BorisK1

BorisK1

Lives in United States West Bloomfield, MI, United States
Works as a Software engineer
Joined on May 7, 2004
About me:

Equipment:
Bodies: Olympus E-3, E300
Lenses: 11-22mm / 50mm / 14-45mm / 40-150mm (rev. I)
FL-36 flash
4:3/OM adapter
OM bodies: OM 4Ti, OM 4
OM lenses: 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 135mm 3.5
T32 flash
Pentax Optio 43wr (pretty much dead now)

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On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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Mike FL: It is nice to add two modes C1 and C2, but I think Sport mode (and M mode ) are more useful.

Or, just add PASM + Sport mode.

The DOF changes will be hard to see, though they should be there.

But if you look into the lens from the front of the camera, you can see the iris itself very plainly. The ND filter is visible too. With my TG-1, I can hear the click as they snap into place.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 18:15 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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Mike FL: It is nice to add two modes C1 and C2, but I think Sport mode (and M mode ) are more useful.

Or, just add PASM + Sport mode.

Oh yeah, remember a week ago you were asking about TG's combination iris / ND filter aperture?
I can confirm: If you power up the camera in bright light while looking through the front lens, you can see it quite plainly. F:2 or no, that hole looks tiny!

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 01:24 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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Mike FL: It is nice to add two modes C1 and C2, but I think Sport mode (and M mode ) are more useful.

Or, just add PASM + Sport mode.

They might, or they might not. This year Panasonic refreshed their TS rugged flagship to the model 6 by adding (drum roll... wait for it...) TWO NEW BODY COLORS!!!

That's all they changed from TS-5.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 18, 2015 at 22:31 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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badbob001: I have the TG-3 and my biggest complaint is that the aggressive noise reduction blurs out small details. So instead of trying to fix that or add an option to make NR user-controllable, with the TG-4, they now they just hand us the raw data and expect us to fix it manually. Seriously, they could have easily given TG-3 users much of the same features with a firmware update.

It would had been nice if they added wireless charging so we can near-never need to open the doors and potentially introduce a seal-issue every time.

Right. And before you know it, you end up within an inch of a Nikon AW1, or a Sony RX100 in a Meikon housing.
Why is that extra inch important for a dive camera?

When kayaking, climbing, skiing, or swimming, the camera has to stay out of the way to avoid injury. But divers already have a huge pile of gear hanging off then in all directions. They don't deal with fast moving water, don't scramble through dense vegetation.

Why does camera size matter to a diver?

Direct link | Posted on Apr 18, 2015 at 22:18 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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badbob001: I have the TG-3 and my biggest complaint is that the aggressive noise reduction blurs out small details. So instead of trying to fix that or add an option to make NR user-controllable, with the TG-4, they now they just hand us the raw data and expect us to fix it manually. Seriously, they could have easily given TG-3 users much of the same features with a firmware update.

It would had been nice if they added wireless charging so we can near-never need to open the doors and potentially introduce a seal-issue every time.

128GB is a lot of space. It's well over 6500 raw captures. If you're diving, the battery will limit you to 300-400 frames per dive, tops. That's 15-20 dives.
Something tells me, if you can afford this kind of vacation, an extra $100 for a memory card won't make a huge difference. And for a slightly less impressive trip, a 64GB card might just work.
But it's moot anyway, because there's no wireless charging, and that camera door needs to open every 300-400 shots to charge the battery.
But your *actual* point was not about the wireless charging at all, was it?
Was about o-rings?

Direct link | Posted on Apr 18, 2015 at 16:27 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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Mike FL: It is nice to add two modes C1 and C2, but I think Sport mode (and M mode ) are more useful.

Or, just add PASM + Sport mode.

Interesting! I never knew how other models make this work. Makes sense. It's not ideal, but better than no control at all.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 18, 2015 at 01:14 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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badbob001: I have the TG-3 and my biggest complaint is that the aggressive noise reduction blurs out small details. So instead of trying to fix that or add an option to make NR user-controllable, with the TG-4, they now they just hand us the raw data and expect us to fix it manually. Seriously, they could have easily given TG-3 users much of the same features with a firmware update.

It would had been nice if they added wireless charging so we can near-never need to open the doors and potentially introduce a seal-issue every time.

"My point is there are other reasons to open the door of the battery compartment."
I was talking about a very specific situation. As long as you're in a hot, humid place, opening the camera door should be avoided as much as possible.

Haven't you seen the multiple complaints about waterproof cameras fogging up on the inside?

"And move the data from the card to computer wirelessly?"
Get a large enough memory card and wait to copy the files until the camera is in an air-conditioned room, or on an airplane. Or use WiFi.

It certainly beats having the *inside* of your lens fog up as soon as you get in the water.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 18, 2015 at 01:09 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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Mike FL: It is nice to add two modes C1 and C2, but I think Sport mode (and M mode ) are more useful.

Or, just add PASM + Sport mode.

My TG-1 doesn't even have the "A" mode, and it's my main source of frustration with the camera.

Whenever the light gets brighter than a certain level, the camera activates the ND filter, and there's *nothing* I can do to switch it off. Various modes (including sports and snow), any and all ISO settings, any exposure compensation - nothing will shut it off.

The "A" mode should allow me to finally shut off that ND filter at will.

Now that I think about it, I can see how an "S" mode would be tricky with just the three possible aperture values.

Say, you set shutter speed to 1/400 and ISO 200, but the current light levels dictate either f:2.8 1/200, or f:8.0 1/1600. There is no f:4. What should the camera do - ignore your setting? Underexpose? Overexpose? Zoom in to obtain f:4?

Direct link | Posted on Apr 17, 2015 at 15:58 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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badbob001: I have the TG-3 and my biggest complaint is that the aggressive noise reduction blurs out small details. So instead of trying to fix that or add an option to make NR user-controllable, with the TG-4, they now they just hand us the raw data and expect us to fix it manually. Seriously, they could have easily given TG-3 users much of the same features with a firmware update.

It would had been nice if they added wireless charging so we can near-never need to open the doors and potentially introduce a seal-issue every time.

Yes, wireless charging would've been extremely useful. In addition to possible seal failure, whenever you open the camera door, you let in the outside air.

If it's warm and moist (as it will be in many locations near water), it will cause condensation inside the camera as soon as the camera cools down.

Pentax had wireless charging in one of their waterproof models, but then dropped it.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 17, 2015 at 15:34 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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Nuno Souto: Makers of these cameras need to be aware that 15m depth is NOTHING. They need to be at least capable of 30m like the Nikon AW130, to be of ANY use for scuba divers. Until that happens, they remain a toy capable of a lot more but requiring a very expensive case on top!

"for any detail or macro shot after 10 metres you NEED flash" - how much light do you expect from the tiny built-in flash? On land, it's barely useful for catchlight in the eyes and as shadow fill. I've never been able to get much use of it as a primary light source. Underwater it should do even worse, no?

"It's more expensive than the camera!" - well, at $300 it's slightly *less* than the camera, but you have a point - underwater housings aren't cheap.

On the plus side, that housing allows the TG to drive an external flash (which, again, isn't cheap either).

Just be glad you didn't get into astrophotography - very easy to go through a retirement fund, or so I've heard :)

Have you considered a Sony RX100 in a Meikon housing? The combo will set you back by about $1000, but you get a much better camera for your money.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 16, 2015 at 15:57 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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EoinCuinn: I have the TG-2. While RAW is a bonus, there's not much else different between this and the TG-4
This camera is the kids camera. My 2,4 and 6 year old all use it, to various degrees of success. Anyone wanting to hand something with a decent price tag to their kids to (hopefully) not destroy, so far mine has survived, so I reckon the TG-4 would be the same.
What I am disappointed about, is the lack of a Shutter priority. My kids are actually really keen on point our camera at things and taking photos, and if I could program our TG-2, or subsequently the TG-4, to a higher shutter speed, I would get far more usable photos from their camera work.
If I had my time again, I think I would get a similarly priced P&S with better shutter programming, and take the risk on it getting broken. That being said, I can take out TG out in the rain when they are jumping in puddles!

Mine survived the kids just fine - The cracked screen is all my fault. I was photographing something on the ground, and it slipped out of my hand. Didn't fall more than a foot or so, but the screen landed on a sharp pebble. It still works, but no longer waterproof.

I think, part of the blame goes to the rough spot on the screen that got rubbed out by the fabric of my PFD. My TG-4 is going to have a screen protector.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 16, 2015 at 01:42 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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tocar: I have the TG-1 and upgraded to the TG-3. I love the wifi and GPS feature of the TG-3. I wished Olympus added touchscreen controls and more zooming capabilities. $50 more for RAW option might be worth it for someone else but not for me.

Instead of a touchscreen, the TG series have the "bump" controls, when you can change settings by tapping on the camera body.

It's not nearly as nice as a good touchscreen would've been, but it works, even when the camera is wet and you're wearing gloves.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 15, 2015 at 22:39 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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HowaboutRAW: Gik:

Quoting you from above:

"with whining about how the RAW files are sh*t". That's saying so something about what you think the raws from this camera will be.

Actually, even though he said "RAW", what he really meant was poorly converted jpegs.

You've got plenty o RAW experience, so you tell me, what's going to look better -an out of camera jpeg or a jpeg generated by something like dcraw, set to all defaults, with all corrections disabled, and without any kind of camera profile?

If you look at the Olympus Compact forum, the very first time somebody tried something like that, they immediately complain about "funny colors".

Direct link | Posted on Apr 15, 2015 at 14:32 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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EoinCuinn: I have the TG-2. While RAW is a bonus, there's not much else different between this and the TG-4
This camera is the kids camera. My 2,4 and 6 year old all use it, to various degrees of success. Anyone wanting to hand something with a decent price tag to their kids to (hopefully) not destroy, so far mine has survived, so I reckon the TG-4 would be the same.
What I am disappointed about, is the lack of a Shutter priority. My kids are actually really keen on point our camera at things and taking photos, and if I could program our TG-2, or subsequently the TG-4, to a higher shutter speed, I would get far more usable photos from their camera work.
If I had my time again, I think I would get a similarly priced P&S with better shutter programming, and take the risk on it getting broken. That being said, I can take out TG out in the rain when they are jumping in puddles!

There's another trick I found to control shutter speed.

Once, I was trying to get a shot of the full moon, but whatever I did, the camera flatly refused to go past 1/4 of a second or so, severely overexposing the moon face.

Then I had an idea to enable the flash - and voila, 1/100s and a well exposed moon. Must've looked funny to onlookers though :)

Direct link | Posted on Apr 15, 2015 at 14:14 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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Mike FL: It is nice to add two modes C1 and C2, but I think Sport mode (and M mode ) are more useful.

Or, just add PASM + Sport mode.

You can program the custom buttons to activate screen modes. On my TG-1, I set the "C2" to start "underwater snapshot 2".

Direct link | Posted on Apr 15, 2015 at 13:59 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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cgarrard: This is the camera I've been waiting for to delve into surf/surfing photography. I never wanted some big thing to carry around in the waves...

And the more I think about it, the more appropriate it would be for me to have for a lot of other uses too- including a good cam for my 4yr old to start practicing photography with.

I may pre-order this.

Next time I hope they go with a 12mp model instead of 16. To get image quality performance more inline with the stylus 1 would be nice. I still see lots of opportunity in the camera market for much more advancement in this class of camera.

Ah, I see. Well, it was merely a warning that the TG is a hefty chunk of metal. I certainly do not intend to give you parenting advice.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 15, 2015 at 01:10 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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cgarrard: This is the camera I've been waiting for to delve into surf/surfing photography. I never wanted some big thing to carry around in the waves...

And the more I think about it, the more appropriate it would be for me to have for a lot of other uses too- including a good cam for my 4yr old to start practicing photography with.

I may pre-order this.

Next time I hope they go with a 12mp model instead of 16. To get image quality performance more inline with the stylus 1 would be nice. I still see lots of opportunity in the camera market for much more advancement in this class of camera.

"Um thanks for the unsolicited parenting tips. I'm pretty sure that I- being her father- know what my 4yr old can handle."

Why the temper tantrum? That was a safety tip, based on experience. I own both a TG-1 and a TS-1, and watched my kids handle them over the years.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 14, 2015 at 14:38 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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Rod McD: This camera is an incremental evolution from its predecessor. To that extent it's fine, but once again, how about producing a slightly larger model with a bigger sensor? Everywhere you look people are extolling the virtues of very small cameras with 1" and MFT sensors (RX100, LX100). Just do it.

There seems to be an assumption that the people who do active photography in harsh environments won't benefit from the improved IQ that a larger sensor brings. And before anyone says 'buy a DSLR and UW housing' don't waste your breath. They're heavy and costly, there's no way on earth you can stuff them inside a PFD, or do all the things you need to do when you're surfing, kayaking, sailing, climbing, etc while you're hanging on to one. We need the middle ground of a tough camera with a bigger sensor.

"So many people would buy it in a heartbeat"
The problem is that not enough people are buying *any* fixed lens cameras these days. Oh sure, the numbers are better than in the film days, but nothing like the gold rush four years ago.

I doubt that simply waterproofing a large sensor compact would be enough to turn things around.

Still, there are a number of promising technologies on the horizon. This is an expected slowdown, as the industry switches from the fevered pitch of "digital revolution" into a steady state.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 14, 2015 at 14:20 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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EoinCuinn: I have the TG-2. While RAW is a bonus, there's not much else different between this and the TG-4
This camera is the kids camera. My 2,4 and 6 year old all use it, to various degrees of success. Anyone wanting to hand something with a decent price tag to their kids to (hopefully) not destroy, so far mine has survived, so I reckon the TG-4 would be the same.
What I am disappointed about, is the lack of a Shutter priority. My kids are actually really keen on point our camera at things and taking photos, and if I could program our TG-2, or subsequently the TG-4, to a higher shutter speed, I would get far more usable photos from their camera work.
If I had my time again, I think I would get a similarly priced P&S with better shutter programming, and take the risk on it getting broken. That being said, I can take out TG out in the rain when they are jumping in puddles!

With my TG-1, if I want shutter speed fast enough to capture normal human movement, I set ISO to "auto high". It works most of the time, unless the light is too low.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 14, 2015 at 14:01 UTC
On Olympus Stylus Tough TG-4 to offer Raw capture article (148 comments in total)
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Nuno Souto: Makers of these cameras need to be aware that 15m depth is NOTHING. They need to be at least capable of 30m like the Nikon AW130, to be of ANY use for scuba divers. Until that happens, they remain a toy capable of a lot more but requiring a very expensive case on top!

The "rugged" cameras aren't designed for scuba divers. They are primarily for swimmers, climbers, kayakers, skiers, beach goers, etc.

In general, divers use large-sensor gear, to handle the lower light levels.

For the divers who are dead-set on getting the smallest size possible, Olympus makes an underwater housing for the TG series that is rated to 45m.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 14, 2015 at 02:57 UTC
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