Dave Luttmann: Too much time is wasted on comparing ridiculously high iso ratings that make up such a minute amount of where photographers normally reside. There must be a small underground movement of people producing 20x30 landscape, street, or portraiture at 100,000 iso that I must be missing.
but to be honest .. people shooting this high would be image stacking, and gaining alot more resolution and detail back.or they should be ;)
jenbenn: What you forgot to mention is that the 5D has vastly superior dynamic range in all shots. The highlights in the sony raws are all blown out while the canon retains considerably more detail.
BTW I own a 5d III and a Sony A7 (non-r). The canon consistantly delivers less noise and better dynamic range at all isos above 400. The exception being at iso 100 and iso200 where the sony has less shadow noise if you need to lift the shadows dramatically.
To complete this: Any test site (hint: DXO) rating the canon sensor far below the sony sensor, should start using their cameras to take photos instead of performing absurd measurebating tests which do not translate into real life.
there is something weird going on about the highlights coming off these images, the A7R / A7S are consistently blowing out some areas versus the 5D shot. maybe highlight headroom - versus the sony which has better shadow detail. and lol @ marc.. world doesn't revolve around a test site that uses faulty measurements and certainly doesn't publish "how" they do it.
67gtonr: At 21 months on the market the EOS M already has five auto focusing EF-M mount lenses in addition to the 17 EF-M mount manual focus lenses and of course the 100 or so EF and EF-S mount lenses that are fully compatible with the use of a $75 Canon adapter. Of course there are the over 100 million used Canon lenses available as well.
lol . yes, because canon certainly doesn't manufacturer best in class lenses for the EF mount. oh wait .. you changed gears again to try and bash..
6D you mean the best selling full frame camera in north america - I guess they got the features pretty right.
so? it's their only camera mount - i would hope to hell they manage to produce lenses for it.
and btw, Fuji has only produced 12 of those. that that great at all all things considered.
zsedcft: I have just gone back to eos-m as my compact camera of choice. I bought an RX100 because the glacial focusing of the eos-m (and inability to focus is low light) was killing me. The RX100 is so close to being perfect but Sony, as usual, destroy their amazing hardware with stupid software. The two that I couldn't tolerate are the lack of interval timer mode (with no option for remote control, although I believe that the RX100 II does this with a smartphone app) and the pathetic max 0.7eV, 3 shot bracket. I just don't understand the second one; Sony had already gone to the trouble of making a bracket function but then they decided to arbitrarily limit it to 0.7eV.
The EOS-m can bracket much wider using the default firmware, but "tragic lantern" opens up a world of possibilities when it comes to timelapse etc.
I am pretty sure that canon are going to release a new version later in the year. I'll probably wait for the inevitable fire-sale and pick up a great camera for half off.
@John C Tharp not on mine.. the 11-22 is pretty much instant focus. 18-55 a little slower .. and the 22mm certainly slow. Now i usually roll with one shot AF, non-flexizone though - YMMV in AI servo and flexizone AF.
what len(s) are you using on the M? either the 18-55 or 11-22 are slow to focus .. i do find the 22/2 pretty sluggish though. also make sure you updated your firmware.
BarnET: I find it very funny indeed that a superzoom is just as fast at 200mm then canon's native tele-zoom.
i'm sure you find alot of things funny. some of us simply find you that way.
HaroldC3: An unexciting yet essential release to round out the lens selection. This does nothing to hint if anything in the future will be released in the U.S. If anything, this points to Canon concentrating on the non-US market. I guess the fire-sale they had wasn't enough to sway them.
more like the combined 100K MILC units shipped to the US so far this year with hardly any out of stock issues is more the problem.
Donnie G: I think that any new or updated EOS M body that Canon decides to sell in the U.S. will be offered in several different body + lens and body + lens + EVF kits. A typical 2 lens kit might consist of a prime lens + a convenience wide to telephoto zoom + body + camera bag for under $1000. I doubt that there will be a body only option. I believe the cameras will be P&S simple, with few external controls, but with excellent image quality and very easy to use video capture. Body and lenses will likely continue to be housed in handsome metal exteriors. This new EF-M 55-200mm lens would be a perfect fit for a compact kit like that. I also think that these kits will be sold mostly through the Canon direct sales website. It just makes sense.
I agree donnie - actually i hope that all future canon bodies have the new hot shoe for external EVF.
T3: Other sites have reported that this lens will have a plastic lens mount. I'm okay with shorter lenses having plastic lens mounts, because those lenses don't stick out as much. But I don't think it's a good idea for a long, narrow telephoto lens to have a plastic lens mount. A long, narrow cylinder sticking out from your camera needs something more re-assuring than a plastic lens mount.
It really seems like Canon is only doing the bare minimum to keep the EOS M system going. I think it's time to sell my EOS M gear.
long narrow lens? drama much?
it's less than 3.5" long.. there's tons of plastic bodied lenses out there far longer, with the mount jacket screwed into plastic or even just plastic that have faired quite well.
keeponkeepingon: woot! Some EOS-M love.
I stumbled on an EOS-M with the excelent 22mm/F2 for $199 and could not resist. Gosh am I happy, what a fun little camera. It's my around the house and out and about camera. Sure it's slow as nails but I knew that going in.
I've been dragging my feet on buying other lenses though. I'm tempted by the 18-55 (cheap!) or the 11-22 but then I'm destroying the three advantages the M has over my T2i ($199, size! and a 35mm FF equiv fast prime).
IQ from even the old canon sensor is better than anything M43 and with the 22mm F2 prime it's a nice little package and (for what I paid for it) tremendous bang for the buck. There is no way that $200 could get you a better "New in the box" fast prime performance with large sensor IQ.
get any other lens than a 22/2 and it's certainly not slow to AF. especially the 11-22 is pretty much instantaneous.
Of course that won't satisfy the frothing MILC fanclub that need something exciting to scream about - but I can appreciate any company not wanting to lose money in a market where it just really doesn't make sense to attempt to penetrate.
Canon's doing a quiet curious approach - building a stable of very small optically excellent lenses that are very economical to make. they aren't in a rush, because there isn't isn't a world wide market for it.
I don't know Donnie.
Let's do the math .. only 100K MILC's were SHIPPED to the states so far this year. that's sony, olympus, canon, nikon, fuji,etc.
that's even with all the releases that have supposedly everyone in the camera industry excited, forthing at the mouth and switching from their flippy mirror systems in screaming hordes. 100,000 units. that's it. 25K units per month.
so let's say canon gets 10% of that realistically - so 10K units or 2.5K units per month. how much profit does canon USA make? would they even make any for supporting such a small system, with such a small margin as MILC is?
Now consider that most of the companies especially canon take a loss leader on the exchange from YEN to USD. this currency loss isn't reflective anywhere else in the world it seems - just in the US. That margin shrinks even further.
CameraLabTester: Canon should replace the EOS M disaster with a newer body model instead on newer lenses.
New lenses, no matter how brilliant they are, are just bricks when mounted on the quagmire designed EOS M.
Come out with an upgrade for EOS M, then maybe consumers will call on the deal.
It is also your responsibility, Canon, to issue relevant and important FIRMWARE UPDATES to those who have been suckered into buying the EOS M incomplete camera. They deserve your support.
well the af layer isn't on top, but guess again.
panasonic's image app? the one i have to keep on resetting my phone to restart the app because it fails to reconnect? that one?
okay then... bash away..
Rooru S: No longer listed in Canon USA huh? Interesting...
lol @ huge. don't let facts get in the way of your bashing there.
ohwait . i'm sure he'll come up with some bull story about m43's being the equivalent...
nicolaiecostel: 6.3 ? Seriously ?
lol .. looks like Barn is up to his normal behavior. fact of the matter is .. it's the smallest which adopts more to the principal of short registration small bodies then the samsung or the sony .. no matter what excuses you'll give for them.
the grass is not that greener when you start taking into account the cost, size and quality of lenses.
Samsung rolls in at a 1/3 stop advantage at the tele end - and is considerably larger and heavier.
Sony E mount is larger, heaver and has the same speed (but 10mm more on the tele end).
Fuji is another beast all together - but you really dont' have any other options if you want a tele zoom and a small kit.
the 45-150 that's an m43's one isn't it?
petemod: This lens is almost as slow as EOS M camera sales.
Odd.. it was the second highest selling MILC camera body in Japan in 2013, and just looking at May BCNrankings .. ranking as #1 selling in Japan.
dpr4bb: Is a switch of the Rebel DSLR series to mirror-less imminent?
I doubt it .. canon just completed a really nice STM IS EF-S lineup with the 10-18 released.