rrccad: well after grand proclaiming that CES, samsung would release new stuff - it's pretty obvious that samsung has shut this baby down a long time ago.
basically 1.5 years since the last lens came out for any of their systems, last camera came out nearly a year ago, even the firmware updates have dried up.
bad planning by samsung, making a great prosumer / pro styled body without a prosumer/ pro lens over 150mm and expecting it to sell well.
if they invested a little bit of brain power into a 100-400, or a 150-600 (or both) and released it with the camera they have have stirred things up a little more. but it was a camera without the lens arsenal that it desperately needed.
a7 a raging success where and according to what actual source?
actual sales figures, not made up ones.. a7 series out not even in the top 10 of MILC"s in NA .. the one place it should sell well.
non existent in japan. well damn, that's most of the MILC market isn't it?
also .. was the A7 series a sports camera? is the NX1 a high performance camera for sports / wildlife,etc?
see the difference?
osv: nx1 is in stock at b&h, back up to it's regular $1499 price.
if samsung is going out of the camera business, like so many doomsayers are claiming here, why isn't samsung having a fire sale on the nx1? it's overpriced for a mirrorless crop camera.
because they are hoping to grab as many $$'s as possible from existing stock?
looks like a smoking camera. let's hope the releases of the D5/D500 go smoothly for early adopters.
so umm yeah.. about CES..
well after grand proclaiming that CES, samsung would release new stuff - it's pretty obvious that samsung has shut this baby down a long time ago.
matander: As i see it yesterdays Nikon announcements were to battle Canon, they still dont have anything that to compete with Sony on video features. The d5 and d500 could very well contain the NX1 processor wich would be a first step for the nikon/samsung cooperation. The 3 min limit for 4k filming indicates that Nikon doesnt wanted to step into pro video with the d5 and d500.From a marketing point it would have been suicide to introduced the d5'(xx)s together with a new pro mirrorless system.In that perspective it is good that Samsung talked about friges yesterday, a mirrorless cooperation will be announcements by Nikon as that is the brand that will generate the sales, hopefully with an NX mount that support both FF and APS-C. I'd guess that Nikon will tackle Sony at CP+ with new mirrorless offerings in cooperation with Samsung..?/Mats
@don. The European restriction is 30 minutes not 3
DualSystemGuy: The slow lens is really a bummer on this camera. Only F2.8 on the wide end (RX 100 is F1.8) and F5.9 on the long end is brutal for a P&S. I realize it goes out to 250mm but by 50mm it's already at F4 which is pretty terrible. By 100mm you're already at F5.1 - clearly they cut lots of corners with the lens, and you aren't going to get much for DOF isolation on the already small 1" sensor at such small apertures. If they are targeting enthusiasts with this I think the lens kills it.
most prosumer zooms end at 5.6 or 6.3 .. whats the problem?
Neodp: Look this is a low ISO camera if that. It's also slow, as to the lens aperture and that means more blurry pictures. That all adds up to far less keepers and that’s before many other things that can get in the way. Therefore, even a practiced photographer is going to get around 25% usable pictures out of a session. You'll be binning 75%+ or you'll wish you had. You WILL miss unrepeatable shots that are very important to you.
What that means is it is NOT working as a CAMERA very well. Why? Lower cost does not explain that.
None of that is fun nor better than todays best cell phones. Phones being the bottom of the barrel and with their problems.
So what are these cameras for?
NOTE: I did not say there isn't a place for a pocket camera that’s not a phone; but these are not it.
if you can't take a half decent picture with any P&S, then I suggest you clearly need to up your game a bit.
Considering that with most kits even ILC's, kit lenses are slow and you need to stop them down for sharpness anyways, the apeture listed isn't as nearly as bad as you attempt to make it out to be.
there's also this thing called a flash. you may want to wiki that.
magneto shot: congratulations. DOA, dead on announcement. Canon need a new team of management that believes and listens to DATA.
- Market DATA says, mobile phone has replaced puny sensors cameras, so dont venture into it.- Flickr's DATA says - iphone is one of the top uploaders. Tht also means compact cams tht have no noticable picture quality improvement over mobile phones are no longer used.- GOPRO DATA says - if you want to sell puny sensors, put it into some crazy casing and out of the world wide angle because most dlsrs and phones wont have these- HOLGA DATA says - u need hype, put tht small sensor into something that ppl used to associate with fun- CASIO TR says - sell sexy and plastic skins.- Human behavioral DATA says - an average person only have 2 hands. the phones are getting bigger so there is no place to bring along a darn compact
learn from nikon's mistake of nikon 1.
EthanP99: Compared to the competition, these cameras offer a poor value.
Sony wx220, offers way more, at $168 pricing
Bsi, 10x, 1080 60p.
Canon, screwing you always!
so basically nearly double the price?
and your point is what exactly?
clearly you're not thinking that a camera (sony) that was MSRP at 199 is much different than the camera MSRP'ed at 209?
both use BSI (btw) and the only difference is really 60p. oh the horror.
of course it's 12x zoom on the Elph and 10x on the Sony.. not sure why you brought that up either..
go sony fanboy it up more thought, it's always amusing..
Rob Bernhard: Does the Elph 180 actually not have optical IS? There's no IS in the name, unlike the 190, which leads me to believe that they released a camera that reaches to 224mm equiv at f/6.9 with no physical stabilization system.
Canon, it's not 2003 anymore. Your R&D for IS in compacts has been covered for a long time now.
wait.. you know that?
you have taken apart the camera, calculated out the cost of production, shipping to north america, taxation, overhead, etc and deduced from your gaping posterior that they could add IS at no cost?
and was that $70 at MSRP, and no it wasn't .. it was $129 at launch.
J A C S: The armchair market analysts have spoken...
Some people think North America economies are around the world..
take for instance Costa Rica. Cell phones are extremely expensive. a cheap $100 USD phone there will set you back $250-300. Now consider that the average wage is less than $800
Not everyone can afford a cellphone, and nor do they want to be carrying it everywhere,and in some parts of the world taking out a cheap camera and snapping pics is safer than taking out a smartphone and doing the same.
and cheap smartphone cameras, really don't work that well either.
rrccad: are people actually sniveling over 109.95 to 209.95 dollar cameras like it should have the most up to date tech and features?
lol. it's called the bottom end of the market, where you give your 7 year old a camera and don't have to fret over them taking it into the bath with them.
perhaps you should wake up to reality and realize that the low end of anything never has what enthusiasts want.
so way to have no real sense of reality.
let's see .. a camera including the lens for $119..
includes battery, software, charger,etc ..
guess what.. can't do everything at $119 USD.
sure, if the friend was purchasing a camera for their 6-7 year old to play around with .. why not?
or they they couldn't afford an expensive camera, nor phone, but wanted something to take pictures of the kids with.. why not?
for the frothing mad dpreview enthusiasts no. but lets face it in alot of places in the world - 100 to 200 USD is alot of money.
some people want a cheap camera, because it may get trashed, stolen, or frankly, they can't afford it.
Alot of people can't afford a $400-$800 phone either.
and then there's kids that want a camera, and you don't want to spend alot of money on one for them yet.
cheap cameras still have their places in the market.
are people actually sniveling over 109.95 to 209.95 dollar cameras like it should have the most up to date tech and features?
sneakyracer: Slap a A7RII sensor on the Canon and it would get a 95% score... just sayin' That missing few stops of DR is Costing Canon dearly in tests / reviews.
Henrik Herranen: Good article.
Nevertheless, let me remind you as great as the Sony RX100 IV is, it is over 40% heavier and almost 40% larger by volume than Canon's G9 X. So, if you look for a really small camera with 1" sensor, you should at least consider the Canon.
I would certainly choose a G9X or a RX100 III as a more "disposable" travel camera.
rrccad: I don't know.. Walking around with a $1000 compact in most places of the world is simply a bad idea.
IMO that's not exactly "real world".. I'd choose the lx100 for that reason, or even the tough, or an older rx100 before the IVor the more flashy expensive looking x100t..
A good travel cam should not scream .. Steal me.
good point on the black one... and lol .. brumd.. really? let's see most countries in central america perhaps not costa rica as much. south america is certainly risky. in colombia most residents don't even carry cameras at all even at tourists spots.
so yeah .. perhaps not in the small centered area you were in but I certainly would watch what i bring to second / third world parts of the world.
and it's not even the risk .. people are more willing just to hand over a $200 - $300 camera than a $1000 if someone corners you, and it's less possible to ruin your vacation.