Geodesiq: It's a bloated, overpriced, underfeatured trophy camera for insecure photographers more interested in their image than the image. You can almost justify the camera price but $5k for a 24-90 zoom??? Does anyone in their right mind think they'll see any difference between this and a typical high end zoom from the competition for 1/3 - 1/4 the price??? The Sony a7rII beats this in every way.
@HowaboutRAWYou're pretty far from an expert either :)
@HowaboutRAWActually the earlier ones from Vietnam were all Leica...Back to your armchair, expert...
We'll just have to agree to disagree then.At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what gear you use, it matters what images you make.
You can see my work here:
Oh please.The 75mm Summicron APO is a much better lens and I prefer the 90 APO to it.
Film era lenses, I still own: 35mm F2 Cron "8-elements", 50mm F2 Cron "Rigid", Summilux 50mm F1.4 "Type 2" and a new old stock Summicron 90mm F2 Type 2.
Film era lenses have a nice retro look because they cannot resolve the digital sensors correctly. They were designed in an analog world and as a result, have none of the corrections required baked in.
Modern Leica lenses are a totally different thing IMHO...
You are beginning to sound like my wife :)
@HowaboutRAW The Summicron 90 APO is one of THE best Leica lenses, along with the 50 APO and the 21 SEM, all of which I owned + 35 Lux FLE, 50 Lux ASPH etc. I've owned and shot with most of them...
The silent shutter loses some DR and can be an issue under electrical lights, but it is still so much better than not having it.I owned an A7 II and it was the worst street camera ever.The shutter sounded like a pneumatic tool going off :(It's good to be able to make the trade off and turn it off or on as required.
M = M 240.Film Leilas don't band? Really?The M and the Q most definitely band, pretty noticeably...
I too have handled the SL and it is just too much for too little for me. If they'd made an interchangeable lens Q, then they would have nailed it IMHO.I own a D810 and fast big zooms already.The SL brings nothing to that game for me.For this I'll buy Nikon or Canon every time...
BTW, I thoroughly tested my M 240 + 90 APO against my D750 + 85 1.8G before I sold all my Leica's.The only advantage the Leica has is size and with the SL, it sadly doesn't even have that.
Your money - your choice.
@HowaboutRAW A7r II has a silent shutter mode :)Seriously, this thing is a tank. For that size and weight, I'll pick the D810 any day.
I'll wager it bands like every Leica ever made (and I owned M and MM), including the Q.
Nice, but too big for me.Steve Huff loves it and Ming Thein doesn't.Believe who you trust most...
RC Photography: Very nice review. Thanks Rishi Sanyal, Richard Butler, and Dan Bracaglia.
For anyone looking for a new system with $3400, this should be at the top of the list.
To TheGreatfulBread , I saw the D750 on eBay for $1600 recently. Anyone on a smaller budget looking at stills only could not go wrong with that.
Yeah but not on the A7r II. The A7s II is OK, but the old AI-S lenses aren't really a good match for the 42MP sensor.Some are better than others and I have a huge collection from 20mm to 200mm, including all the stars...
rev32: 90%? Really? What does the D810 get, which clears the sensor more quickly and can be used for sports and wildlife? 95%?
I have a Nikon D810 and D750 as well as a Sony A7r II and A7s II.They are different cameras for different use cases.
For Landscape and Astro (tripod) - D810.For Sports - D750For Wildlife - D810 or D750For Long and Fast zooms - Nikon
For Handheld - SonyFor Low light - SonyFor Travel - SonyFor Street - SonyFor Primes - Zeiss on SonyFor Slower lighter zooms - Sony
I previously owned Leica M and MM and the best glass.Sony with Zeiss is better IMHO.
I previously owned A7 II and A7s and sold them to buy Nikon, but missed the EVF and hand hold-ability so sold Leica and bought back into Sony, but this time with Loxia and Batis lenses.They make a BIG difference.
FujLiver: I am very worried.Robbed of their last angle of attack the anti-Sony brigade might self-harm ...
Not mine, sorry.Maybe some have issues and some do not.Mine is razor sharp.
I have around a dozen Nikon AI-S MF lens and shoot them with a Novoflex adapter.All the way from 20mm F2.8 - 200mm F4.There are zero issues with 5x magnification with any of these lenses. Again, I use B+W with red focus peaking set to medium and it is tack sharp. No differences between 5x and 12x...
No problem with 5x magnification with me.Tested it thoroughly with Zeiss Loxia 50 last night and it is crisp sharp throughout the image in the EVF.
I do shoot RAW+JPG and use B+W profile with red peaking on medium.Maybe it's the color display that screws it up?
dcolak: There is also the problem with the buffer flushing speed.
Take a couple of single shots in rapid succession and the camera bogs down and you have to wait for it to empty the buffer.
3200 USD camera that doesn't let you shoot too many pictures in a row and I am not talking about continuous shooting.
DPReview, try taking several photos of a moving kid! ;-)
More and more this looks like a landscape camera and nothing else.
No, I don't like wearing glasses period.Varifocals don't help, so don't be a smart ass...
Yes, this is my biggest gripe with the camera and uncompressed RAW will make it worse :(How 99% of the initial reviews (except Ken Rockwell) managed to overlook this aspect is beyond me?
The biggest advantage of the Sony's and one that no review has touched upon, is for people with bad eyesight. I require reading glasses and shooting my D750 hand held is a primitive experience in comparison.I have to have my reading glasses on my head and constantly switch them on and off in order to review anything or set anything.
The Sony with it's diopter corrected EVF allows me to set everything with the camera at my eye.No DSLR can do this...
EvilTed: Underexposure and High ISO leads to more noise.Awesome.Thanks for enlightening us :)
Yes, I understand fine.It's a triangle.You get nothing for free :)
dave: DPReview attemps to belittle Sonys image quality in order to boost Nikon sales. They say that the small A7II isn't suited for street photography, but a big heavy D750 received no such con. I ignore much of their comments in reviews as well as comments on image quality of any brand.
Not with a grip and extra battery it isn't.Then it is actually heavier than a D810 at around 900g!
The Sony 70-200 F4 is about the same weight, but larger than the equivalent Nikon and more expensive. The Sony 16-35 F4 is about the same weight as the Nikon equivalent. If Sony's system were based solely on the A7 II and you were shooting zooms, I'd say get the D750 instead.
I still think the A7s is the best camera in their stable and that's why I haven't sold all my Sony kit.The A7 II ended up getting an error on power on and it has had to be sent to CT for service.
Underexposure and High ISO leads to more noise.Awesome.Thanks for enlightening us :)
I agree with dpreview on most of their points.I am a street photographer based in San Francisco.
The A7 II is too heavy and way too noisy for a street camera.I got caught twice on my first outing on the street, shooting from the hip. This has never happened with any other camera (and I've owned all the Fuji models too).I also hate the extra weight and the new dials, especially the aperture dial which spins without warning and makes me continually have to check my settings :(
I prefer my A7s + 35 F2.8 for the street - it's the perfect combo.I will buy the A7R II if it has silent shutter and sell my A7 II immediately.
I shot both A7s and A7 II everyday for 3 weeks in Myanmar last month (March) and much prefer the files and color from the A7s as well as the DR and low light ability.The A7 II files can look somewhat flat and sterile by comparison.
Some of my work from Myanmar are on my blog:
WanderingEYE: Pretty much useless as a stills camera with only 12 MP.Must be some kind of inverted snobbishness at work here, an "exclusive" camera for artists perhaps?Not even real 4k.The NX1 is a much better movie making tool, it has a touch screen too which is particularly useful for documentary shooting in unpredictable situations.
Wanderingeye, absolutely not. I shot most of my images on a 3 week trip to Myamar using the A7s.
The A7s is a fantastic stills camera and I prefer it to the A7 II, Leica M 240 and Leica M Monochrom which I also own...