I very much like the new theme!
I am guessing the 'I hate EVFs'/'I hate touchscreens'/'I hate tilt screens'/'I hate mirrorless' folks are all not so fond of it, though.
Mistral75: Specifications and highlights as per the presentation:
- much work on ergonomics with many alternatives tested and much feedback from testers under NDA- Almost as compact as an APS-C mirrorless camera (a greyed Fujifilm is shown)- GUI deriving from that of H6D; combination of buttons to select a function and touchscreen to adjust the corresponding setting- 50 Mpix CMOS sensor. Dynamics 14 EV. ISO100-25,600- Stores RAW (3FR) and/or JPEG- Dual SD compartment- video full HD 25 fps- USB3- XCD lenses have a leaf shutter- Same level of performance as HC/HCD lenses- Body 100% Hasselblad : "completely designed, concepted (sic), produced, manufactured here in Sweden"- Lenses: "concepted by us, designed by us, manufactured in Japan by Nittō"
- there will be a dedicated Billingham bag- meant for professionals and enlightened amateurs- launch events in New York today, in Hong Kong and Shanghai in the next few days
'- there will be a dedicated Billingham bag'
Ah, so *that's* where the wood trim will go!
alfredo_tomato: Oh yes! a Mega 4/3
I should read the old comments before I post, apparently, lol (I made the same comment above).
Rod McD: Interesting. No doubt priced to compete with the 50mpx Pentax 645Z and far lighter. It will appeal to many. Having said that, I don't think I'd personally enjoy the design. The body and lenses are virtually devoid of the dedicated controls that I prefer and the lenses have no scales or markings at all. Buyers will face a limited lens range and no ability to adapt other lenses. Not for me. It'll be interesting to compare it with the much-tipped Fuji if the rumors are borne out later this year.
Yes, seems to be very much in the same vein as the ultra-modern/stylish SL, more about form than function. Probably takes really nice photos, though.
So, a mega-4/3 camera? Nice! ;)
SETI: Don't wanna be rude but taking pictures with MFT camera at f/16 looks strange for me
Uhg, this seriously isn't worth fighting about. At my count, images 3, 24, and 41 are at f/16, with no sunstars to test for. Yes, it does seem that 41 is in a progression.
I now have spent 10X more time looking through this images than I would have if someone hadn't mentioned shooting at f/16, me looking to see if it was true, and Barney implying they were all shot to test sunstars. Which if they were, or if it was only that and the aperture progression, I think no mention would have been made of shooting at an equivalent of f/32.
Yeah, except in half of them, including the ones I saw in a quick look at the gallery, there is no sun. I went back and looked more closely, and I do see some have the sun, and sunstars. Maybe if those were the only ones at f/16, people would have figured it out, but in the overall context it isn't that obvious, I think.
He must have been shooting in P mode or something, I cannot believe anyone would consciously shoot m4/3 at 16. Wow...
(unknown member): Hate the price but this lens will be joining my kit as soon as it arrives. Yes it's huge and expensive, and I own and love the Oly 12mm f2. But at another focal length, 42.5mm, I have both the f1.2 and f1.7. The look of images shot at f1.2 is beautiful, it's my standard lens for nightclub or recording shoots, where there's nothing BUT distracting backgrounds and low light. The f1.7, though, is in my every day bag because it's small, light, and at f2 or f2.8, every bit as sharp as the f1.2. When I got the f1.7, it was to be part of my every day small camera four primes kit, and if I thought the difference wasn't much to the f1.2, I would sell the f1.2. I've not sold it...
Wish that they'd done an f1.2 (or f1.4, I suspect getting to f1.2 would be absurdly heavy and large) at the 35mm equivalent focal length, though. That and 85mm equivalent are my two most frequently used work lenses. 24mm equivalent is a close third, though.
I for one would love it if Panasonic would drop a 17/1.4 PL. Even if it almost certainly would have the aperture ring.
tkbslc: Even if you want to talk equivalence, I still don't see how FF is coming out ahead.
Canon 5D3 with 24mm f2.8 is $3050 and over 1200gPanasonic GH4 with 12mm f1.4 is $2600 and 900g.
Canon 6D with 24mm f2.8 is $2000 and 1050gPanasonic G7 with 12mm f1.4 is $2000 and 750g (Also comes with free kit zoom)
Sony A7II with Batis 25mm f2 is $3100 and 940gPanasonic GX85 with 12mm f1.4 is $2100 and 760g
The more lenses you add to your 'FF' camera, though, the total cost compared with the m4/3 system becomes cheaper. You never get there on size or weight, for sure, and not on other things that are important to me, at least, but for dollars per shooting envelope or absolute acheivable IQ, m4/3 cannot compare with a 35mm system. Of course, it depends on what aspects of a system are most important to you, and how important technical aspects such as noise, resolution, and things like that are to the goals you have for your photographs.
Sadly, every single format and mount system is nothing but a bunch of trade-offs. For me, the ideal would be have the money to have at least two systems, but that is never going to happen.
Jacques Cornell: It's about the size and weight of Panasonic's 12-35/2.8, and let's be real, that is not a particularly large or heavy lens. It's also about the size and weight of Panasonic's 14-140/3.5-5.6, and I carry that easily around my neck on all-day mountain hikes. This will handle comfortably on a smallish MFT body such as the new GX85. You can see a size comparison here: http://j.mp/1UjXSihThe price, though, looks a bit bloated in comparison with Fuji's 16/1.4, which sells for $699.
"sigma art line is the reason I went back to dslr. perfect quality for a decent price"
Now if you could only get accurate and precise focus with them on a dSLR...
StevenE: People question m4/3 format for good reason when we see lenses like this at US$1300.This is equivalent to a FF 24 f/2.8, which can be had for Canon at US$550, less than half the price and it is smaller and lighter. Even more significantly, you can get a FF 24mm f/1.4 from Sigma for US$850, that's a US$450 savings, and there is, and likely never will be, a m4/3 equivalent to that!So, although it has it's uses, micro 4/3 is a compromised format
GB: I mostly agree with you, but other than DOF control and light-gathering, I feel pretty sure the 12/1.4 will be better in every other photographic quality than the Canon 24/2.8.
That said, as others have pointed out, if you don't mind size and weight, the Sigma 24/1.4 at 2/3 the price is probably about as good at the optical qualities, and kills the 12/1.4 on price, DOF control, and light-gathering. All you need is a 35mm body, which these days can be had for not a lot more than the GH4, though of course a body at that level will be poorly-featured compared with the GH4 as you are mostly paying the entry price for the large sensor.
Jacques Cornell: "Using the camera's electronic shutter causes it to drop to 12-bit mode"I think DPR meant to say "10-bit mode", as 12-bit is normal with mechanical shutter, and 10-bit output is seen with some (but not all) Panasonic cameras when e-shutter is used. Also of note, this is a downgrade from the GX7, which retained 12-bit output with e-shutter.
GodSpeaks: I am pretty sure that m4/3 is about the last camera system to still have 12-bit rather than 14-bit available.
Caerolle: "But the difference is negligible, meaning shutter shock is effectively a non-issue on the GX85. This is a serious improvement over the GX8 and G7."
Yes, and you only have to lose a stop of shutter speed and sync speed to do it. Amazing.
Jacques: Sorry, you suck at mindreading.
goshigoo: Perhaps you should focus on your own photography rather than concerning yourself with my needs.
So does eshutter.
And if I can get a camera that does 1/8000 and 1/320, and has EFCS, why should I bother with this one? Considering I care not at all about video, which is probably the biggest selling point of Panasonic.
noflashplease: It's another Panasonic body and I'm not even sure what it's supposed to replace? Perhaps it's time for Panasonic to start reducing the number of overlapping models? The M43 world is increasingly crowded and there just isn't any real innovation.
Mmm, yes, you are right. They both use mechanical shutters limited to 1/500, though, so probably have to start with EFCS because the mechanical shutter is so weak. Sync speed is limited to 1/50, OMG.
Joel, the shutter seems somewhat less than innovative to me. The real innovation would have been if they reduced the shutter shock and kept the shutter and sync speeds up. Or they could have just finally introduced EFCS in a Panasonic camera, which I guess would be an innovation for them. Not so much in general though.
NarrBL: Dan, this just strikes me as a particularly well detailed, well put together, very nicely storied, and entirely useful review, all portions in sensible depth and balance. You really feel you know something about the camera afterwards..
Great job truly. Also i am getting more used to what you go for in your photographic styles (including your personal websites), and quite enjoying many of those also. It's great to see instincts followed and artistry develop.
On these white balance/color balance tendencies of different brands, I wonder if the subtle color capabilities of software like Capture One can't be used to neutralize them. As we are not going to get for example casts preferred by Asian photographers out of many of the offerings, Fuji though also having a right idea with their in-camera 'films'.
Anyway, thanks for what you do, what you add around here, Dan. Life develops....
I agree, extremely well-done review!
mosc: 1) The comparison chart should show the A6000, which the GX85 is clearly marketed (by price and capability) to compete with directly. The A6000 is perhaps old but it is still the market leader.
2) is the A6300 really weather sealed?
3) Panasonic could have made everyone's life easier calling this the GX75 rather than the GX85
I think they call it like five different things, which is even worse.
"But the difference is negligible, meaning shutter shock is effectively a non-issue on the GX85. This is a serious improvement over the GX8 and G7."