It seems a good price for both and I will now subscribe as it will be cheaper than an upgrade for both, but I already have CS5 and LR5 to fall back on.
A) 20gb storage in the cloud is not too bad but not advisable to use it to store your files as if you stop paying you cannot access your files.
B) A very big negative is what will be the price after 12 months? They have the ability to ask whatever they like and if you dont pay you loose access to everything.
C) eventually improvements will probably make CS5 or 6 obsolete and one will have to upgrade to stay current.
D) this whole issue has eroded my trust in Adobe as they keep changing their terms. The last promotion of this type excluded owners of any creative suite but included owners of photoshop only. Bizarre logic.
We have millions starving on the planet. There is a huge typhoon hitting the phillipines which will devastate the lives of thousands and we spend millions sending the olympic torch to the space station and back instead of helping these people. What a farce and a shame on us all.
All so greedy corporate intersts can milk the consumer for even more.
I use a D700 and D300. This seems like the ideal upgrade from my D700 so will sell the D300 and add this one, but first wait for a full review and to see if there are any bugs.
Don't like that it is missing a 10 pin connector as I use a gps and remote release that have these connections.
No programmable time lapse exposure.
No flash, I use the internal flash to trigger my other flash units.
Would have preferred around 20mp as 16 is not much of an upgrade from the 12 that I have.
Easy to criticize and hindsight is always 20/20 but overall I really like this camera and the manual controls.
Apple charges $100 for 32Gb for the new Iphone 5s and that is on the high side although I do not know how fast it is. Based on this pricing this card should cost no more than $800.00.
Obviously way overpriced. Why? Because they can!
Gesture: I remember when a 20MB external hard drive was a big deal!
And cost $1000.00. I bought a LaCie one for a 512k Mac at that price and it weighed a couple of kg.
I have just read the FAQ's and only owners of a single photoshop program from CS3 onwards qualify. if you own one of the creative suites you do not qualify!
What a crock. These people seem to go out of their way to antagonize their customers. So I own CS4 creative suite pro and CS5.5 creative suite standard. Plus every version of Lightroom since the beginning total cost of all fo this was almost $3k and if I now decide to only use photoshop and Lightroom I do not qualify.
This is even more annoying and an insult than the original proposal to license everything!
If they make this camera with interchangeable lenses and an adaptor to fit my nikkor F lenses I will be happy as a clam and not buy the Fuji xPro system.
Adobe has an almost monopoly at present but this subscription model is not very comforting should adobe falter. Look at blackberry,Nokia, nortel, Microsoft, Polaroid, Kodak, Motorola, All failed or starting to falter. Adobe is profitable and has high market share thus the only way isDown. Competitors will be already working hard to nibble away at this.
Just look at what has recently come to market from dxo and others If adobe does not get this right they may have problems in the future.
Look at what Japan has done to the car industry. Just wait till china or India decide to seriously go into this business.
As already mentioned here, photoshop ect are mature and it would beDifficult to continue to generate sales through only incremental upgradesSo a subscription model may be the only choice for the moment .
This does not alter the fact that if you don't pay you cannot use the Software at all and thus cannot easily access your images.
If you buy it you are better off.
I will upgrade from cs5 to cs6 before year end and continue to upgrade lightroom. Cs6 is already more than I need and good enough for all of my needs. By upgrading lightroom i will continue to receive updated raw convertors for all new cameras.
Disgusting title. I would never buy this book. A terrible example to young photographers on expressing themselves.
Come on Google and Apple,
You have been handed opportunity on a plate.
If apple comes through with great software their mac sales will skyrocket.
rrr_hhh: I would grant one thing to Adobe :
1) Their software is mature, they don't have a lot to add;2) However they have continual adjustments to achieve in order to keep up with the new new cameras, hardwares and OS issued.This less visible work has to be financed too. Until now Adobe relied on the upgrades to get cash, but with a mature PS, customers are skipping them. A monthly fee takes care of that.
But Adobe blundered the introduction of the new model :1) They ask an unfair price from photographers, dissuading not only the occasional hobbyist, which Adobe didn't target, but also a lot of freelancers whose financial situation is often worse. 2) They are introducing the new system brutally without leaving choice : instead of convincing users that the new model is better by attractive and flexible offerings, they are alienating the consumers who fill trapped and thus rebell. 3) Confidence in Adobe products is shaken : could we loose access to our files if we stop paying the fee ?
You are absolutely correct.
Take google as an excellent example in their handling of the purchase of NIK. Price reduced to $149 from several hundred. Free complete package to all existing registered owners and refund of difference paid if purchased within a specific time period.
Adobe should allow upgrades to CS6 according to their previous policy for everyone below CS5.5, Give free upgrades to CS6 for all registered users of CS5.5 and maintain ACR for CS6 for 10 years. And then they can introduce their CC model and see who wants it.
This would have created obviously some comments but an overall positive response, in my view. As it now stands they have a huge PR disaster on their hands. At DPR there are almost 6,000 responses which is unprecedented, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Their marketing people should be fired, what unbelievable arrogance. They have totally lost my trust and my opinion of this company is extremely negative. Great HBR example of how not to do it.
Google recently bought NIK. They immediately gave everyone was a registered purchaser of a NIK product a free upgrade to the whole suite. In addition they reduced the price from several hundred dollars to $149 for the whole suite and they refunded the price difference to anyone who had paid more within a certain time period.
What a very positive way to do this. Everyone wins and is happy and Google comes out smelling of roses with tons of good will.
Now look at what Adobe has done and there is 99% negativity and animosity towards this company and rightly so. I am a fully paid user of lightroom and CS5 and have been for for many years. I feel totally cheated and abused by these people. Once bitten twice shy.
Here is a proposal, which these greedy people would never think of: Let everyone upgrade to CS 6 if they want to at a reasonable price (free for users of CS5.5) and keep ACR updated for CS 6 for say 10 years. Something like this would have earned stars. as it is they are hated.
Lightroom is the Trojan Horse, beware everyone!!
Adobe has carefully created a dependency on lightroom and also on their other products by using proprietary formats which also include the DNG format as no one else used it.
I do not believe that this was unplanned. Rather it has been a hidden agenda from the very beginning.How deceitful and underhand.
As someone has written, if I fall on hard times and cannot pay the subscription they take away the tools of my livelihood.This does not happen with purchased software even if it is outdated I can still use it.
Here is a proposal, which these greedy people would never think of: Let everyone upgrade to CS 6 if they want to at a reasonable price (free for users of CS5.5) and keep ACR updated for CS 6 for say 10 years.
Paul Gath: I've happily bought Photoshop and Lightroom and upgraded through the years. My most recent upgrade was to CS5. I then joined the CC subscription for a year on their half price special offer, mainly so I could learn the different products, but to be honest my good intentions didn't materialise and I have barely looked at anything other than PS and Lightroom.
Once my subscription runs out I will buy the upgrade to CS6 and then stop. It will be some time yet for other products to meet the niche with such high functionality, but CS6 will see me well for many years to come.
Now compare the Adobe route with that taken recently by Google when the bought the Nik plugin suite. I never thought I would say this about Google, but they have done their customers proud in this particular product, cutting the price and bringing it to many more users. Now if they could only get round to paying some tax in the countries they operate in....
I tried yesterday to purchase the upgrade from CS5.5 to CS6, It is not available, the only option I have been able to find is at full price. Another money grab from Adobe.
Trust is hard won and easily lost in an instant.This is an excellent example of corporate arrogance where they are trying to force a business model on customers who have no choice but to comply. Beware Adobe, the world can change in an Instant and you may be on the wrong side of change.
Customers buy from companies they like and feel good about. The attitudes you are exhibiting are not likeable and I am not happy to be a user of your products under this scenario. This CC thing is certainly not good value to many millions of your customers. Look at the mess Microsoft has got itself into because of corporate arrogance. It has taken some years but the sword may yet fall.
He looks arrogant in his portrait and his answers do not ring true or genuine. They are evasive and obviously there is a significant hidden agenda.
His comment "We don't have plans to make Lightroom a subscription-only option but we do envision added functionality for CC members using Lightroom." is extremely evasive and as we have just seen with Adobe plans can change in an instant. By having added Lightroom functionality for CC users the actual perpetual Lightroom purchasers are getting a hobbled product. Certainly a strategy to encourage migration to high priced CC and dump the rest later.
As to being able to purchase CS6, I have checked the web site and there is no option to upgrade to CS6 from CS5.5. You have to pay full price regardless of the many thousands of dollars investment you have already made in Adobe's products.
What arrogance, this just proves that monopolies are bad. These people all have stock options which they are driving regardless of customer satisfaction.
A significant and major issue in all of this is the loss of trust in Adobe. What if they suddenly move Lightroom to the monthly payment model only and Elements and other remaining software. I am afraid that this high handed autocratic money grabbing approach has totally alienated me and I have lost all trust in Adobe. Their assurances are worth nothing as just a few months ago they announced an upgrade regime where prices varied according to the product one was upgrading from, and now, quite arbitrarily and without notice, they have closed this door.
Once bitten, twice shy. I hope that competitors will quickly see the opportunity and fill these obvious gaps as there are many millions of users who simply cannot afford to, or will not, pay $600 plus tax, plus obvious future price increases per year.
JmaverickPro: When they first announced this tactic I was really upset about it, but since using it I have to say I am honestly very pleased with it. I think it's currently the only win-win situation for everyone.
The only people who should be complaining about this are the boot leggers. The product works offline and allows access too all programs.
Assuming Master collection costs around $2500, at the current rate of $50 a month (I am only paying $29 as an "upgrader"), it would take 4 years to pay out the same thing it would cost to own it. By that time, Adobe would have already released 2 if not 3 more versions that you would again have to purchase.
The way I say it everyone wins. The legitimate owners get a price cut, and Adobe actually gets paid for the product they make.
Do you work for Adobe?Your numbers are flawed. You are paying $29.99 for the first year after which it goes to $49.99. This is much more than the upgrade cost every 2 years. It may be economically advantageous to new purchasers but certainly not for the huge base of existing registered users who have already forked out thousands over the years.
It seems to me that existing users are being royally screwed whilst new users of their suites may have an advantage.