seems a few people including at least one with a "dpreview" badge by their name owes Andrew a bit of an apology.
what is crazy is that mirrorless sells well in Germany - it's probably one of the few areas outside of Asia that it does.
Stark reality, 3 out of 4 ILC purchases are still canon and nikon and are DSLR's.
mariuss: This should stop the mass exodus to the Sony! :)This tells me that the D5 will do not appear soon.And ... ah, of course its a matter of time till Canon comes with a similar statement ...
it would take a complete idiot to be interested in a D5 body and move to sony.
The only reason I can figure out for such a desperate announcement is the Leica SL. Which must worry Nikon more than I thought.
Unfortunately, the announcement (giving a name, D5, and fact to become the next top-level again), confirms a sad thing: Nikon still does not innovate. If I had $7000 to spend for a next body, the SL suddenly looks rather tempting after this announcement ;)
bahaha .. the leica SL? really?
it's really nothing new for either canon or nikon to preannounce their professional cameras
I doubt a camera body with one lens really worries canon or nikon that much.
especially considering the cost of the standard zoom is almost as much as a 300 2.8 from either manufacturer.
Leandros S: I was rather looking forward to their 300mm lens.
the 5 demo units should be on ebay sooner or later ;) :P
Peiasdf: Not a surprise. NX is not a money maker for Samsung nor Samsung's core business. It is a fine pet project when Samsung Mobile is printing money and Samsung Electronic is doing well but when money is tight for core business as they are now, pet project got cut. Especially with NX is #6 or #7 with less than 1% market share.
it was a pet project that so horribly failed to meet it's objectives it's no wonder it's on lifesupport.
Samung had high ideals about being #1 in mirrorless by 2015, and #1 in cameras overall .. like that happened.
PORTRAIT: IF and I repeat, IF this rumour turn out real,I will be sad to see them exiting the Camera biz.We need competitors here, I respect Samsung, there are capable of AMAZING electronic products..I almost ended up buying the very first NX10, remember? for instance, Fuji wasn't even around at that time,and it was the only APC sensor ILC contender besides the very first Sony Nex 3... the question is WHY???..I can't wrap around my head...
the why is easy.
there's simply no money in it. it also takes resources and talent that are best served in other departments such as smartphones.
no company, not even one the size of samsung has infinite amount of talented assets to work with.
and let's face it.. after seeing Olympus eek out 280,000 units sold over SIX months .. and I suspect Samsung not even CLOSE to OM's numbers.. why on earth would they continue?
the proof positive is the fact you can look under the "cameras" section here on dpreview and sort by year and also do the same thing on lenses.
anyone that thinks that doesn't show a major shift in direction and possibly moving away from cameras .. is delusional.
lol101: Indeed... Deafening silence by Samsung...
I'm actually surprised, I thought they would just issue a blanket statement saying that these rumors were unfounded. They do not really have to say anything else, just denying these rumors would suffice.
I'm a long time Samsung user (nx10, nx1000, nx30 and some primes) and am really impressed by the fast evolution of their technology from average quality (nx10) to outstanding (nx1) in very little time.
I'd be sad to see them go. Still looking forward for some good news. Nx50 is due next year if they keep their usual schedule.
actually about the only repeated fantasy posts in here seem to be yours continually defending a company that you don't even work for .. with third hand information (which it will be unless you were talking a product manager from samsung korea) that's so obviously pulled back and did a 180 degree turn on ILC and cameras as a whole, outside of smartphones.
I hope you are getting paid by samsung, because your defense on this posting is a little over the top.
just because you heard from a rep that there may be a new camera at CES does not make it fact.
aftab: Whether the rumor is true or not, we probably can agree on few things.
NX1 is an excellent cameraIts not selling wellIts not even available in most places where you would expect to find a decent ILC.
People have pointed out many reasons why this is the scenario; from poor marketing to lack of adequate lenses/accessories to lack of adequate support.
I remember Samsung spokesperson saying last year: mirrorless will dominate camera market in three years. If Samsung's venture into the camera market was based on that premise then they probably are realizing that they were wrong.
Camera market is generally shrinking. Mirrorless is a smaller player in that market, Samsung is even smaller. Samsung needs to be ready for a long haul before they can make any significant impact in this market. Question is if Samsung will be willing to do that.
howabout.. what are you going on about. do you understand the word.. "SOME"..
so how could SOME of their camera line . be construed by you to mean "ALL their camera lines.."
there's no rumors I quoted as fact, that I will leave entirely up to you.
rrccad: these numbers look off. for starters, OM should be selling.. well. more.
according to their financials OM has around a 12% marketshare in MILC's.. and that just seems to be a ridiculously low amount.
Olympus is literally slaughtering the domestic market since around November of 2014 to now. Creaming literally everyone. its not even close.
CIPA's MILC's numbers for this year are 2,300,000 units manufactured, of that 280,000 are from Olympus.
I would have placed Olympus easily with around a 30-40% marketshare overall in MILC's.. but that would mean they should be closer to 600,000 to 900,000 units - not 280,000 units.
pity that Sony didn't break out their numbers - it's hard to think they've increased their net MILC marketshare over the 50% or so they were before (going higher value vs units) - is Sony quietly taking over the MILC market? is sony around 60+% now and everyone else fighting for table scraps?
anyone else wish that the companies had standard reporting??!
ahh good point! .. need to deduct january and feburary numbers from CIPA to get a 6 month aggregate..
MILC sales for jan/feb are 366,000 - so the total for the 6 month period is around 1,950,000 units against 280,000 units.
still though 14% marketshare is way under where i'd expect them to be.
the 280,00 units is for the 1H 2016 report so half a year. they are predicting 520,000 units for the full year.
these numbers look off. for starters, OM should be selling.. well. more.
Thorgrem: So mirrorless sales are up 22% for Olympus. How can that be? Reading the news articles on this site and the reactions under it gives the impression that Sony has the entire mirrorless market and is destroying everything else. How can such an tiny sensor gain share? FF supposed to be the only thing that matters...
actually unit sales are up more. around 35% .. 230,000 to 280,000 units for first half of the fiscal reporting year.
however keep in mind the units are pretty small with respects to the overall market, it's certainly nice to see Olympus back in the black and improving.
brownie314: Wow, any camera company growing and showing profits in the current market is amazing. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think this is the only camera system manufacturer that i have seen report growth.
edit: got the numbers wrong.. their results are hard to read!
1H 2015 230,000 units, 1H 2016 (current fiscal) 280,000 units.
Projection for 510,000 units to 520,000 units for year
digital cameras on a whole down from 1,290,000 units to 1,050,000 - that trend is following everyone else.
still though nice results, however surprising how little olympus overall is selling - I would have thought they'd be closer to Sony's ILC sales numbers especially the way they are killing it in Japan.
not really .. sony showed positive results. but sony reported more, including units - so the focus was on the drop of units. olympus is simply reporting aggregate net sales including the Yen exchange.
I love how they broke out regional statistics, but it would have been nice if there was more substance in their report like the other vendors have done.
however, Olympus is completely dominating Japan this year - it will be interesting to see the BCN results when they come in.
edit: ah, page 9 .. they did break it out.
that does show some good results.
for the first half of this year, up from 327,000 sold/shipped to 364,000 sold shipped.
net forcast for the year is down from 692,000 units to 660,000 units.
up for the first half of the year for sure.
it's sales numbers.. and that includes Yen increases. sony posted an increase in "sales value" and canon was dead even .. even though they also reported "units" as being lowered.
also before you get all giddy .. we're talking some pretty small dollar amounts.
their gross net sales equals around canon's imaging profit amount.
what i find fascinating is just how little Olympus sells in NA.. 3.66 billion yen worth.
perhaps reading would help? "has already shut down some of their camera line"
They've already shut down without even a whisper their P&S camera lineup. if they've already done that - what makes you so sure they haven't done the same to the ILC lineup?
one could argue they've done the same for Mini-NX2 however that would be more a rumor than fact.
lens range isn't a weakness - right .. a sports and fast action camera without a lens past 200mm.... yes, no problem there. they don't even have a S series lens past what? 150mm?
you keep missing the very obvious point.
samsung has already shut down some of their camera line.
samsung has clearly stopped or massively slowed down lens releases.
basically all you are doing is refuting facts with .. guess what? a rumor.
dyoon153: Rumor actually has been going on for a while in Korean camera forums, most already from August and September. I read somewhere that camera engineers are already reallocated to mobile divisions, and Samsung's restructure is on-going process..
if i was samsung, and the very large smartphone segment was under seige - would I not want all my talented sensor and optical engineers working full time on creating the best in class smartphones?
and more real facts:- samsung has halted their entire P&S lineup- no camera bodies since Febuary - and even now the earlist they'd release a new one would be jan / feb next year.- no lens releases since Sept 2014.
it's hard to step back and look at what samsung did the PRIOR three years and then look at 2015 and think that it's business as usual.
brycesteiner: If this model is still in stores, why would Samsung confirm this discontinuation? No one would buy it because it won't be supported. Dealers couldn't in good conscience recommend it and Samsung doesn't want to take them all back to the warehouses especially if there is a stockpile.
If this being the case, they certainly wouldn't confirm it with a press release, which is what seems to be happening.
@ Mr Banas,
perhaps you should have read the thread in which Mr Reid actually discusses his own information and why he posted the post and his own conclusions before jumping to conspiracy theories.
I don't like alot about what Andrew posts on his blog, however, he did verify and have this information verified with his own retailer before posting the blog.
and you're actually bordering on legal defamation btw by insinuating the only reason he posted that was because of ulterior motivation with respects to his website. if anything Andrew has been very positive about the NX system and VERY negative about Canon's current trends in video.
Your comments are actually far more poor taste than the original blog.
that's a little underneath even dpreview.