peevee1: This is art. Buying expensive camera and lens to photograph super-boring subjects with super-shallow DoF is not.
I appreciate your point, but it's only your opinion. You don't decide what art is - no one does.
Beckler8: Great camera, to be sure. But why so incredibly stupid-looking?!
But this one's particularly ridiculous. What's with the giant prism-box? Why try to pretend it has a mirror when the lack thereof is the main feature? Really...idiotic.
Great camera, to be sure. But why so incredibly stupid-looking?!
futile32: best in class... silver.... 79%.... interesting....
I own the RX100, hands down an amazing camera pocketableness asside. My only quibble about using it for my everyday 'keepers' was no tilting display (for waist level shooting) and no EVF. Both of these objections have (sort of) been handled with the MK2. I do wish the EVF was part of the body, but I am still amazed at how they managed to fit in what they did. Can't have it all.
Seriously though, this camera should be graded for what it is intended for and for its target audience. To complain that it has too many options/filtering and no in-camera raw conversion is just a joke.
The review complaining about the tilting screen's limited use, makes no sense. It's *quite* useful and if one doesn't think so, their shooting skill is limited. There are many shots you simply cannot physically get because you can't see the screen from a 90 deg. angle! Sony likely opted for simple tilt (no swivel) because it has almost no impact on size - the main advantage of this camera.
Anyway I don't really like this site, alas. Such a long-winded review (as usual) that leaves out some things, repeats others like twelve times and then rounds it out by saying really stupid things too.
Beckler8: The video samples are, as usual for this site, nearly useless. I've told dpreview before about how we need more useful videos that show AF/AE performance, etc. etc. But you're not interested in improving things I guess.
Oh I see, that's why it shoots 1080p60 video w/stereo audio and manual control then? Give the camera whatever name you wish - it's irrelevant. I assume this site basically ignores video because they don't really "like" video and are into still photography more. Whatever. That's just incredibly stupid if so.
The video samples are, as usual for this site, nearly useless. I've told dpreview before about how we need more useful videos that show AF/AE performance, etc. etc. But you're not interested in improving things I guess.
Do you idiots even know what you're looking at? Yeah, light levels that would produce a black screen from your useless iphone camera.
D R C: When I had a look at the Panasonic LF1 I thought what a great idea to have a EVF instead of the much maligned (but useful) tunnel ones, but I was disappointed with its EVF resolution, also I found the rear controls too small. So I thought to myself what is needed is a camera like the LF1 but a bit larger and with a better EVF…. Nikon must be mind readers!I just hope that the P7800 is as good as it looks.
@Marvol Well that's because like all companies, they're not just making the best products they can for each segment. Rather, all decisions are being made by useless *idiots* in their marketing dept.
For me the problem will be the video - surely it will be the same garbage-performance AF/AE during video as the P7700. Which ruins an otherwise very nice camera.
mad marty: These so called enthusiast cams just make no sense with a sensor in the same size like a mobile phone. If they would be cheap it would be ok but I bought a new nex-3n for half the price of these wannabe-enthusiasts. I don't need a exchangeable lens but there are just no comparable enthsiast-cams in the price range of an nex or a nx1000.
Correct. People like to tout sensor size as most important, when in fact most segments have their own unique strengths.
SHood: Who would pay $5k for a pin head sensor (1/2.3").
Someone who doesn't have *$30k* for a Sony F55, I guess.
No coverage of the very first digital camera (1975) which is pretty unique, though not "consumer". Instead, an implication that apple was the first, which it wasn't - neither for digital cameras nor consumer digital cameras.
Justin Francis: Both completely outclassed by the RX100
Meaningless. It costs almost 2x as much as 7700. And half the zoom. Those are the 2 problems with rx100 I see, otherwise I'd have one by now too. Also massively inferior ergonomics, but whatever.
keysmith: this category of cameras are overpriced and quite big. The same price can be spent on a NEX (nex 5r, 3n) with a 16-50 electric zoom lens. Same size but alot better quality. Only drawback smaller zoom, but crop can be a remedy on that. These bulky compact cameras (7700 and G15) should cost no more than 300-350€. At these price groups they make sense.On the other hand Sony RX100 is the only compact that makes a difference today. Unfortunately it is also expensive and not that good image quality.But the consept is good. Btw I would expect a better rx100 replacement (better noise on high iso).Anyway G15, 7700 to me are a dead category. Something like the old superzoom prosumers category we used to have (Panasonic FZ, Fuji) . Very few talk about them today because they were surpassed.
They still have a useful purpose I think. So cropping nullifies any zoom advantage just like that? Why have zoom at all then? No, the 7700 has a very nice zoom range, while still remaining coat-pocketable. An NEX has neither of those. It's still a unique category. RX100 has no zoom either.
I don't understand why video gets basically no coverage in these reviews. Quick sample clips with no mention of camera settings. No zooming, testing of AF or AE, and no low-light. No comparison or treatment of audio. This is completely negligent IMO.
In the case of the 7700, most videos I see on youtube have unusable AE 'fluttering' when you zoom in/out. AF doesn't work too well either. So I can't even consider it anymore. Anyway I guess no one cares about video.
David Hart: I have the DSC-HX30V and it is a mediocre to decent camera but an excellent video camera. I've taken high-def hand-held videos with it on a rigid-inflatable boat bouncing over the waves and the IS works wonders. Increasing the zoom range from 20x to 30x while keeping the same quality IS system would be quite cool, assuming Sony pulled it off.
On my last trip, I paired the HX30V with a Canon S95. The S95 was used for most of my photos, but the HX30V was used for zoom and videos. It was a lot lighter than carrying a huge zoom lens on my 40D and a video camera.
While most of the enthusiasts here won't like this camera, the HX30V has been very popular with everyday people who like to travel. I would expect the HX50V to be just as popular.
Hopefully HX50 improves image quality a bit? Guess we'll have to wait for the reviews. If only RX100 had all these features! That one gets crossed off my list for its lack of zoom.
mpgxsvcd: I am waiting for a company to just say the heck with it and come out with a camera with a 1/3" sensor and a 20-1000mm F8.0 lens. They know that the average consumers have no idea what the lens specs mean.
The only thing the average consumer knows are megapixels and 50x zoom and that is what Sony, Canon, and Nikon are giving them.
However, Panasonic and Olympus know that eventually people will realize that the most important thing in a small sensor camera is the lens because that can make up for the fact that the sensor is so much smaller and still has way too many megapixels.
This Sony DSC-HX50V has one of the slowest lenses I have ever seen on a really small sensor. Why in the world do people think that they need telescope focal lengths in a pocket camera?
What other compact super-zooms have faster lenses? They all have about this lens type, and this size sensor, as far as I know. There aren't many in this category however.
Why the hell can you download the orig. stills but not the video? Pretty dumb...
Parappaman: Sony likes this item.
Also, seeing Nikon's and Olympus' offerings in the lower-end of their enthusiast camera offerings, I realize how Canon's S100 is the camera that has aged better in the whole digital photography history. Being the best choice at its price range two years after its initial release is no small feat!
People tend to ignore the video aspect. Who wants 24fps as the only 1080 option? Yeah, no one.
I hope the video issues that I've seen on 7700 and P9000 series are fixed. AF/AE is totally unacceptable on those units.
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