is there a point to doing a 2016 roundup in April?
Aroart: Its Canons own fault for not giving 4k to cameras less than $3000.. Dave Dugdale from learning video.com summed up Canons demise for videographers with one statement.. He said when he was at NAB this year that he did not see anyone shooting with a Canon when 3-4 yrs ago the 5dm3 was the go to Camera... The camera he saw most people using was the Sony a6300...
well actually their Cxxx cameras use difference sensors and entirely different DiGiC's that don't have all photography related elements in them.
maybe you should know some thing before speaking ..
dansclic: DSLR sales are dropping because people do not want anymore to invest much money in heavy, big and noisy cameras and lenses. CAN you explain why Fuji has increased its income and benefit white Canonikon are dropping (nearly 50 % less sales in 4 year time) ?
where exactly is fuji's breakdown on ILC's?
as far as I was aware it was their instax leading the profit charge.
User8444450982: Unlike Nikon or Sony APSC DSLR, Canon continuously refuses to produce affordable prime lenses with F1.8 apertures like the Nikon 35mm F1.8G or Sony 35mm F1.8 SAM for Canon APSCs. Canon nifty-fifty plastic fantastic 50mm F1.8 is very narrow for APSC and the pancake 24mm F2.8 is not an F1.8. For Canon you need to upgrade to full-frame to enjoy all those affordable prime lenses. Oh my!
yes one of them has IS and can be used on both full frame and crop and is a excellent optic.
wb2trf: Wow, Canon is in quite a pickle. The big problem is that, in addition to the chronic decline in cameras, the office copier and printer business is also terrible. Somehow I thought that their other lines of business weren't also strategically challenged.
They should make their own adapter for all Canon lenses to Sony bodies and make the adapter work perfectly.
After the dual sensor phone cams hit in 2017, the whole under $1000 dslr market will be plummeting for a few years, the way the compact market did. Mirrorless, who knows but at least its manufacturing cost structure will be better able to take volume declines.
well canon's going heavy into medical just having purchased Toshiba's medical business unit and have moved significantly into security cameras,etc.
also their lithography unit could show some promise with nanotechnologies.
are they in a pickle because compact cameras and printers are slumping mostly because of the Yen exchange?
Right because there's such a big difference between a 35/2.0 USM IS and a 35 1.8G..
People need to lay off the cough syrup.
Mordi: From the NPD market research firm:
According to The NPD Group, overall mirrorless camera revenue has grown 16.5% over the past 12 months, with DSLR sales declining approximately 15% over the same period. During this time, Sony has experienced a robust 66% boost in their company’s mirrorless camera sales, strengthening their dominant position as the #1 overall mirrorless brand, a position they have held for 4 consecutive years.
“Growth in the mirrorless segment shows this new technology and form factor are resonating with consumers,” said Ben Arnold, executive director, The NPD group. “Going forward, mirrorless will continue to command a greater share of the interchangeable lens camera category.”
You would never know there is a slump in ILC sales on the Sony FF forum. Zeiss, Voigtlander and Samsung are cranking out great new AF and MF lenses for the A7 series, as is Sony. Lots of us ex-Nikon/ex-Canon shooters now shoot Sony - often with Canikon lenses.
actually sony's overall marketshare is less than what it held when it was just SLT's.. I think the last reported marketshare was 11%. and since then they simply stopped mentioning it and started mentioning "value".
this is probably good information for those with Samsung cameras. ifixit may be their mantra going forward.
it's a shame .. the NX-Mini2 looked very very very nice.
and when it was cancelled it was the first indication that all was not well in Samsung land.
(unknown member): "I believe the XC10 is an ideal camera for citizen journalists. Currently there’s a new movement of citizen journalists creating compelling video reports that are seen by a global audience 24/7. Driven by social media and video sharing websites, most of this content is being viewed on mobile devices and laptops where file compression is not as big a factor."
- Social media and video sharing websites don't explicitly demand the use of Tier 1 standards that were shaped having in mind the technical limitations or demands for TV broadcasting.
- Tier 1 standards loose much of their sense when viewed on mobile.
So given it is made for "citizen journalists" why should they overpay for this camera?
Will "citizen journalists" carry a second camera for stills? The quality of the jpgs from this camera is lagging behind many mobile phones.
good points. and you have my apology.
however, for a camera that weighs in at 2lbs soaking wet, versus normal professional video cameras at 6-10lbs, this is very much a small light weight journalist camera.
also .. i have yet to see 12mp jpgs that were not good enough for social media out of ANY camera.
instagram is approximately what.. 4MP?facebook recommended is approximately 2.4MP?Google+ is 4MPTwitter is less than 1MP
so what social media platform could care less about 12mp?
you are reducing your image size down by a factor of 2-3 at least for more social media, thus decreasing noise, increasing contrast and sharpness by default.
my point is that social media is so flooded with images, that no one really looks at them in detail. videos usually get shared more, and seen more.
T3: So many things wrong with this camera. The price, the lack of an EVF, it doesn't even work with Canon's own EVF-DC1 add-on EVF, no RAW, non-removeable variable aperture zoom, a touchscreen UI that you can't touch if you're using the ginormous viewfinder eyepiece, etc. There are plenty of video-centric reviews that trash this camera, for good reason. Sadly, this is a camera that only a diehard Canon lover can love. Canon just isn't the company that it used to be. Well, at least you can use it with your existing Canon lenses. Oh...wait. Nope.
the Panasonic AG-DVX200 looks great .. doesn't it?
oh wait. it's over 6lbs in weight, $4200 USD and is STILL a variable aperture lens .. what the hell happened there?
and btw.. canon USA has this listed under "professional camcorders" the NAME of it Canon XC10 4K Camcorder
they call it a camcorder.
Neodp: I hope the video is fine; because the stills do not cut it. Don't think Canon doesn't know that.
This is great to be tested for video and stills!
Shape/size and cost make this... just weird. YMMV.
okay so look at the Sony PXW-X70... $2000 + 4k upgrade. ($500)Panasonic DVX200 - $4200Sony PXW-Z150 - $3200JVC GY-HM200 - $2000
rrccad: IMO.. it's a novel experiment to see how it ends up being used.
I suspect this was a camera that canon just "threw out there" to see how professionals use it,etc.
what is interesting it that they showed this off or something very similar at the previous canon expo as a futuristic mockup.
4:2:2 at 300mps at h.264 4k codec is quite alot of data to push.
That certainly takes it beyond the "consumer" grade bitrates which usually top out around 100 mbps for internal recording.
What will be intriguing is the next one, and how they take this potential video / stills camera line.
Interesting review, it must have been hard to write that up keeping far more of an open mind than most of the whiners and complainers in the comment section ;)
why ARE people whining anyways.. if canon wants to toss out a video camera that shoots a little more in the stills department, guess what .. they can afford another camera in their portfolio.
deflect much.. none of you have answered the basic question.. what camcorder offers all you guys are whining about for less money - that also includes broadcast level 4K with 4:2:2 color?
Sony PXW-X70... $2000 + 4k upgrade. ($500)Panasonic DVX200 - $4200Sony PXW-Z150 - $3200JVC GY-HM200 - $2000AX100 - $1700
most of them are lower grade color at 4K (4:2:0), and all of them are lower specced bit rate (ie: higher compression) at 4K.
all of them are much heavier and larger than the XC10.
again.. the AX100.. the only + for it is what? the EVF?
MUCH slower bit rate, lower bit depth color, and around the same price.
1700 versus really what .. 2000 or really the same price (because the XC10 includes a card and reader).
so what other camcorder does better with less money?
again, canon lists this as a camcorder.
so what's better?
still waiting for you to show me all these 4k broadcast capable cameras for less than 2K. YOu know .. the ones that offer 200+ Mbps h.264 with 4:2:2 internal recording?
with all the features you mention.
and all rolling in at less than $2,000
oh and also including a cini zoom from 24-240. I forgot that, because even a standard photography zoom from 24-240 is not a cini constant t stop zoom.
your point about the EVF is a good one - and something I'd love to see canon implement on all their cameras.
however what you and others fail to notice is that canon calls this a camcorder.
how many camcorders shoot raw and how many of them have non variable apeture?
let's compare a 4K camcorder just released by sony shall we: the AX100..
- no RAW stills- low bit rate- 4:2:0 color- variable aperture zoom
"Pro that use it for reals? Like guys who are sponsored by Canon? Where as review sites aren't sponsored by Canon.? That kind of difference?"
so basically here you are stating that everyone that talked positively was paid by canon.
and again Yanko.. you state that social media does not need 4K / high bite rate or color grading, then why would they need the equivalent functionality in stills?
could you be more hypocritical? hmm?
also .. do you care at a AV100 sony 4K camcorder that also has stills capability doesn't shoot RAW either?
you're saying that everyone that comments positively is a paid shill?
care to back that up?
jesus_freak: As trendy as it is to trash this camera, the XC10 has some extremely compelling features that are hard to ignore. While FAR from ideal, this camera excels where Sony falters in usability.
Features like the form factor, user interface, Push AF, touch screen, zebras, and peaking make it easier for working pros to actually use. The 4:2:2 codec and C-Log are easier to grade and more flexible than S-Log and V-Log in my opinion.
While Canon are justifiably crucified by DPR readers, the main appeal of most Canon products is usability and reliability, rather than bleeding edge technology.
Sony charges $1700 for the AX100 camcorder that has the same 1" chip and jpeg-only stills capability, but significantly fewer pro features and no S-log. For $2000, the XC10 looks to be a better value, but no one seems to trash Sony over the AX100
not to mention that the XC10 includes a Cfast card and reader which is around 280USD.
actually discussions on EOSHD,etc with respects to the actual camera and real world use.
and also other sites, and people that have actually used it.
or are you saying that everyone that comments on a piece of gear is paid by sony/canon/nikon?
oh please... check your fanboy logic at the door on that one.
and again, what's the smallest, cheapest internally recording 4:2:2 300Mps h.264 video camera out there?
like the CSTV one?
I'm talking the actual discussions by pros that have used it for real. not "reviews".
there is a difference you know.
but I'm curious .. what's the cheapest 200mps+ 4K 4:2:2 video camera out there and how does it stack up against it?