Funny how the same crowd calling the DSLR mirror box a caveman design are now the target for (arguable great) MF lenses. While I always loved Zeiss, I sold off mine long time ago and financed my entry into the FF DSLR market. Never looked back to manual focus, as much as I loved my Zeiss lenses ...
Amazing how people always complain. First everybody complained about the insane prices canon charges for their lenses. Little dispute on how good the pro class lenses are, just too expensive. Now Canon drops the prices to the usual "after rebate" level. What's now? Everybody yelling and complaining about Canon going down, and how used lenses are depreciating... Guys, just be happy. Somebody lowered it's prices!
RunStrom: These high noise tests are pretty sad, if you are any good as a photographer you will use a tripod. If you want to test a real life situation - give one person a cheap Canon or Nikon APS-C with a reasonable 50mm lens - AND a TRIPOD. Give the other person the Sony A7S (handheld) and a 50mm Sony Lens - then do your midnight shoot. There is no action motion here - so shoot at any speed and setting - the end result is what counts. Each photographer then processes the raw files, and posts them with 100% crops. I'd bet the tripod mounted cameras would produce a better final product. If you really want to set the cat amongst the pigeons - introduce another photographer with a micro 3/4 or Sigma Foveon sensor camera (on a tripod) with a similar lens and really see what a differnce a Tripod makes.
@Shiranai. Not getting your logic at all how two ifs invalidate the idea to compare high ISO. But maybe you just replied to the wrong post :-)
@Runstorm: I think you missed the point. They wanted to compare high ISO, so they looked for a scenario that would be comparable. (which failed though ...)
It's like complaining about a car magazine testing breaking performance, that there was no point for a good driver to do a full break in this situation... right, you would get into public traffic and wait for an incident ...
What I dislike about this test: If one truly aimed to _compare_ high ISO, why not in a studio? There is significant change in lighting between the Sony and the Canon images. Don't know what impact that may have had, but it's an issue for a fair comparison.
Overall the Sony looks quite a bit more clean...
Interesting! Why is the EOS-M missing? Are only products listed that can be bought from Amazon?The question actually should be which camera you want or bought, not which is the "best"...
Vitruvius: Interesting that a German photographer from Reuters Germany is even allowed to talk to judges at a professional event and provide forensic evidence to a judge to support a German athlete.
Should each country be looking to secure positions in the media to ensure they get real time photographic evidence to the judges on the field for their country?
It looks like the athlete deserved his medal. That's what counts. Not the right place for nationalism.<disclaimer>I'm not German<disclaimer/>
Let me guess:Either a rebadged m4/3 or nex, or the famous new apple iLeica :-)But who cares...
Awesome! I know exactly where this is :-)
Give me a digital Contax G2! This was all I needed in the analogue space when on the road.Why wouldn't it be possible to make a digital version, with a nice FF sensor?
Looks like the Mark II just jumped in resale value. Happy with my Mark II, very mint for ~1000 €
arpikusz: Why can't Pentax sell this lens for $150? Both Nikon and Canon has 50mm 1.8 lenses for around $100-$150...
To GregGory:Can you provide evidence on your "junk wide open" comment? While my personal assessment may be subjective, I found no such evidence in the linked test: http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/160-canon-ef-50mm-f18-ii-test-report--review?start=1
schaki: 50mm on Aps-c equals 75mm. A focal length which I not found much use for when I had the Nikkor AF 50mm 1.8D and used it with the D1H.Wonder if this Pentax 50mm 1.8 might cover a future Pentax with FF. Probably not, so the question is how bad the corner falloff and vignetting is going to be like.
I did some wonderful "close up full face" portraits on my Canon APS-C with the extremely affordable 50mm f1.8.On Canon it's a 80mm, which makes it a very nice portrait lens. Now I need to find a ~31mm lens that can compete :-)
PaulSnowcat: So they've decided to aim above NEX7 and make "the only one" camera, not an addition to a DSLR and price it accordingly, i.e. very high... Risky.
NEX7 offers great IQ, alot more lenses, and lower price. So new FUJI's sensor must be something fantastic to make someone to prefer this camera.
I agree that the NEX 7 is extremely tempting with regards to size and IQ. However the price point of the NEX 7 is close to a EOS 7d (insane!), and the choice of compact high quality "native" lenses a disaster. I'm not planning to spend this amount of money to have my "old" Contax G lenses without AF as the only viable lens option...
I guess we may agree that if the FUJI sensor is on par with the NEX, we have a new option to consider, right?Risky, I agree, but they are addressing the weak spot of Sony: Lenses