Bob Janes: This is a great shame - in order to have effective competition in the camera market we need all the players we can get: the Uk decision sounds more extensive than the German one (ie not just the NX1 but everything).
the problem with the NX was it was competing or trying to compete directly against the "big boys" with the longest lens sitting at 150mm.
it may have been totally superior to the 7D Mark II or the D7200.. however with only a 50-150/2.8 .. it's not going to get anywhere close to the traction that it was supposed to get.
the MILC niche is dog eat dog .. and who knows what is going to happen there.
the marketshare of full frame is even less.
pros aren't exclusively purchasing full frame, and many a pro uses crop sensors.. lol.
and how is sony a success story? mired in 11% marketshare and actually decreasing in overall unit marketshare?
and btw, there is nothing wrong with mechanical engineering, and you'll never get away from mechanical engineering in our lifetime with an ILC.
the fact remains as such, the vast majority of camera purchases are perfectly happy with their mechanical, optical viewfinder systems of today.
photominion: They simply realized that a shrinking market was a waste of time and money.Samsung would never be able to get back investments that would be necessary to push their cameras to a noteworthy level.I'm not talking about "fame on dpr" but about sales numbers, new customers, brand ambassadors, etc.
The marketing budget for their mobile phones is ridiculous, but they got to the top and beat Apple at their own game..Contrary to the camera market, mobile sales are still climbing and there's sooo much more money to be made.
why? full frame is even less of a market.
@Marty - the marketshare is even less than that.
it still floats in between the 20-26% overall marketshare, with around 9 vendors participating.
let's face it.. Olympus is only projected to sell 520,000 units this fiscal year.
canon and nikon will sell around 10 milllion ILC's in between them.
the only reason olympus, sony,et all went mirrorless was because it was impossible to compete on equal footing with canon and nikon.
however with market contraction, and phones eating up the "I need small and portable" crowd with basically the disruptive technology in smartphones of today, the primary reason mirrorless existed is less of importance to most in the world.
Tom Schum: If Samsung has allowed Sony to take over, we are all the losers. Sony's strong push into the upper reaches of sensor design seems to be dominating the markets at this point, whether in Sony cameras or other brands.So we have one fewer sensor manufacturer out there, and fewer choices for our art.Even with my Fuji system I am supporting Sony, who has built the basic sensor my Fujis use. Same for many other brands.
take over what? it's dramatic 11% marketshare? (edit: i see you were talking about sensors..i should learn to read..)
there's no indication that samsung will stop making sensors. they still do for their phones, industrial and military applications.
phones will remain and always has been the primary push on current sensor design anyways, not ILC's.
Andrea Georgia: I very much suspect that Samsung thinks that the US has the growth potential which Europe doesn't seem to have anymore, precisely because the US is not as saturated with mirrorless cameras as Europe is. This does not mean that Samsung will be correct in their assessment. But their current marketing activity from twitter to photo shows in the US points this way. We'll see how things will develop there over the next few months.
By now it should be clear though that Samsung do not feel any commitment to their customers and may pull out at any time if the numbers don't add up.
Now that they've abandoned many European countries including Germany and also the Netherlands, I'm pretty sure they will roll things up in Europe entirely. I think the Brits still have a couple of shops which sell NX, incl. Wex Photographic.
I suspect that it won't help US sales when word gets around in the US how Samsung have abandoned the European market so quickly, how entirely unreliable they are.
100% of nothing is still nothing.
Mirrorless ships what.. 40K units to NA per month? a total marketshare somewhere around 15%?
glossing over that aren't you? that 12% that you're startled about- is 40,000 units. that's basically rounding error.
Andrea Georgia: Accidentally, I just saw this DPR article from June 2015, confirming more or less what I wrote below about the US as an expanding market for mirrorless and Europe as a stagnant or contracting one. Samsung certainly act like they want a good share of this American market. That's still no excuse for their behaviour in Europe. That being said, they may not be the last to leave, unless the European market turns around, miraculously.
or they just have that much more inventory in the USA right now because it didn't really sell at all.
that information is rather fictious.
it takes into account that for some reason there was a gap of a year in shipments to NA.
in essence if you look at shipments from when CIPA split it from DSLR's.. it hasn't grown at all.
there's the NA data by marketshare.
some growth eh?
and sony's lately gone to reporting "value" .. which is meaningless, because it's simply some accounting FOB number that sony pulls out of their a..
not to mention the NX1 still isn't selling well against any Canon/Nikon DSLR ion which it would be competing with in NA - and they don't have the lenses to support birding / sports,etc - heck samsung doesn't even have a 100-400mm - one of the most popular prosumer telephoto zooms.
God knows what Samsung would think that, NA is where MILC"s go to die.
Even with the massive publicity from dpreview every other day, mirrorless still in NA is basically dead.
Sony loves to manipulate stats to make things look better by point back to a "dead year" in NA for MILC's .. but the fact of the matter is, the marketshare hasn't moved since 2012.
Sony may be shipping a higher FOB, but it's not translating into any sort of marketshare.
and really .. samsung in NA? where? last time I went into one of the main samsung stores in houston, they didn't even have a camera.
let's face it, they may release another camera, but you can look at their effort in 2015 and pretty much see the signs - they are DOA.
Johnedlt: You can blow the competition away Nikon! Do it!
Sony was nowhere when the d3 came out now Fuji, Sony and so many others have gained so much market share all considered.
Stay ahead of the innovation curve!
no they haven't.
Marty4650: While they are very popular on this particular website, MILC cameras are really a very small part of an overall declining camera market. And there were ten different manufacturers in this small market, with five of them making MILC cameras with APSC sensors (Canon, Fuji, Leica, Sony, and Samsung.)
Something had to give. The market just isn't large enough to sustain so many competitors who make very similar products.
The much larger DSLR market has only two competitors now (three if you count the yet to arrive Pentax FF DSLR) so it is hard to imagine how the market could sustain five companies selling APSC based MILC cameras with 3X zoom kit lenses.
And so.... the market shakeout begins....
people look at the CIPA numbers without thinking much.
Marketsharse identifies that there's very little change in the past 2 years for MILC versus DSLR's .. the fortunes of one is tied to the other.
it's difficult to look at pre 2013-14 data with any type of certainly as far as market, because of several factors. since CIPA split MILC/DSLR - more companies have joined MILC's or diverted from DSLR to MILC. SO people fail to take in account Sony - who stopped shelf stuffing DSLT's and went to shelf stuff MILC's, and still linger with a small marketshare that is growing even smaller in relation to Canon and others.
DSLR shipments also seem to be leveling off around the 10 million units per year market, as this year should actually be around the same as last year or even a little higher than last year.
Mirrorless is trending to be less than last year, or around the same as last year.
this should be evident even more so by OM that will ship only 500,000 units this year.
TimAZ: I was going to buy a Canon 7D II for birding and action. Then the NX1 announced with 15fps AFC (firmware updates needed to make it work). I checked every review and YouTube out there on both and was leaning toward the NX1. When I saw the initial alert about discontinuing sales in Germany, I put a hold on the NX1. Now the confirmation is here. Germany is the most high tech, highly educated, affluent society in Eurozone. If the Germans will not buy the NX1, what does that fortell for the U.S. and similar markets? Question for German natives, is there a prohibitive tariff? On periodic special sales (Black Friday etc.) in the U.S., "Body only" sells for $1,199 U.S.D. at B&H. "S" lens family is limited right now, not even close to Canikon. Anecdotaly, at B&H, under "Mirrorless System Cameras", listed by "Best Sellers", the NX1 ranks 59th.
they've pulled out of UK, Australia, and other countries as well - not just Germany.
and look at the facts, they haven't released a lens in well over a year, and a camera body since Feb.
look on dpreview's samsung camera/lens page .. and look at 2015 versus any other year for samsung.
while they may release another camera next year, they are probably just trying to shed lens and accessory inventory and getting out of it what they can.
tinternaut: That shows a remarkable lack of commitment from Samsung. I think it's a sign that the comprehensive size of the Micro Four Thirds System, and Sony's mirrorless full frame, leave Samsung with little room to manoeuvre in this market. It's a pity; the NX1 is a remarkable camera.
no what's telling is that the m43's system is pretty much fleshed out as far as an ecosystem, and Olympus with all it's wizardry and NAME behind it can only sell 500,000 cameras in a year.
Combatmedic870: I think all mirrorless should just stop selling cameras. Just let canon and Nikon continue with there stagnant trend. The market has spoken. Mirrorless cameras are not something the market is interested in.
lol dead on their feet - their installed based continually grows faster and wider from the other ILC camera companies by a large margin.
other companies are tossing spegetti at the wall, hoping something sticks, but when it comes right down to it - the majority of camera purchases prefer to purchase from nikon or canon.
NX1 for birding .. good luck birding with the 50-150/2.8
Paul B Jones: I guess no one should be confident that their camera brand of choice will necessarily be around for the long haul, or even a short haul.
I'd add Fuji to that list.
Daft Punk: The only thing i will say is this.
For those people poking fun at Samsung or generally disrespecting their gear, know this; the NX1 is probably one of the finest cameras ever made. In terms of engineering, feature set, technology and performance it is better on balance than ANY Canon or Nikon ever made in APSC.
In many respects it is better than FF offerings too.
We should pause and think about that. Think about what a shame it is that Samsung may be baling out. And think about how lazy Canon and Nikon have become.
The NX1 is that good. We should not forget that.
yeah that NX is a nice camera.. until you want to shoot with it past 200mm.
concept.. canon and nikon build many a nice camera. Many cameras to suit your budget and your required shooting. they also provide a wide series of flashes, accessories and lenses - to go with those camera bodies.
most people could care less about what you said, because samsung's lenses, while good.. are quite underwelming given the camera body.
a fast sports camera, and not a pro lens over 150mm. how does that work for you?
I don't care how good you think it is, but a 7D2 with a 100-400, or a D7200 with a 200-500 will shoot rings around it.
BillZuhl: Hmmm. Anybody heard anything about that 300mm f/2.8? That was planned originally for spring 2015. They never had a lens road-map, fwiw.
May want to go to CES with a glass cutter if you really want a 300/2.8 :P
newe: I'm betting this camera is at least 2 years away, and by then Canon will have taken over the so-called "pro" niche.
this camera will be out for the olympics this coming year, just like canon will be out with a 1D series body as well.
these cameras usually roll around the olympics.
they haven't released any lenses for 14-15 months. I'd expect that 300/2.8 only if it's being carried by a purple unicorn.