They appear to still have the same mega-snap latches. Hard to use and way too loud. Seems like there are many photographic situations where you need to be quiet - I guess that didn't occur to them. Take a look at Nanuk cases; seem to have much better latch - super easy, and silent if you want.
This is so expensive I'd probly rather have the a6300 w/lens because I rarely need 24x zoom, so it's more of a specialist's camera. But more importantly the video quality I see on RX10ii youtube samples has none of the a7 type wide dynamic range look to it, whereas 6300 has more of it. It looks a bit too much like cheap home video.
Beckler8: If this is like my older HX50 with 30x, it's not even useful to have that much zoom. Not only do you rarely need it and it's hard to hand hold, the image quality drops. I wish they'd stop it with the marketing nonsense and make what I think more people would actually want: 10 to 15x zoom and a larger sensor - in between this one and 1" in size.
Well the lens is slow and even on a sunny day you need high ISO which is then really bad. Also the image quality drops so much at high zoom that I think a higher quality lens at half the zoom then cropped to same size would probably actually be better quality. I'm just referring to HX50. In fact there's a comparison somewhere doing just that and RX100 image quality is so ridiculously better it really does call into question ultrahigh zoom/small sensor.
If this is like my older HX50 with 30x, it's not even useful to have that much zoom. Not only do you rarely need it and it's hard to hand hold, the image quality drops. I wish they'd stop it with the marketing nonsense and make what I think more people would actually want: 10 to 15x zoom and a larger sensor - in between this one and 1" in size.
You shouldn't have to wade thru these comments to find out about the video we're seeing. It isn't clear whether the whole thing is shot entirely with RX and if not what the main footage is from, etc. It makes no sense that all this isn't just in the description - they forget it's a photography site!
One problem with these RX/ZS/DL cameras is they all randomly juggle EVF/tilt-LCD/flash/hotshoe. Why? Either come up with a model that has them all, make 2 or more same-model variations, or have them modular so we can swap them out. None of those solutions are done because all these makers are, to some extent, still clueless apparently. Then there's camera body design which is equally random and non-innovative.
Better, grippier design with another proper control/button or two, tiltable screen and hotshoe would make ZS100 close to perfect compact camera (on paper).
As an aside, Image 11 shows us the 24-500 is a strikingly ugly camera.
Will be interested in seeing video performance. Nikon compact camera video was bad in the past - not sure if it's better now. Also disappointed to see no built-in evf in the 2 small models. Would rather that than flash - why not a modular design so the user can swap, or just have 2 model variations.
Is video still bad in current Nikon compacts? I know AF/AE has been garbage previously - for example you can clearly see stepping as it adjusts exposure.
It is my contention that unless you're a photographic clown who knows nothing, with women this beautiful ANY technique is going to produce amazing results...it just doesn't matter. :)
Beckler8: I wish they'd stop it with the minimalist/style/whatever design garbage that permeates everything in rx/a7/a6. Sick of that stupidity. Design stuff that's meant to be used by 10-fingered humans with best comfort and usability instead. One thing they could have is different available grip/control kits that change the shape and even function of cameras depending on users' particular preference and hand shape, especially size. But that would mean actual design innovation - which when it comes to ergonomics they apparently know nothing about.
Apparently I do - but that doesn't say much since they know nothing. I do understand that some prefer that style. Pretty much anything will be preferred by *someone* - that's fine. So why not at least make SOME of their compact cameras 'pro' or slr style if you will, for those interested in maximum usability. They have the a99 but then apparently assume small cameras all must be the ugly and pointless metro-style for no reason.
dwill23: I've shot well over 200 weddings. 1000s of NCAA sports games. A sucker for ultra sharp lenses.
However... when on vacation, I have my Canon EOS M w/22mm f2 (35.2mm) lens and my dirt cheap, 3yr old Panasonic 20x zoom, and I'm always reaching for that camera. What you can do with the telephoto compression is way more worth it to shoot with that camera.
I was on the beach in San Fran and a couple was having engagement pics taken. We all got to talking, and I was asked for tips. I asked for her mem card and posed the couple. I backed WAY up, zoomed way in to compress the background. Now they have a shot of them in front of the golden gate bridge. The bridge fills the frame behind them, beautiful.
At 35mm.... the bridge is a tiny little ant; you can barely see it in the photographer's pics. I handed her SD card back to her and walked away with a smile. I smoked her Canon 5D3 with 24-70mm L II lens.
$3300 = not worth it, too limited even at such high quality.
I agree but it's a specialist's tool. Most people aren't into that sort of specialty but to each his own I guess...
I'm not arguing for retro. Just that usability shouldn't be sacrificed for style - certainly NOT in something like a high-end camera that should have maximum fingertip control. Yet that's the apple-type style trend these days; minimalist and smooth with no controls. That's total bs on a camera. Style and aesthetic are debatable whereas ergonomics much less so.
I wish they'd stop it with the minimalist/style/whatever design garbage that permeates everything in rx/a7/a6. Sick of that stupidity. Design stuff that's meant to be used by 10-fingered humans with best comfort and usability instead. One thing they could have is different available grip/control kits that change the shape and even function of cameras depending on users' particular preference and hand shape, especially size. But that would mean actual design innovation - which when it comes to ergonomics they apparently know nothing about.
"...significant progress for mirrorless (it's too bad we can't say the same for the a6300's ergonomics)"
I'm glad to see dpreview can understand this. Sony is out of control with its idiotic design decisions. They're not thinking of usability and ergonomics. There's no reason not to have some more useful customization and controls. (Let's say it had just 2 more C buttons - why not. You don't have to use them if you don't like them). There's a whole empty canvas of area to add useful controls and experiment with innovation in UI, but instead we get nothing. This is ok for some $200 'stylish' models but is WAY out of place for serious cameras. They're complete and utter fools in that regard, I'm certain of it. The top model (a7 series) looks like some ridiculous apple toy.
Don't get me wrong I'm consdering the 6300 because I think it will surpass anything on the market in this range for video but the design is garbage.
Eric Glam: Impressive AF and frame-rate, but:- LCD is very low-res.- Flash sync limited to 1/160th.- No touch-screen- Battery life is too low. Should be at least 600 shots.- No mention if the 14 bit RAW is lossy or lossless compressed.- No mention if the menus have been re-arranged to make them easier to navigate and quickly find what you're looking for.- No IBIS like in the A7r mk2.- $1000 for the body is a little expensive.
All in all, the camera should be fun to use, but too many negatives to really want one.
" LCD is very low-res."
Is it though? It's only slightly lower than Alpha 7ii series (0.9 vs. 1.2 Mdot). 3" is small and you'd have to look way too close to see more detail if it was say twice the resolution. Would be nice but I don't see it as a showstopper at all. EVF is there for detail work.
Zoron: I would rather Sony change their design language......now it's too straightforward compared to Olympus Pen-F.
True, but no reason to randomly go retro either. They should be designing for maximum usability, as SLRs are trying to do. This has little semblance to an SLR which is a bad thing.
I like what I'm reading esp. the 4K video. Consider this a poor man's a7. :D But I will as usual complain about the ergonomics. No reason not to have another button or two on the top and front - there's plenty of empty space. They're still going for the 'plain minimalist' nonsense. There should be a zoom control on the body too and hopefully they will come out with more power zoom lenses.
Beckler8: The B&H website confirms the stupidity (IMO) of the design:
"...a versatile point-and-shoot marrying both form and function. Designed to be as sleek as possible, the ZS100..."
But ok, maybe some people want "sleek" instead of usable. So why not release the same camera in a version designed to be used? I'm talking proper button/dial size and layout, grip, something innovative like illuminated and more custom controls. I have zero interest in an all-smooth design to satisfy some subjective 'style' desire. I say subjective because I find the clean layout of a pro-dslr look infinitely more pleasing than the dumbed-down apple-look of this unit.
I think the point is that this and RX series are both completely unique in the marketplace, expensive and surely aimed at enthusiast crowds who are a little more than casual shooters. Why make the decision then to go the ugly and function-crippled "style" route on them all? That stuff is ok in its segment but way out of place in this one.