For those of us who shoot a lot of video...We will respectfully disagree about trading better weathersealing for the lack of a swivel screen with touchscreen features. I am 6'3", not terribly agile, and have no urge to constantly shoot from that height, using a magnifier etc., whereas with the swivel screen on my 70D, I can get all kinds of more interesting high and low perspectives with very basic cages, supports, etc. Also, have not seen very many great videos shot in pouring rainsandstorms, or heavy snow, and so I see the extra weathersealing vs. swivelscreen/touchscreen trade-off as a non-starter.. unless maybe if I could shoot low from a dolly, but then I could also likely afford the 1c too!
Alphoid: I'm not sure if the premium Tamron thing will play out. Virtually all of their lenses fail with moderately heavy use, and they don't really honor warranties. That's not the kind of reputation higher-end consumers would go for. Moving up-scale from there would either involve dramatically shifting economics on their low-end craptics, and starting to make things out of materials which don't fail with a bit of use, starting to honor warranties, etc. It would break economics on everything they make, and it would take years for reputation to catch up.
Price leader is where they are, and probably where they should stay. Or a clear split in branding.
Not to mention the lack of weather-sealing and premium in weight!
Peter CS: Not meaning to sound too pessimistic, but...Why bother - already excellent and superb Fujifilm, Samsung, Sony, and m4/3 lenses and cameras are already in abundance! Another lens mount and little apparent innovation. Price of new lenses is out-of-site. If camera and ultra-wide zoom would be weather and dust resistant, that would a positive development for us landscape aficionados! Another thought - hopefully this camera will have a innovative and high dynamic range sensor and super fast and reliable autofocus! Fujifilm mirrorless are already impressive in sensor technology and work very well with existing M lenses with their adapter. Leica is very late to the table of an already crowded field...should have made these cameras long ago, instead of very slightly modified, underperforming (for serious photographers) Panasonic P&S!
I doubt Fuji has much "catching up" to do with lenses and optical quality. Their line-up just keeps getting expanded, their primes are state-of-the-art, and they have good zooms that Leica does not! Quality of results is debatable, although I give the nod to Leica for rugged manufacturing, but I doubt you or I could tell the difference between the final results of the best lenses of either, even at the very magnifications! However, the substantially higher price of the Leica lenses would be most apparent and noticeable difference of the Leica lenses. FYI, I have several Leica M lenses, bought when prices where low years ago, but I would not replace them, but instead would invest my hard-earned money in the Fuji X system instead - I have one camera and one zoom in this system right now and I am very pleased - great results, low weight, much metal, and solid! Lastly, I have an ongoing beef with Leica lenses not being weather-sealed, and many Fuii X lenses being so!
This lens sounds great, but only if it is truly weather-sealed, besides the front element being smudge proof. Hopefully?
peevee1: Too bad you did not test TG-850 also, which is the best for snorkeling (not diving - TG-3/WG-4 GPS are better for that) for 2 reasons:1) it has tilting screen, greatly improving visibility and convenience of holding underwater (and allowing to frame selfies in front of the fish, corals etc)2) It has 21mm-equivalent lens, allowing to get physically closer to avoid little bubbles of air always present in the top layer of water, which tends to ruin clarity of pictures
I too am most interested in the TG-850 for the very same reasons!
This is a significant camera and should have never been left out of this test!!!
See what happens, if you post a blog somewhere about how to circumvent Facebook copyrighted material! You would have a firestorm of legal action rain down on you the size of a huge volcano! This information posted by a "barely 21 year old" basically gave away the formulas for circumventing the copyrights on most digital images. At 21, this obviously intelligent and educated individual,should have thought twice about his actions. He was "of age" to vote, enlist, drink, be tried as an adult, etc. All adults most certainly need to contemplate the scope of their online actions. Professional photographers do not give up their weekends, family time, etc. to photograph graduations for fun! Friends and families of new graduates are always welcome to produce their own photographs, as mine did, documenting this significant event/special day! Thanks to good and cheap, fully automated, digital technology, there is no reason or excuse to resort to such bad behavior...
Rage Joe: And then these stingy *astards offered $2000 for these unique pictures. I would enjoy it dearly if all the people visiting Wal¤Mart would get this information.
"The Walton Family Fortune according to The Forbes 400 Richest People in America
Christy Walton and family US$36.7 billionJim Walton US$34.7 billionAlice Walton US$34.3 billionS. Robson Walton US$34.2 billionAnn Walton Kroenke US$4.7 billionNancy Walton Laurie US$4.0 billion"
Total US$148.6 Billion
"The Walton Family is by far the richest family in the world"
It is also noteworthy to mention, how many Mom and Pop stores were a direct casualty of Walmart's empirical expansion, including photographic equipment shops, portrait studios, and photofinishing retail stores, etc. Further, try going to Walmart and get any kind of coherent explanation on the operation and features of electronics, computers, and photo equipment, compared to a knowledgeably staffed, specialty store...
MikeFairbanks: They endure a lot to prepare for their climbers, so I hope a lot of money is raised for the families.
On a separate note, I don't like what happened to Everest. The climbing routes are covered in discarded oxygen tanks, tattered abandoned tents, human waste that doesn't decompose, and worst of all, over two hundred dead bodies, preserved forever (or until they are removed by avalanche or people).
It's a tragedy that they couldn't go home and it's a tragedy that they are still there. It's also a tragedy for one of the most beautiful pieces of nature in the world. Imagine if Crater Lake had 200 dead floating, preserved, on its surface each day. Not cool.
Maybe someone should also create a relief fund to bring the fallen climbers and the garbage off of Everest, in order to restore and re-create a more pristine, and photographically appealing, environment!
Here is the irony - they are offering only $2000 for ownership, yet are willing to pay hundreds of thousands, if not millions in legal fees to litigate and intimidate? If this is not an all out assault on copyright ownership, then what else could it be? Maybe it is an exercise to see, if absurd amounts of inherited wealth can change/overthrow existing laws, buy false justice, and provide a ticket to our polarized/political Supreme Court, that has a huge pro- corporate agenda? Time will tell...
Since they are all billionaires now, why not buy offer to buy the photographs for a great price and be done with it- while avoiding large legal fees! As someone who has experienced the painful loss of their family images, through water damage, they should consider themselves fortunate that high quality portrait images are still available and still in existence!
Hope it is weather-sealed? Otherwise, the Nikon will be the lens of choice for us landscapers. Nothing in the description says it is though!
I would have gladly paid a little more for a metal mount on the new 10-18mm, and even more for a fixed aperture! After all, an ultra-wide is not a lens that can be kept full-time on a camera, unless all you do is landscapes! However, STM is a welcome addition...
Too much time spent on this "luxury camera" by DP, which is sorely lacking in both technological innovation and resolution. Construction quality is great, but real Leica (M film and Digital) photographers also want weather-sealing, high dynamic range, high resolution, etc., and not just a fancy red Leica dot on an aluminum brick. For the price and prestige, I would expect a weather-sealed, titanium or magnesium brick with a great- read high-traction grip and designated add-on extra battery grip. This Leica T, unfortunately, fails to even create or inspire a "lust to own" factor.
Joris1632: Which is more expensive; a €1000 kit worth €200 in 2 years time or a €2000 kit worth €1750 or more in 2 years time? Ferrari owners don't get rich by being financially incompetent! :-)
Check out the prices of Leica M9's that have recently sold on Ebay - about 50% of original price! Digital cameras do not hold their value as well as Leica film cameras have over the decades! T Lenses, however, may stand a better chance of holding up!. Just an observation....
Question -To all those people that are so sure that Leica lenses will be better than the extremely well-testing Fujis - what proof do you have? This is a whole new and untested lens line! I do have and use both Leica M 28mm and 50mm Summicron, with the superb fuji adapter on my Fujifilm X-E1, and they are not better than the 18-55mm zoom and 21mm Fujifilm when I make extreme enlargements on my Epson Pro 3880 printer at full size!Just because the cost of these lenses is out-of-sight, does not ensure top quality. Further, Leica will have their hands full trying to beat the great and superb Fuji sensor, at/with the very same megapixels! Lastly, I bought my all metal Fujifilm X-E1 new for $400, which now works very well with the latest firmware update. Next purchase the very good Zeiss 12mm...
P.S. Viewfinder is already built in on Fujifilm X-Pro, X-E1 and X-E2 and X-t1!
Not meaning to sound too pessimistic, but...Why bother - already excellent and superb Fujifilm, Samsung, Sony, and m4/3 lenses and cameras are already in abundance! Another lens mount and little apparent innovation. Price of new lenses is out-of-site. If camera and ultra-wide zoom would be weather and dust resistant, that would a positive development for us landscape aficionados! Another thought - hopefully this camera will have a innovative and high dynamic range sensor and super fast and reliable autofocus! Fujifilm mirrorless are already impressive in sensor technology and work very well with existing M lenses with their adapter. Leica is very late to the table of an already crowded field...should have made these cameras long ago, instead of very slightly modified, underperforming (for serious photographers) Panasonic P&S!
Frankly, I do not understand the big deal here...seems like the shots around and of the tower are more interesting than the the footage from the tower itself, IMO!
Interesting series - please come to San Francisco too, where potholes abound... Also, how about filling the potholes after your done as a community service and positive, lasting effort!
Wish it were weather-sealed! First advanced, weather-sealed APC mirrorless that also has a weather-sealed, ultra-wide zoom get my vote in dollars!