BorisK1: What are the 35mm equivalent focal lengths for the front and back cameras, anybody knows?
What are the 35mm equivalent focal lengths for the front and back cameras, anybody knows?
dwill23: nice, but gone are the days you can buy a 128GB mem card for $18 from ebay. They made that a Note-only feature. At least you can still buy an extra battery. I might upgrade to this in Dec (when I can upgrade).
DaveDetroitMid Level Canon SLR shooter
The battery is not removable.
justmeMN: At $1000, this camera must be designed solely for hard core Sony fans. There are many nicer cameras that can be had for less money.
I thought that was RX1, no?
Glen Barrington: I hope the water seal for the charging and connection port is more rugged than the one on my S5, it wore out and broke off after about a year.
Not a big issue for me personally, but I could see that some people would be put out.
If it doesn't, you can always get an inverter. But if you make it a habit to charge the phone overnight, you should dramatically reduce the wear and tear on the connector.
It's got wireless charging.
Mike FL: It is nice to add two modes C1 and C2, but I think Sport mode (and M mode ) are more useful.
Or, just add PASM + Sport mode.
The DOF changes will be hard to see, though they should be there.
But if you look into the lens from the front of the camera, you can see the iris itself very plainly. The ND filter is visible too. With my TG-1, I can hear the click as they snap into place.
Oh yeah, remember a week ago you were asking about TG's combination iris / ND filter aperture?I can confirm: If you power up the camera in bright light while looking through the front lens, you can see it quite plainly. F:2 or no, that hole looks tiny!
They might, or they might not. This year Panasonic refreshed their TS rugged flagship to the model 6 by adding (drum roll... wait for it...) TWO NEW BODY COLORS!!!
That's all they changed from TS-5.
badbob001: I have the TG-3 and my biggest complaint is that the aggressive noise reduction blurs out small details. So instead of trying to fix that or add an option to make NR user-controllable, with the TG-4, they now they just hand us the raw data and expect us to fix it manually. Seriously, they could have easily given TG-3 users much of the same features with a firmware update.
It would had been nice if they added wireless charging so we can near-never need to open the doors and potentially introduce a seal-issue every time.
Right. And before you know it, you end up within an inch of a Nikon AW1, or a Sony RX100 in a Meikon housing.Why is that extra inch important for a dive camera?
When kayaking, climbing, skiing, or swimming, the camera has to stay out of the way to avoid injury. But divers already have a huge pile of gear hanging off then in all directions. They don't deal with fast moving water, don't scramble through dense vegetation.
Why does camera size matter to a diver?
128GB is a lot of space. It's well over 6500 raw captures. If you're diving, the battery will limit you to 300-400 frames per dive, tops. That's 15-20 dives.Something tells me, if you can afford this kind of vacation, an extra $100 for a memory card won't make a huge difference. And for a slightly less impressive trip, a 64GB card might just work.But it's moot anyway, because there's no wireless charging, and that camera door needs to open every 300-400 shots to charge the battery.But your *actual* point was not about the wireless charging at all, was it?Was about o-rings?
Interesting! I never knew how other models make this work. Makes sense. It's not ideal, but better than no control at all.
"My point is there are other reasons to open the door of the battery compartment."I was talking about a very specific situation. As long as you're in a hot, humid place, opening the camera door should be avoided as much as possible.
Haven't you seen the multiple complaints about waterproof cameras fogging up on the inside?
"And move the data from the card to computer wirelessly?"Get a large enough memory card and wait to copy the files until the camera is in an air-conditioned room, or on an airplane. Or use WiFi.
It certainly beats having the *inside* of your lens fog up as soon as you get in the water.
My TG-1 doesn't even have the "A" mode, and it's my main source of frustration with the camera.
Whenever the light gets brighter than a certain level, the camera activates the ND filter, and there's *nothing* I can do to switch it off. Various modes (including sports and snow), any and all ISO settings, any exposure compensation - nothing will shut it off.
The "A" mode should allow me to finally shut off that ND filter at will.
Now that I think about it, I can see how an "S" mode would be tricky with just the three possible aperture values.
Say, you set shutter speed to 1/400 and ISO 200, but the current light levels dictate either f:2.8 1/200, or f:8.0 1/1600. There is no f:4. What should the camera do - ignore your setting? Underexpose? Overexpose? Zoom in to obtain f:4?
Yes, wireless charging would've been extremely useful. In addition to possible seal failure, whenever you open the camera door, you let in the outside air.
If it's warm and moist (as it will be in many locations near water), it will cause condensation inside the camera as soon as the camera cools down.
Pentax had wireless charging in one of their waterproof models, but then dropped it.
Nuno Souto: Makers of these cameras need to be aware that 15m depth is NOTHING. They need to be at least capable of 30m like the Nikon AW130, to be of ANY use for scuba divers. Until that happens, they remain a toy capable of a lot more but requiring a very expensive case on top!
"for any detail or macro shot after 10 metres you NEED flash" - how much light do you expect from the tiny built-in flash? On land, it's barely useful for catchlight in the eyes and as shadow fill. I've never been able to get much use of it as a primary light source. Underwater it should do even worse, no?
"It's more expensive than the camera!" - well, at $300 it's slightly *less* than the camera, but you have a point - underwater housings aren't cheap.
On the plus side, that housing allows the TG to drive an external flash (which, again, isn't cheap either).
Just be glad you didn't get into astrophotography - very easy to go through a retirement fund, or so I've heard :)
Have you considered a Sony RX100 in a Meikon housing? The combo will set you back by about $1000, but you get a much better camera for your money.
EoinCuinn: I have the TG-2. While RAW is a bonus, there's not much else different between this and the TG-4This camera is the kids camera. My 2,4 and 6 year old all use it, to various degrees of success. Anyone wanting to hand something with a decent price tag to their kids to (hopefully) not destroy, so far mine has survived, so I reckon the TG-4 would be the same.What I am disappointed about, is the lack of a Shutter priority. My kids are actually really keen on point our camera at things and taking photos, and if I could program our TG-2, or subsequently the TG-4, to a higher shutter speed, I would get far more usable photos from their camera work.If I had my time again, I think I would get a similarly priced P&S with better shutter programming, and take the risk on it getting broken. That being said, I can take out TG out in the rain when they are jumping in puddles!
Mine survived the kids just fine - The cracked screen is all my fault. I was photographing something on the ground, and it slipped out of my hand. Didn't fall more than a foot or so, but the screen landed on a sharp pebble. It still works, but no longer waterproof.
I think, part of the blame goes to the rough spot on the screen that got rubbed out by the fabric of my PFD. My TG-4 is going to have a screen protector.
tocar: I have the TG-1 and upgraded to the TG-3. I love the wifi and GPS feature of the TG-3. I wished Olympus added touchscreen controls and more zooming capabilities. $50 more for RAW option might be worth it for someone else but not for me.
Instead of a touchscreen, the TG series have the "bump" controls, when you can change settings by tapping on the camera body.
It's not nearly as nice as a good touchscreen would've been, but it works, even when the camera is wet and you're wearing gloves.
Quoting you from above:
"with whining about how the RAW files are sh*t". That's saying so something about what you think the raws from this camera will be.
Actually, even though he said "RAW", what he really meant was poorly converted jpegs.
You've got plenty o RAW experience, so you tell me, what's going to look better -an out of camera jpeg or a jpeg generated by something like dcraw, set to all defaults, with all corrections disabled, and without any kind of camera profile?
If you look at the Olympus Compact forum, the very first time somebody tried something like that, they immediately complain about "funny colors".
There's another trick I found to control shutter speed.
Once, I was trying to get a shot of the full moon, but whatever I did, the camera flatly refused to go past 1/4 of a second or so, severely overexposing the moon face.
Then I had an idea to enable the flash - and voila, 1/100s and a well exposed moon. Must've looked funny to onlookers though :)