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Jostian
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a low light shot (no flash) with my Nokia 808PV at 1600 iso, show me another Cameraphone that can get this clarity at 1600 iso, so please Nokia give us a bigger sensor and Xenon, like we have in the 808PV http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51488705
Jostian: If there's no Xenon flash then they are not serious about the imaging prospects of the phone... The N8 and PureView 808 have Xenon and the results speak for themselves, there is no good reason for removing the Xenon flash, especially if touting the imaging capabilities of the phone, No Nokia lost the plot here seriously, they can 'market speak' all the other specs all they want, but an LED is NOT an option for photography in low light, it merely helps with video, but is useless for photography... Nokia, shooting themselves in the foot again and not knowing why its sore!!!
Dear mistyfog, if you READ my initial post I was comparing LED to Xenon, so by replying the way he did menneisyss didnt understand my argument by commenting on the low light abilities of the 920 which I never argued with, my issue is between LED and Xenon as I stated in my original post to which people replied... the low light of the 920 without flash may be ok but it comes nowhere near the low light abilities (without flash) of the 808PV, and by that I'm emphasising the fact that if you dont use a flash then you need a decently fast lens and big sensor (the 808's sensor is about 5 times larger than the 920's and if one uses the 8MP mode the low light IQ is truly amazing, better than most high end P&S's).
Jostian: If there's no Xenon flash then they are not serious about the imaging prospects of the phone... The N8 and PureView 808 have Xenon and the results speak for themselves, there is no good reason for removing the Xenon flash, especially if touting the imaging capabilities of the phone, No Nokia lost the plot here seriously, they can 'market speak' all the other specs all they want, but an LED is NOT an option for photography in low light, it merely helps with video, but is useless for photography... Nokia, shooting themselves in the foot again and not knowing why its sore!!!
Dear menneisyss think you are a bit confused and the only person in the world who thinks a LED flash is better than a Xenon flash... there is no way that the 920 with its LED can take better photos than a Xenon equipped phone, search the web there a many many examples showing the difference in IQ between LED and Xenon.
makofoto: The 920 is already has such a good camera ... and improvement will only make it better. Check out this shot of a friends kid ... click on it to see the full size file: http://images108.fotki.com/v613/fileLW2j/8ecda/4/43793/4909192/JulianJrhighrez.jpg
But without a Xenon flash you'll always be compromised in low light and night situations... great pic by the way.
ZorSy: "We were impressed by the phone's low light capabilities while shooting some samples at Nokia's launch event in London. We managed to get a recognizable image in a set-piece shot where both an iPhone 4S and a Canon 6D with Tamron 24-70/2.8 VC lens had problems.". Hmmm, how do we take this? 6D with a fast lens is easily outperformed by a phone camera? Comparing phones to phones is fine, this comparison is bold (and rather brave) statement IMO...
Hi Lars, if there's no Xenon then they (Nokia) are not serious about low light photography, a faster lens helps a bit but without a decent flash (Xenon) in low light the IQ will always be dodgy!! Cannot believe the same guys that had Xenon on N8 and 808PV have dumped one of the things that gave their phones the edge at night... disappointing indeed, any Cameraphone without a Xenon flash is not to be taken too seriously as an imaging device!
If there's no Xenon flash then they are not serious about the imaging prospects of the phone... The N8 and PureView 808 have Xenon and the results speak for themselves, there is no good reason for removing the Xenon flash, especially if touting the imaging capabilities of the phone, No Nokia lost the plot here seriously, they can 'market speak' all the other specs all they want, but an LED is NOT an option for photography in low light, it merely helps with video, but is useless for photography... Nokia, shooting themselves in the foot again and not knowing why its sore!!!
Wonder why they didn't add in the Nokia 808, which is easily the best cameraphone out there (ok it has a dead OS), it easily matches high end compacts in terms of IQ, but still, would have been interesting to see the differences within this group. Sometimes dpreview miss things like this, its always useful/interesting to compare new cameraphones to the best out there, in this case the Nokia 808, why not include it....
Canon should concentrate on SPEEEEED, EOS M and G1X so slooooww!
plasnu: Another Canon paid article?
huh, 1 canon in the top 6 and its a canon biased article... I think not!
geez, photo IQ, even after update is HORRIBLE, can't believe Nokia cannot get the camera right in the 920 especially after t he brilliant cams in the N8 and Pureview??? The photos have no detail whatsoever!!!
Note 2 is plasticky and squeaky, definitely not solidly built like the Sony devices, as for style... mmm if you believe its stylish good for you, but I think its pretty ordinary looking, nothing funky or cool in terms of design at all.
where's the arm holding the camera?? mmm...
Jostian: detail in the low light shot and portrait shot is excellent and easily betters the SIII and iPhone 5, I'm impressed by the detail it captures, yes 808 is easily the best but from the pics shown in the review and the comparisons the HTC comes in second IMHO.
just dunno why they gave the 808 such a low res screen, even lower res than 3 yr old N8 (which I have in the drawer, great camera)... nokia, always getting things half right!
PAUL TILL: You can have a shutter button if you install a custom ROM, I use the power button on my Galaxy Note, which by the way is a much better phone/camera than the One X.
apologies, Desire not Sensation
Joe Ogiba: I would wait for the new 5" HTC J Butterfly phone with 1080p display or 440dpi. It has 1.5Ghz Quad Core, 2GB RAM, 16GB internal , Micro SD slot, Android 4.1 Jelly Bean and is coming to Verizon soon.
http://www.bgr.com/2012/10/17/htcs-j-butterfly-specs-1080p/
6 hours... mmm definitely not dunno what hTC u r using but my HTC One X gives me 35 to 45 hours of use...
itsastickup: I wouldn't want to go near this unless I knew that HTC had mended its poor battery life ways. My brother deeply regretted getting the HTC Desire for this reason.
yip, I easily get 2 days, obviously hard gaming will nail battery but I watched movie (prometheus which is 2 hrs long and it used 20% battery, typical battery life is 35 to 45 hours.
AnandaSim: Q: Is the oversharpening native to the camera API or just to the native camera app? If I use a different camera app does it bypass the sharpening?
Q: The native camera app has several settings for sharpening. If I push the slider to minimal sharpness does that mean I back off sharpening?
The link to "guide to Android operating system" is broken
Hi, one can just adjust the compression level, so 100% = no compression, unfortunately not RAW, see link for info http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925013
Joe Ogiba: I would wait for the new 5" HTC J Butterfly phone with 1080p display or 440dpi. It has 1.5Ghz Quad Core, 2GB RAM, 16GB internal , Micro SD slot, Android 4.1 Jelly Bean and is coming to Verizon soon.
http://www.bgr.com/2012/10/17/htcs-j-butterfly-specs-1080p/
Only to Japan though, for the moment...
AnandaSim: Q: Is the oversharpening native to the camera API or just to the native camera app? If I use a different camera app does it bypass the sharpening?
Q: The native camera app has several settings for sharpening. If I push the slider to minimal sharpness does that mean I back off sharpening?
The link to "guide to Android operating system" is broken
oversharpening can easily be tuned down by adjusting the sharpening level in the app. best news of all is that there is a superb camera mod for the One X which allows the saving of photos without any compression, pics are just brilliant, see here http://www.flickr.com/photos/jostian/ (the low light blue chairs has great detail even in the poor light, but no oversharpening etc.) photos look great I think.
PAUL TILL: You can have a shutter button if you install a custom ROM, I use the power button on my Galaxy Note, which by the way is a much better phone/camera than the One X.
dropped twice too, no problem, dunno about yr note but I wont need to change the battery after a year, have an old HTC sensation which is 3 yrs old and battery still fine too... enjoy the Note its a great device.