illdefined

illdefined

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On Lytro announces Illum light field camera article (347 comments in total)
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Turbguy1: The small effective interocular distance obtainable for stereophotography with this technique limits the apparent depth to very close objects (say a foot from the cam). Once you have objects of interest say 6feet away, the depth efect is quite small.

This is useful for macro stereo photos, but is a hinderance for a lot of other scenes.

Also, there seems to be a softness to these photos, as if they were taken with a pinhole instead of a lens.

This is why this would be an excellent camera for food or product photography.

Curious how LYTRO haven't marketed this highly commercial aspect of it, instead of trying so hard to demonstrate the artsy side.

Their marketing images are highly staged, if they wanted to go artsy, they should've put it in the hands of a street photographer. Now I'm worried it's not fast enough for the street. Thank god for the 60-day return policy...

Direct link | Posted on Apr 25, 2014 at 17:49 UTC
On Lytro announces Illum light field camera article (347 comments in total)
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Artistico: It's nice that you can choose which part of the picture you want to be the least out of focus after shooting. It does make the most of those... two megapixels, or so, of actual detail information.

What would be really cool was if they could develop a camera that actually has a bit of the image in sharp focus that you can choose yourself at the time you take the picture? And perhaps make it a bit bigger? Now, that would be revolutionary!

diametric opposite of revolutionary, you meant utterly conventional. lot of real "visionaries" here...

Direct link | Posted on Apr 25, 2014 at 17:38 UTC
On Lytro announces Illum light field camera article (347 comments in total)
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forpetessake: This camera needs a bigger sensor with at least 20MP resolution, good interchangeable lenses, they need to do a serious work on the body to make it ergonomic and convenient to use, they also need to add a good EVF and tilting LCD and all other conventional features. Oh, by the way, they can drop that light-field silliness and make use of some good Sony sensor. Then people will probably start buying the camera as long as it's priced competitively.

wow. talk about conventional thinking...literally just described every other camera out there. way to think "outside the box"

Direct link | Posted on Apr 25, 2014 at 17:34 UTC
On Lytro announces Illum light field camera article (347 comments in total)
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illdefined: So many close-minded traditionalists here...1% of whom make any prints with their 20+ megapixel Bayer beasts..

Using this camera to make prints on paper is like watching a 3D movie with one eye closed. It completely defeats its intended purpose.

This camera isn't to correct focusing mistakes after-the-fact no, its to make INTERACTIVE STILLS. Yes, intended for the medium you are using right now, the SCREEN, which the vast majority of us look at _way_ more than ink on wood pulp, whether on our desks, the wall, or in our hands.

This camera makes photos you _interact_ with, so even in fine art applications, the output of this camera would be on Touch Screens, not paper. That said, 1080p is only 2mp; the latest commercial displays are 4k, which is just 8mp! That should put some of the worn-out MegaPixel Pride here in check (doubt it).

For those with no imagination, expect every working Product or Food Photographer to get one of these or risk losing business, and thats just for starters.

Quoting myself here, but:

"Have one product site with a handful of beautifully shot flat product images, and one beautifully shot image you can perspective shift around a little and focus on individuals details with your finger.

See which one sells more."

Can you do it the old (and apparently "better") way? Sure, go to town. Your competition will be onto the next client.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 23, 2014 at 22:41 UTC
On Lytro announces Illum light field camera article (347 comments in total)
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ottonis: This Lytro camera represents the consequential evolution of a revolutionary concept that had been presented to the public a few years ago. Not necessarily this particular camera but the concept behind it certainly represents the future of photography. I dare to predict that in 10y from now most cameras will use further refined and improved implementations of this technology.
People who are ridiculing the Lytro camera are the same type of people who ridiculed the emerging digital photography 20y ago. We all know how digital phography has evolved and developed and how it almost entirely replaced film photography.
This is the future. Certainly not in its final form, but the idea represents the future of fotography. Progressive photographers will embrace this (and other= novel technologies and romantic souls will dismiss it - till the Nikon Df mark 8 will be based just on this Lytro concept.

Have one product site with a handful of beautifully shot flat product images, and one beautifully shot image you can perspective shift and focus on every detail with your finger.

See which one sells more.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 23, 2014 at 20:26 UTC
On Lytro announces Illum light field camera article (347 comments in total)
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illdefined: So many close-minded traditionalists here...1% of whom make any prints with their 20+ megapixel Bayer beasts..

Using this camera to make prints on paper is like watching a 3D movie with one eye closed. It completely defeats its intended purpose.

This camera isn't to correct focusing mistakes after-the-fact no, its to make INTERACTIVE STILLS. Yes, intended for the medium you are using right now, the SCREEN, which the vast majority of us look at _way_ more than ink on wood pulp, whether on our desks, the wall, or in our hands.

This camera makes photos you _interact_ with, so even in fine art applications, the output of this camera would be on Touch Screens, not paper. That said, 1080p is only 2mp; the latest commercial displays are 4k, which is just 8mp! That should put some of the worn-out MegaPixel Pride here in check (doubt it).

For those with no imagination, expect every working Product or Food Photographer to get one of these or risk losing business, and thats just for starters.

nerd2,

You're still stuck on resolution needed for print. By all accounts a dying medium.

There was a time photography wasn't accepted in galleries. Then COLOR wasn't, film wasn't, then digital wasn't...you can refuse to see the pattern if you wish, but your competition surely won't.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 23, 2014 at 20:09 UTC
On Lytro announces Illum light field camera article (347 comments in total)
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illdefined: So many close-minded traditionalists here...1% of whom make any prints with their 20+ megapixel Bayer beasts..

Using this camera to make prints on paper is like watching a 3D movie with one eye closed. It completely defeats its intended purpose.

This camera isn't to correct focusing mistakes after-the-fact no, its to make INTERACTIVE STILLS. Yes, intended for the medium you are using right now, the SCREEN, which the vast majority of us look at _way_ more than ink on wood pulp, whether on our desks, the wall, or in our hands.

This camera makes photos you _interact_ with, so even in fine art applications, the output of this camera would be on Touch Screens, not paper. That said, 1080p is only 2mp; the latest commercial displays are 4k, which is just 8mp! That should put some of the worn-out MegaPixel Pride here in check (doubt it).

For those with no imagination, expect every working Product or Food Photographer to get one of these or risk losing business, and thats just for starters.

And again, I'll repeat. For STATIC shots, maybe, but with how many shots, props, post-processing time and software knowledge?

A top-of-the line 15" MacBook Pro's "Retina" resolution is only 5mp, so again, who are you trying to impress with your megapixels?

This is mini-"bullet-time" and rack-focus with ONE camera, ONE shot, that almost anyone can do. If you can't see the value in that, then stick to the elitist prints you're likely not making.

The current generation aren't seeing images in galleries, they're seeing them on touch tablets, phones and computers not paper. It's inevitable that we'll be "touching" our images too, and this is the start of it.

"Already on iPad" huh? Which images and how were they made? Video is a chore to record, edit, post-process and download just to make a product pop, this obviates the need for all that.

For so many "visionary creative experts" making comments, there sure are a lot who've left the lens cap on their CONVENTIONAL vision of the future

Direct link | Posted on Apr 23, 2014 at 17:51 UTC
On Lytro announces Illum light field camera article (347 comments in total)
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barry reid: I love new tech and Lytto is both a nice gimmick and a bit of fun but, given where the world is with panoramas, 3d scanning and image mapping, it is too limted. To be truly useful it needs to be able to produce full 360° panos & orbits which allow end users to manipulate an object and pull focus in full 3D.

Honestly, how often Has anyone looked at an image - web or print - and thought; yeah, I need to use my time messing about with the focus or change the orientation by the fraction of a degree Lytro currently allows?

Take a look at the flat images of the cameras to the right.

Even a couple degrees of motion would make them pop off the screen with dimension and give an instant sense of physicality; a crucial trait for cameras, wouldn't you say? All with one shot and no special display.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 23, 2014 at 08:12 UTC
On Lytro announces Illum light field camera article (347 comments in total)

So many close-minded traditionalists here...1% of whom make any prints with their 20+ megapixel Bayer beasts..

Using this camera to make prints on paper is like watching a 3D movie with one eye closed. It completely defeats its intended purpose.

This camera isn't to correct focusing mistakes after-the-fact no, its to make INTERACTIVE STILLS. Yes, intended for the medium you are using right now, the SCREEN, which the vast majority of us look at _way_ more than ink on wood pulp, whether on our desks, the wall, or in our hands.

This camera makes photos you _interact_ with, so even in fine art applications, the output of this camera would be on Touch Screens, not paper. That said, 1080p is only 2mp; the latest commercial displays are 4k, which is just 8mp! That should put some of the worn-out MegaPixel Pride here in check (doubt it).

For those with no imagination, expect every working Product or Food Photographer to get one of these or risk losing business, and thats just for starters.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 23, 2014 at 06:35 UTC as 27th comment | 12 replies
On Pentax announces K-01 K-mount APS-C mirrorless camera article (874 comments in total)

Pentax/Ricoh need to hurry and release a GXR-K Module to appease all the 'hardcore' on this forum. ideally also with an updated EVF.

An ergonomic wonder "photographer's" camera with small interchangeable legacy lenses AND sensor. Truly innovative with the all-important nod to photo traditionalists.

Direct link | Posted on Feb 2, 2012 at 22:33 UTC as 142nd comment

This is quietly exciting news. only because this and the K-01 mean they are nearing completion of the GXR-K mount.

The actual 'serious' mirrorless K with interchangeable sensors.

Direct link | Posted on Feb 2, 2012 at 21:30 UTC as 9th comment
On Pentax announces K-01 K-mount APS-C mirrorless camera article (874 comments in total)

that said, Pentax should keep the yellow to Japan and release an all black version available to other regions.

Direct link | Posted on Feb 2, 2012 at 21:04 UTC as 152nd comment | 2 replies
On Pentax announces K-01 K-mount APS-C mirrorless camera article (874 comments in total)

GXR-K and all will be well in Pentax land.

the K-01 is just part of the plan.

Smart of Pentax/Ricoh to recognize how only the unique nature of the K-mount and it's Limited Lenses could be considered at all for a mirrorless camera.

Pentax/Ricoh need to hurry and release the K-Mount GXR module for this camera to make sense. The GXR-K will be the true 'serious' mirrorless K, and then with the inevitable price drop, the simplified and welcoming design of the K-01 could flood schools and christmas trees to be the K1000 for the next generation.

Direct link | Posted on Feb 2, 2012 at 21:01 UTC as 153rd comment
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