On my second set of Sony rx10 ll, rx100iv, a7rll, I don't need a touch screen like on my Samsung g6. What I do need is the fun and great pictures (to me) All the time wasted on trying to bring down Sony is to me nonsense. Pana, Nikon, Canon all great and we should live in the world of buy what you like.
Teardown really! I'm on my second RX10 just got the RX10II. Who cares what the parts cost are! Sony buys in mass, if you had to buy the parts and hire people to put it together that's the only cost you need to worry about.Does a Cadillac really need to cost that much more than a Chevy. But if it performs as you need buy it.You are buying a great lens and a great home for it. After traveling and using the RX10's. I can assure you I have no issues but great pics and videos. Are they going into a magazine or to make me money... no. But the look great in print and on my 65 inch Samsung. Is the Panny better I don't care I know it is also a great tool. If you are going to comment on one buy one then comment.
when you live in the past then that makes sense. stay where you are happy they are great products. if you make sense of your reasoning that's fine but the sony is $3200 the canon eq is $3700. it not about being hip, it's spending the money you earned on what works for you. in light of sony and pana entry into this area we now have more (and in my mind better choices) more choices. sometimes giving into change is hard. problems arise when forums like this forget we are here because we enjoy our cameras. what you base your opinion on is your stuff so enjoy it or did you write this out of frustration about not moving forward like many of us did.
Loved my original love my rx10 2 even more. After trips to Vietnam, Cambodia, Newzealand, Australia and a lot of Europe rx10 have been great. I read about it cost to much the Pana is better. Nothing wrong with the Pana or buying decision but I really write that off as either u don't want to spend the money on it or you are a fan boy. Every shot and every video is a keeper on the Rx10 m4 . On my 65 inch Samsung the videos and pics are spectacular. My rx100 m4 fills in as a backup and less noticeable companion. In my mind I grab it before my a6000 or my a7r it just is a truly fun and never disappointed me.
I think you have panasidiss and the cure is a injection of Sonyserum. Just in fun. One time it was ford vs chev oh ya Plymouth and Dodge won that! Then it was vhs vs beta all knew beta had a better picture. Then Nikon vs Canon as a Nikon person it to me was a tie . Now on to Panna vs sony my Pana friend had to sell his Pana stuff and move to Sony to get what I had. Please note I think Pana stuff is great, thank God for free market so we can have them doing the vs thing. Picture... (pun intended) it as this we all win and can debate and choose and change our minds. God bless it!
After reading this I now want to trade my a7r for the a7rll and skip the 7s want list. The 7r is lighter and great pictures but WOW to the 7rll. I suffer from CAS so the 7rll is therapy... right?
Bren Dyer: Sony seem to be an innovative company that continually bring out new products that dont quite fit the norm. I am a dedicated Nikon user but get a serious hardware hard on when I see the stuff Sony come out with. The A7 series is actually bloody good and I have been tempted on more than one account to jump ship. The biggest question for me is will it work well with my lenses especially the 70-200 2.8...The low light capabilities of these cameras MUST point it in the right direction for at the very least a second camera in a wedding shoot, if not the leading role...
Yes, a very serious hardware hard on!
I made the switch. I loved my Nikon stuff but the video did not match what i needed. I started with an a65 to me it just beat all others videos. I have the a7r, a6000, rx10 and rx100-2. Just ordered the RX10-II. The RX10 is my go to and travel camera. I have not looked back. Not sure about your lens question but shear fun of my Sony's. Low light, video etc I know Canon people doing the same switch. It's a new era maybe not better but different needs! The one I want next is the 7s
Please stop calling the Rx10 an enthusiasts camera. Rent one go on a shoot like a grandsons baseball game or a wedding inside a church with no flash to be used. This camera fits the moment either video or stills. It' the best travel etc. camera I've ever had. And now Sony has made it better. I guess I'm enthusiastic about it!
I love my rx10. I can't wait to upgrade
Most of the thought and comments I read are mostly valid and interesting. But we are not talking about the space shuttle and to break these cameras down beyound their intended purpose and wishing for... makes a brain very tired. My point is the RX10 presents a valid travel camera and so may the Panny Fz1000 I have proved the value of the RX10 to myself. I loved my D7100 but the weight, lens changes and poor video response made it not much fun. The RX10 2.8 works for me and has not let me down yet and is great fun. Sony RX10 may not be a fit to many others but in my case I see it as filling a need as does my NEX6, and A7R with 24-70 Zeiss by the way they all take the same battery and the NEX 6 lenses work well on the A7R. I know all that stuff mentioned below is important but looking at my videos and Pics are what counts to me.
I own a RX10 and took 3500 great pics and lots of video on a trip to Vietnam and Cambodia. (see cambodian children singing "what a wonderful world" on you tube) On a 55 inch TV the pics and videos are exceptional and meet my needs. I can tell you that you can zoom manually and it work great if you learn how to use it. You turn the ring! The F2.8 lens makes it a dream to shoot and the clear image zoom is a plus and really good on 55 inch TV considering the manipulation. Sony has so impressed me with my RX10, NEX6 and Rx100-2 that I traded in my A65 and D7100 on a A7r. I'm glad to see manufactuers competeting that's good for all of us. By the way your right it's might be a teeny sensor (I guess) but it shows up big on a TV and great in prints. Is it perfect? Non are yet! However the truth is Canon and Nikon are losing to Sony, Pana and Oly because of cameras like the RX10 a perfect (to me) travel camera. Too bad you cancelled it you will never get to really judge it.
I'm really trying to figure out this report is it about him or the camera. I own a Nikon D7100, P7700, Sony A65, Nex6, Rx100-2 and Rx10. I am wondering about all my cameras except for the Nex6 and the RX's
I just came back from Vietnam and Cambodia took only my RX's shot 3500 pictures with the RX10 plus vdeos. It seems that it plus my RX100 is all I need the rest is CAS... indeed! They are the best for travel.
Go to youtube Search under Cambodians school children singing "what a wonderful world' for example of RX10.
Sony please put an APS sensor in next gen RX10-2. I know I got off base but to me it just looked like another Canon fan boy report! A least Sony has the flash BALLS to move digital photography and video forward.
I have Pegusus weather vane solid brass...interested in it?
Too bad we don't get it in the US. I would (if) give them the land no property taxes little or no state tax for ten years then a low tax rate (fed is another issue and my solution would apply) buiid it where needs are strong workers sign a work for hire agreement (no unions) and then pay them them a wage based on performance and company profit. Make the workers assets and happy. Nikon could pick up the costs of design etc in other areas this is only an assembly plant. More money in the hands of the people will get any economy going. Stop paying big gov and big unions have a market economy instead.
I can understand the two leading cameras excellant and state of the art. However as we all dream of a pocket camera that can statisfy 80% of the needs of a big camera heavy (I know the Oly is somewhat small) my vote is with my RX100 the fun begins with pocketabilty and great photos. There are no losers to me in the list but we keep trying to pit one system against another, That keeps them all making better equipment and WE enjoy the results. Isn't the free market great!
So now it's about the amount of lenses. Nikon is proud of it's history not in a race with anyone that's all.
Bob Meyer: Why in God's name are you comparing this to the G3? It's natural competitor is the GH2, not the G3, in spite of the fact that they share (probably) the same sensor. The OMD and GH2 are both the top models in their respective lines, they both have lots of external controls (the GH2 ever more than the OMD, it would seem).
It looks like a nice camera, but I have to wonder what's happened to DPR. You guys are looking less and less knowledgeable with every preview and review you publish.
I started with a OM10, then OM2n then to a OM2s plus a OM4ti. I loved them. Then got the auto focus bug went and traded in on Minolta (wrong) Then went to Nikon (great move) Here is where Nikon missed the boat and Olympus did it right. I will keep my Nikon D7000 equipmt. But I will get the OM-D to fill in my Oly stuff my PL2. 14-150 small travel Thanks Olympus!