Scott Eaton: As a current Canon owner that has vowed never to buy another Canon dSLR again there's nothing in this preview that has changed my mind. Looking at the side by sides of the 7D 'Service Pack II' -vs- the Nikon 7100 I am still utterly astonished at how the Canon gets away with such trivial I.Q. improvements and yet their fan base keeps marching forward. If you objectively look at RAW side by sides the 7100 only falls behind in high ISO noise, but still has a significant lead in detail and color resolution. Plus, the 7D SP II *still* sludges high gamut reds like the 7D and 60D before it.
If you go to DR Resource the difference in detail between the two cameras is even more astonishing. I give credit to Canon for improving the noise floor, but it was dismal to begin with in the 7D and 60D.
To which Canon fans are going to slam my comments, but I stand behind my observations. If you are a soccer dad who likes to claim to be a pro while living in FB it's the perfect machine - like the 7D.
Odd. on my monitor - at ISO 6400 I see the D7100 shift into more of a orange hue on the red square on the xrite color checker, where the 7DII stays more "red". the A6000 is almost salmon color.
"The Digital Camera Resource Page is no longer being updated as of January 1, 2013. "
perhaps you meant another site for 7DII....
the D7100 as far as performance isn't even the same ballpark - hell most people put the 70D as having better overall performance the 7100..
Stollen1234: So what People are Saying there is no visible improvement with Canon 7 D Mark II Over Canon 7D.
Wow this is Pretty signifikant..
there hasn't been a lot of differences between even the 18Mp sensors at high ISO and other competitors. the only aspect of the 7D that gave me trouble was it's ability to have pattern banding creep into the image.
kristyn: Hi, I am new here, but most of the posts seem to deal only with picture quality. Shooting mostly at horse shows, I am hoping the mark ii is better at GETTING the shot, as far as tracking a moving target in low light. It appears that with a higher native ISO and better AF, how could it not be an improvement over my 7d? Your thoughts?
go to the forums section, there's a fair amount of first hand reports on preview bodies out there on the AF and it's capabilities.
zoranT: In my view, the image quality of all recent APS-C sensor cameras is pretty much the same. It boils down to what lenses you have and what you need around that sensor. This seems to be the reason why the most innovative products are not always the most sold ones.
pretty much everyone is in the state of diminishing returns.
I would imagine we'll see vendors not build newer cameras as often anymore for at least the higher end models.
AbrasiveReducer: If I were a camera manufacturer my worry wouldn't be about lack of innovations or not enough solutions looking for problems. My worry would be that all these cameras and most of their predecessors are completely adequate for most people's needs. There is little reason to upgrade and far less to switch.
only BarnET would post that's only a wifi dongle - since all he does is bash canon.
it does a lot more than that it's a DLNA server, gigabit lan, ftp server and Bluetooth GPS.
the price is still outrageous though .. however it's not simply a wifi dongle.
not to mention with the additional SD slot and canon's options for card saving you could easily put a eyefi card in the second slot.
OR .. a third option is to use a wireless router adapter.
tbh - most would tether though USB 3 anyways, since wifi tethering isn't exactly a long distance nor lag proof. the only omission I found odd off the 7DII in this regard was Gigabit LAN.
shadowz: The Sony A77 mark2 is almost as good ...while wearing a significantly lower price tag .........
but what do I know .....
@ Rishi .. you may have been doing all the sony fans a favor by leaving it off.
PhotoKhan: When we initially access the comparison it is set up to show Jpeg samples of the 7DII on the top left pane, the 7D on the top right, the Nikon 7100 on the lower left and the Sony a6000 on the lower right pane.
When we switch to RAW, no mater in what particular area of the scene you click the sampler over it is extremely clear that the Sony is far superior to the other 3.
actually on some parts of the 7DII scene I'm seeing light LoCA fringing which is at least indication to me that it's just slightly out of focus.
danny006: jpegs from the canon are soft and lack detail. Sony A6000 is clearly the winner here.
jpgs. got it .. of course sharpening defaults have nothing to do with things
zaffry: Canon goes for advertisement, Nikon goes for photographers need
really? you should post that in the Nikon D100/200/300s forum and see what they think about your assertation about Nikon going after photographer's needs ;)
Hibiscusbloom: Having examined the files in comparison with those of IDX, MK3, D4s and others, I would say there isn't really much of an improvement in IQ and low noise performance. Canon hyped it up too much. People looking for near FF performance had better be more realistic.
In my eyes, the improvement of iq over the 70D is slight. It appears to let in a wee bit more light and perhaps a very slight noise reduction, very slight.
With advanced post processing, the raw files can be rendered much better.
However, there are a host of new features, notably the much talked about improved AF, weather sealing, 10 fps amongst others that might sway many towards this camera.
Is the price justifiable? Depends, if you always wanted FF and about to make a choice on a particular DSLR, then mouth-watering models like Nikon D750 might be more enticing offering you the best of FF with crop sensor ability. If you already have Canon lenses and looking to pursue birds and animals in the wild, this is it!
wait..what .. did you just compare the 7DII against the 6.5k D4s and the 7K 1Dx and the 4K 5d Mark III and complain that a $1800 camera didn't match up?
who hyped it up? reviewers? professionals?
Joed700: It seems like the Sony Alpha a6000 is the winner here in terms of sharpness and high ISO performance.
@Joed - quickly invest in a new pair of glasses.
Donnie G: Thanks DPR,
This forum could use more user insight from professional photographers who actually choose and use equipment based on its ability to help them earn a living. Ms. Hansen's critique of the 7D Mk II clearly shows how Canon chose to improve on and address real issues that affect serious photographers who were looking for a low cost pro-grade camera to add to their kits. To hell with WiFi, hope Canon adds the voice recorder function to the Mark III version. :)
i think the 1 series has a microphone on the back specifically for that - I'm not sure they could really add it in after the fact to the 7DII
didn't canon have a high density sensor demo a few years ago?
OliverGlass: Wow. Tough crowd to please. I don't own a single canon cam and I'm from the "opposition" but I must say that these are good images. Clients of a blog would be happy with these too. Colors, tones and contrast are pleasing to me.
We're likely viewing these images in varying qualities of monitor and internet speeds. I suggest try downloading sample images from this article and view it on a calibrated monitor. Maybe you'll see that "crisp clarity" you're looking for.
view them enlarged - I'm not sure what happened in post processing or with the camera - if there was electromagnetic interference, but too many of them are a load of bird shi....
luckily the camera is out , and whatever happened in these images is either dpreview's compression or something crazy happened in the post processing
mario GTI: Just ordered one.Paid extra grand for overnight delivery😜
pssh I ordered two .. had to have one for my EOS-M as a backup
f/8.9 .. who would use such a crappy lens anyways ;) 2.8 or go home.
TrojMacReady: Some hefty vertical banding in sunset shot #14, especially considering this was already downsampled a lot.
that looks pretty crazy same as #5. haven't' seen any examples that look that bad out there before.
FartIng: without a hotshoe, no slow motion movie, smaller zoom, less battery capacity..im in no rush with the amazing G16 in my pocket. I just love the 60pHD and lens.
A fully articulated swivel is surely better than this tilt?
to be fair, the G7x is much smaller than the G16.
brownie314: So p1ssed that Canon could not find an engineer on the EOS-M team that could figure a way to get this mode dial + exposure compensation dial on the EOS-M. Would have made a world of difference.
I never could really see the point of a exposure comp dial outside it looks cool. exposure comp is one of those things I set and forget.
BarnET: Last time I saw a article like this on DPR.It was a pathetic Indian photo contest.Wonder what the disappointing news will be this time.
probably wasn't pathetic if you lived in India - where the actual promotion actually came from.
was it' only "pathetic" because it had something to do with you? that's pretty short sighted wouldn't you say?
KBStudio: RAW files are useless until Canon and or Adobe provide LUTs for this new format. I have tried DPP, DNG and ACR/LR5. None will read the new RAW files. So JPEGs are the best we have until then.
DPP update is available as of today. So umm yeah, it's available.