as opposed to the abstract, theoretical, or idealized sphere of the classroom or laboratory.
balios: How many people did those photos and the ad campaign help? How many people did this article on DPreview help? None directly. But it raised awareness of the issues, just like "liking" a Facebook page does. Not everyone has the time, money, or desire to help every good cause in the world. But by helping to spread the word then maybe somebody who does will get the message.
My only point is that a Facebook "like" is no different than this very ad. Neither help people directly and they are both awareness campaigns. Any criticisms of Facebook "likes" need to be directed at this ad as well.
How many people did those photos and the ad campaign help? How many people did this article on DPreview help? None directly. But it raised awareness of the issues, just like "liking" a Facebook page does. Not everyone has the time, money, or desire to help every good cause in the world. But by helping to spread the word then maybe somebody who does will get the message.
bimmerman: The 20D was my last Canon. I ditched Canon for Nikon and never looked back throughout the 30D to 50D and was not even aware there was a 60D. I just lost interest in Canon. Now the 70D seems to be another ho-hum Canon. Better AF in live view for sure but if I wanted great AF in live view I'd use my Olympus OMD. Other than that the D7100 is hard to beat. Too little too late Canon. Good luck with the 80D.
"You obviously never used RAW else you would appreciate how much of a lifesaver DR can be especially with the pros"
He never said anything about DR not being important. In the *real world* Canon is used widely by pros and the difference in IQ is negligible. The only place where Nikon (Sony) sensors "beat the pants off" Canon sensors in the magical land of gear headery where the purpose of a camera is to do 10-stop shadow recovery comparisons.
m3rdpwr: "Built-in flash works as off-camera remote flash controller"
Been off the grid for a while.Does this off-camera remote work on the 580EX/EXii flash, or only the newer 600 series?
It will also control the 600RT, but via IR signal (instead of radio).
Lea5: What's all the whining about? This camera is not for the average Joe. It is targeting consumers who buy a pair of Manolo Blahnik shoes for $2000 and drive them home with an Aston Martin Zagato. For those people the price of the Leica is a bargain. The world is heading to a way of serving the upper 10% only, even Adobe is walking this way. It's becoming a big club and you ain't in it!(me too btw)
I think the guy driving the Aston Martin would buy an actual Leica M...
Why? Because he is obviously the type of person who values how others perceive him based on what he owns. He understands that if he had bought a Ford Pinto with Aston Martin decals on it, it wouldn't have impressed anybody.
And he probably doesn't shop at G-Star RAW, which is probably where this camera will be sold, because its not exactly an exclusive store for the wealthy.
Tonio Loewald: This camera makes perfect sense to someone who would pay $1000 for a pair of jeans that's no better than a $50 pair of jeans but is fashionable. The problem isn't with the product, but that it rates as news on dpreview.
I don't blame DPreview. They published it so we could all have a good laugh.
h2k: Funny the rage expressed here. Why not "not even ignore it", if the news is so ephemere? Envious?
Besides, I'd still suggest to mention essential specs right in the front-page news text, like sensor size and lens data.
I don't see a lot of rage, I see a lot of people laughing.
balios: The well regarded Canon 17-55mm IS is about $1k. This lens is $800 and gains a stop of light, but loses the IS and the 35-55 range.
Both will have their strengths depending on what you're shooting.
I'm not insisting this lens needs IS, I am saying the Canon and Sigma lenses both have their strengths. The Canon's strength is its IS.
You don't always want a narrow depth of focus and therefore you sometimes have to shoot at narrow apertures. If you are shooting at F8, then the fact its a fast lens is utterly meaningless.
If you are traveling and taking handheld shots of a cathedral interior, shooting at F1.8 is silly. In this case, 3 stops of IS means the difference between shooting at ISO 800 vs ISO 6400 (for example), which is a *massive* difference in IQ.
And why must your object always move for macro? There are more than just bugs to take photos of... The IS on my 100L macro lens has enabled me to get shots at stupidly slow shutter speeds.
The well regarded Canon 17-55mm IS is about $1k. This lens is $800 and gains a stop of light, but loses the IS and the 35-55 range.
klopus: "X Vario - the world's first compact camera with an APS-C sensor and fixed zoom lens"
And EOS-M is what?
EOS-M has a removable lens, so its not a "fixed zoom lens". Also, the EOS-M (and Nex, etc) are typically called compact *system* cameras.